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Originally Posted by mariowinco View Post

Whenever I buy things Apple (and I do that relatively often) I feel that the price is high. Whenever I compare my choices with the people that does not buy Apple things, I feel that I did the right thing.

My call: My 2009 MB Pro will continue to be my main computer, but will probably buy a 13" MB Air ... I was expecting for a 15" MB Air, it seems is not coming ...

How about I shake it around for you: the new MBP is a Super Air. Not quite as thin as the Air, but pretty thin, pretty light and incredibly powerful. I think it's incredibly compact for a quad core.
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A 3 grand laptop in the middle of a worldwide economic crisis - I don't the PC makers are going to be losing too much sleep tonight.

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I guess if you have no concept of economics then $2,199 certainly rounds up to $3,000.

That's a common style of anti-Apple troll, and I never understood that. It's really a strawman: inflate the price by an unexplained (or sometimes outdated) amount and attack that inflated price. The global economy is a concern, and a sad situation, but Apple's been doing fine the past 4 years, so... it's kind of moot. I think they'll sell pretty well. Apple's customers are apparently doing well enough. I love the new MBP
post #82 of 251

A retina display is huge, especially for graphic artists, anyone who does CAD or 3d design, programming, etc... Obviously not all apps will take advantage immediately, hence why it's an option on the pro line... I was looking at a ThinkPad W530 with 1080p screen, now the new MacBook pro is on my radar...  

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 I don't see anyone switching from current MBP to the new non-retina MBP. The updates are only minor. They should introduce hybrid SSDs at least - it would help the performance a lot. I really don't understand how could they keep the prices the same. No significant update in any way, so I would expect the price to fall.

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You got that right, Tally !!  Remember though, just 256GB of storage.

Yeah, exactly my thought. The pricy (I assume) 768GB flash drive is gonna be scaring people. At least the $2799 model features 512GB.

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As for price, every decent pro level laptop, especially once upgraded, will run you 2 to 3 grand....  Anyone who thinks it's only Apple hasn't done their homework...  

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A 3 grand laptop in the middle of a worldwide economic crisis - I don't the PC makers are going to be losing too much sleep tonight.

Well, closer to 2 grand, but I agree with your point.  I'm sure Dell, et all are quite happy with this actually.  It's a gorgeous machine, but I think Apple might be pushing their limits on what folks might pay for their hardware.  I'll be very interested to see the sales figures for the first quarter they're available.  Was hoping they'd keep the ODD as I use mine a ton.  Oh well, I'm still quite happy with my early '11 MBP so I wasn't going to upgrade either way.  Good move on going to the SSD's though - that's a huge performance boost.

post #87 of 251

Final CutX is not a pro app. Apple is getting out of the pro market. That's why there was no Mac Pro update. I really had my hopes up after the rumors last week.

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At first and second glance it's yet again a disappointing trend with Apple's Macbooks:

 

1. Make even thinner than last year's model.

2. Use an ultra resolution panel or a standard TN panel.

3. Charge an exorbitant price.

 

Apply steps to next year's "innovative" models.

 

How about instead of the above we throw the gimmicks out and:

1. Increase venting/thermal paste application to prevent all macbooks from becoming portable heaters(no I don't game on them). Don't believe me about the heat? Okay, then walk into any Apple store and grasp one of the notebooks on display. Toasty? Get used to it, because this is an ongoing issue that hasn't really been addressed last couple of years or today. Near "silent" fans, like what were shown, are doubtfully going to remedy this either.

2. Keep the current resolutions for those without bionic eyeballs, but use quality matte IPS panels like other laptop manufacturers and not mediocre TN's with those applied filter layers. Seriously, if a person really needs more workspace, then output to an external display(or prepare to squint because you can't be bothered plugging in a cable to your laptop's port).  

 

3. Despite my ranting, I don't have any issues with Apple's pricing as long as real world usage improvements are offered outside the pageantry and hype.

 

Looking forward to some detailed reviews about the heat dissipation, hardware, and the screens.   

