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Good luck with Winde'rs "Romper Room" 8.

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I find the Apple Mac Pro Performance Specs to be highly misleading.

Instead of comparing the old 12 core performance against the new 12 core performance, they are now actually comparing:

** the old 8 core performance  against the new 12 core performance ... and reporting a 30% gain ....

 

I suspect that a large chunk of that 30% is just the 8 to 12 core difference on their rather biased parallel-rich gravy tests ...

 

But since you could buy a 12 core before, this seems totally contrived. They are reporting nothingness.

 

Come on Apple ... Show us:  12 core before vs 12 core now .... What's the speed difference? Eh?

 

This 'wall' in performance could be the reason Apple is dumping professionals and going after the consumer market