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A 3 grand laptop in the middle of a worldwide economic crisis - I don't the PC makers are going to be losing too much sleep tonight.

 

You're wrong here.  To professionals, it's a cost of doing business.  To the wealthy, it's pocket change.  To the rest of us, buy a Macbook Air or some AMD Trinity based overgrown netbook.

 

Just because *most* people can't afford something doesn't mean it won't be a highly successful product.

 

"All the action in the American economy was at the top: the richest 1 percent of households earned as much each year as the bottom 60 percent put together; they possessed as much wealth as the bottom 90 percent; and with each passing year, a greater share of the nation’s treasure was flowing through their hands and into their pockets. It was this segment of the population, almost exclusively, that held the key to future growth and future returns."

 

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2011/09/can-the-middle-class-be-saved/8600/

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So is the memory upgradeable as on previous MBPs or soldered in as on Air?
It is kind of hard to see from this:
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Soldered which is a very sad thing.

It also uses a nonstandard SSD (which may not be a problem) but it only has two USB ports. I'd gladly trade one of the TB ports or the HDMI ports for another USB ports. I do wonder if the 2nd TB port and push toward FW and GbE over TB means the next iDevice port connector will be TB compatible.

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post #91 of 251

This is obviously a high end laptop.  Do your students similar bitch about BMWs and Lexus cars not being affordable?

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Either the document or video will be shown at its original size -- which mans the pix/doc has it's original resolution but is 4X too small. (Text is unreadable.)

 

No, I'm sorry, but you don't get it.  Text will be rendered at the usual physical size (i.e. twice the resolution).  Bitmapped graphics will be upscaled if no high resolution version exists.  It's the exact same situation as going from the iPhone 3GS to the iPhone 4.

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I like what I see, that resolution will look frankly amazing, and I see them expanding along the lines in future generations.  I really wanted a new computer last year hence why I picked up my 17" MacBook Pro around about this time last year.  I like my 17" screen, though it's clearly a little big to be portable, like on a train for instance.  I may investigate 15".  

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post #94 of 251
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Lol, no it wasn't. The thinnerst laptop with discrete graphics has been the old MacBook pro. You are just making things up.

Wasn't it the Macbook Air with the Nvidia 320M?

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Since I bought the new iPad, I will only buy products with retina displays from now on. Retina displays have completely ruined any satisfaction I may gain from using a device without one. Looking at the iPad 2s in the Apple Store makes me think "why did people ever buy such a pixelated antiquated piece of technology?" 

 

I have no use to upgrade my 2008 MacBook, however. The iPad has pretty much replaced most of what I do on my MacBook, and I have it hooked up to a 27" Cinema Display anyway, so, until they come out with a retina cinema display, I'm content :)

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Wasn't it the Macbook Air with the Nvidia 320M?

 

Nvidia 320M was considered integrated graphics... integrated with the chipset, not the CPU, but still.  Basically an upgraded version of Nvidia's ION

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Originally Posted by rmm21 View Post

How about instead of the above we throw the gimmicks out and:
1. Increase venting/thermal paste application to prevent all macbooks from becoming portable heaters(no I don't game on them). Don't believe me about the heat? Okay, then walk into any Apple store and grasp one of the notebooks on display. Toasty? Get used to it, because this is an ongoing issue that hasn't really been addressed last couple of years or today. Near "silent" fans, like what were shown, are doubtfully going to remedy this either.

Thermal paste doesn't magically keep a computer cold. It merely helps transfer heat faster if properly applied. Sadly, most notebook computers run pretty hot, that's just how the basic chip is, a certain number of watts power consumed means the same number of watts of heat generated. I would be interested to see how the new model holds up.
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2. Keep the current resolutions for those without bionic eyeballs, but use quality matte IPS panels like other laptop manufacturers and not mediocre TN's with those applied filter layers. Seriously, if a person really needs more workspace, then output to an external display(or prepare to squint because you can't be bothered plugging in a cable to your laptop's port).  

Have you used the new iPad? I suspect you wouldn't be saying that if you have. Take a look at one of the Foxtrot comic strip Pad Packs on a new iPad. Probably the best presentation to be had save for the original drawing.
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3. Despite my ranting, I don't have any issues with Apple's pricing as long as real world usage improvements are offered outside the pageantry and hype.

The Retina display is impressive enough for me. Super thin and light and powerful quad core and increased battery life is great too.
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* GT 650M.  I can't find any benmarks on it.  If someone finds one please link it

 

Specs are here: http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-GT-650M.71887.0.html

post #99 of 251

I love it! The only thing Apple made me mad about is the MagSafe 2 adapter to the computer, they used to have the while one then they changed it and made it better with the metal one that is an L shape and it wasnt an awkward cord on your desk you could hide it, and now they reintroduce it with the MagSafe 2? I didnt own a Mac when that MagSafe was out(White one), but i have family members that have it and i hate it, i will always stick with the L shaped metal one, it is way more convient for me, they need to have both so people can chose from, but other than they i love this computer! I have a 2010 MacBook Pro that is a little over a year old and i will probably upgrade to this and us my old MacBook Pro for my work laptop, my work laptop is barely hanging on, and this is a good excuse to get the latest and greatest!!! I will just BURN A HOLE IN MY POCKET BUYING THIS APPLE, make it like 1699 or so please!!

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Check out prices for iTunes VIPs (iBookstore sellers, etc.)

 

I like those prices :D

 

 

New MacBook Pros
 

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post #101 of 251

Actually I just ordered one (with the 2.7) and 8GB and with my NAPP discount it was under $2900

 

The base is $2200
 

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Holy sheeeesh 3000 bucks a pop for  the new Retina baby!! too much ( it IS 3k with tax,  and yea im talking 512GB SSD like the 200GB is gonna cut it for anyone)

 

 

Damn, looks like i'll need to stick to the current MBP.

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I understand what you're talking about, I think you're making too big of a deal about it. A lot of the App store apps are ready for HiDPI. Without available hardware, there's little reason for developers of big apps to rework their apps, it's a chicken-and-egg problem. But it looks like all of Apple's current first-party software has already been upgraded.

Then just wait until your applications get updated. You're spinning your position like a troll. A 2x multiplication on pixels split into two gets you the same image that you got before. Sure, it won't look like the rest of the computer, but that's at least backwards compatibility while you wait for an app update.

I can't wait until CAD software gets updated to take advantage of HiDPI. Say hello to much smaller quantization errors! The same goes for vector illustrations.
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Holy sheeeesh 3000 bucks a pop for a the new Retina baby!! too much ( it IS 3k with tax,  and yea im talking 512GB SSD like the 200GB is gonna cut it for anyone)


What are all you people LOOKING at?! It's $2,199. No, they don't have $800 in tax.

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More like, "BA HA HA HA HA HA No Ethernet?! Failure!"

 

Of course this thing is going to be $3,000 BASE price… Just watch.

They have TWO Thunderbolt ports and if you NEED ethernet, you can get a Thunderbolt to ethernet adapter.  Wah, wah, wah....  That's not a failure, most laptop users use WiFi anyway.  So your case is kind of moot.  I would rather have TWO Thunderbolts than ONE Thunderbolt and ONE Ethernet (that probably may not even get used).

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They have TWO Thunderbolt ports and if you NEED ethernet, you can get a Thunderbolt to ethernet adapter.  Wah, wah, wah....  That's not a failure, most laptop users use WiFi anyway.  So your case is kind of moot.  I would rather have TWO Thunderbolts than ONE Thunderbolt and ONE Ethernet (that probably may not even get used).

 

I'm really glad they did that. Three would have been better, but baby steps. Eventually no one will be using USB at all.

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post #108 of 251
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What are all you people LOOKING at?! It's $2,199. No, they don't have $800 in tax.

Didnt you read my post?? its $2799 for the 512 Flash drive so 2799 + tax works out to about $3000, basic maths actually.

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This is obviously a high end laptop.  Do your students similar bitch about BMWs and Lexus cars not being affordable?

Of course students bitch about BMWs and Lexus cars not being affordable.  They bitch about anything they can't afford, that's why they are STUDENTS.

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"Like the iPhone and iPad before it, the new Retina display has pixels so small that Apple says your eyes cannot discern them."

 

I've never seen A pixel on any display when viewed from a reasonable distance.

 

200dpi! Do you have any idea how an email sent at 12pt is going to be read. It can't be read! An image in a do it your self website will be the size of a postage stamp! IfSafari tries to blow it up -- it will just be blurry.

 

And ONLY Mac applications will work. Try using an Adobe or Avid editor. Sure you'll get a whole lot more of the editor on the screen. But, every button -- every bit of text -- will be 4 times smaller!

 

Who want's 1080p in a tiny window!

 

All during the presentation I watched the stock fall over $5!

 

 

 

Further proof that Apple is so ahead of the consumer tech game (from what we've seen in this keynote especially) that people STILL don't understand Apple's display technologies. And that's just ONE piece of the Apple ecosystem puzzle. 

 

Apple just dropped a bomb on the entire PC industry - and not just with Retina displays, rendering most current non-Apple notebook offerings into pure junk. You can bet every cpu cycle in your Dell that after this keynote, the competition is running back to their laughable R&D departments in absolute panic. 

 

Get with the program. 

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Apple has gone too far and it will come back and bite them in the ass, no matter what the apologists are saying.

It's not that the pro is pricy, it's that they drop the optical and wont allow a hard drive in there because they want to control storage options to sell the highest margin model possible.

We ve been waiting for years some of us for them to drop the optical and make space for a hard disk, and they get us to pre 2008 storage levels because they won't have a hard drive there because if they do people are not going to pay ridiculously high prices for the 700gb model. Do they really believe pro users these days can get by with 256gbs of ram?

Adding insult to injury the soldered ram means a pro model won't have the benefit of being upgraded in the future. You pay apple's overpriced ram or get stuck with 8gb forever. And for no technological reason whatsoever, no matter what they might say about thinness and soldered ram. And all that with an os what anyone who's used it will tell you shouldn't have anything less than 16gbs of ram for proper pro work.

I have been in the market for a retina mac for a while now, and I ve been saving to buy one, the retina screen being my main incentive. 500gbs of storage and 16gbs of ram to future proof it plus not suffer through the memory leaks rampant in os x will see me having to pay oh about what £3000? And I still won't be getting the amount of storage I had hoped for, a fast 128gb or 256gb ssd for programs and some data and 1tb for the bulk of my files. Now I am supposed to keep my work library, my scientific papers, my photos, movies, music, my audiobooks on storage that is something a White MacBook had circa 2007 (?)...

And all that for a screen that costs them an extra $80.

They have pushed it way too far this time, others will come along with a similar slim design add royally ample hard drive storage, upgradable and reasonably priced ram... They ve dropped the ball big time...
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What most people seem to be missing is that as a retina display it will be used to make normal sized images sharper, not everything four times smaller. As a result, windows manufacturers don't have an easy recourse to copy the display because windows isn't resolution independent.

Yes I can see the HP or Sony copy cat version with this resolution ... it will have to come with a magnifying glass to see the icons.
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Further proof that Apple is so ahead of the consumer tech game (from what we've seen in this keynote especially) that people STILL don't understand Apple's display technologies. And that's just ONE piece of the Apple ecosystem puzzle. 

 

Apple just dropped a bomb on the entire PC industry - and not just with Retina displays, rendering most current non-Apple notebook offerings into pure junk. You can bet every cpu cycle in your Dell that after this keynote, the competition is running back to their laughable R&D departments in absolute panic. 

 

Get with the program. 

lol can you get anymore overdramatic? Yes it looks like a fantastic laptop but I doubt that all the other vendors are going to close up shop just yet.

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Why in the world would they drop the Audio In port on a Pro notebook?

 

You can, of course, use an adapter, but who wants to fiddle around with that...

Did they also drop the digital capabilities of their audio out port? It's not mentioned in tech specs any more.

 

Steve

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Only thru the first page, but looking at teh store, Maxing one of the new Retina MBPs [Processor (the faster i7 has 8MB L3 cache instead of 6MB), RAM, SSD] and you are now loooking at $3749.  Early adopters are certainly going to pay a nice premium for that pimped out system.  I still want one :)  BTW, not all teh apps they pointed out are pro.  They pointed out that Diablo 3 has been upgraded to run at the res of the new MBP.  2880*1800 demon slaughter.  Yes please :)  I mean shit, they called out gamers specifically and they weren't talking about iOS.

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Didnt you read my post?? its $2799 for the 512 Flash drive so 2799 + tax works out to about $3000, basic maths actually.

I bet they have even higher capacity options but as you point out the cost escalates rapidly which is why they probably steered clear of discussing BTO and prices. I wonder how easily the Flash drives can be replaced, it would really nice if the are a simply slot in and out and even better if it could take two ... I doubt both of these things will be true of course.

3rd party SSD will be the cheapest way to go, but the lowest end machine and upgrade it yourself.
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post #117 of 251

Glad to see that Apple finally got with the USB3 program.  

 

Retina display is money.  Literally.  The price difference here puts this on the "maybe later when it comes down in price" list for everyone outside the "lol u new to Apple, we pay whatever the price!" crowd, which I am proudly not a part of.

 

To put things in perspective, the iPad got double ram, double res and double graphics for $0 increase in price.  Meanwhile, the MBP jets into the over priced stratosphere with similar upgrades.  Yea yea, it has an SSD. Big freaking deal, SSD prices have been on steep decline for several months now.

 

Sadly, I'll stay with my $1200 Asus win-brick.  256gb SSD, 32 gigglerams, i7, 1080p display will suit me just fine.  The fact I've already been using it for 6 months is nice too.... with a USB3 docking station.

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As for price, every decent pro level laptop, especially once upgraded, will run you 2 to 3 grand....  Anyone who thinks it's only Apple hasn't done their homework...  

 

I took an $850 Asus laptop, put 32gb of ram in it and a 256gb ssd, I am under $1200.  I am missing retina display (1080p is plenty) and the sexy slim, but for the $1000 in savings I don't care (especially for a machine that is used on a desk 99.9% of the time).

 

New MBP is awesome for sure.  Hyper inflated price tag though.

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Soldered which is a very sad thing.
It also uses a nonstandard SSD (which may not be a problem) but it only has two USB ports. I'd gladly trade one of the TB ports or the HDMI ports for another USB ports. I do wonder if the 2nd TB port and push toward FW and GbE over TB means the next iDevice port connector will be TB compatible.

I see it as a really bad thing if you want to go past 16GB. If this isn't an issue, the current price difference isn't that bad. Is the issue a concern over capacity or the potential for ram failure.

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Further proof that Apple is so ahead of the consumer tech game (from what we've seen in this keynote especially) that people STILL don't understand Apple's display technologies. And that's just ONE piece of the Apple ecosystem puzzle. 

 

Apple just dropped a bomb on the entire PC industry - and not just with Retina displays, rendering most current non-Apple notebook offerings into pure junk. You can bet every cpu cycle in your Dell that after this keynote, the competition is running back to their laughable R&D departments in absolute panic. 

 

Get with the program. 

That is proof that one person doesn't understand tech. 1920x1080 has been common enough on the Windows side for a while, and they do have a different way of dealing with such a thing. With Apple's method of implementation, they have to double things, so the jump to implement such doubling without gigantic ui elements.

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TBH:  The high end non retina 15in macbook pro is the same price as the entry retina with nearly same specs besides the old 5400 hd.   so the pricing isn't that bad and for those who say "256 SSD is so small omg i want my 5400 awesomeness."  get over it buy an external and move on.  for 2199 price tag this thing is nice.  it has alot new features not just the retina display.  the new cooling system is amazing and the build of the laptop itself was enough for me to purchase.   so TY apple for not sticking to the norm and changing everything again with little to any price hike!

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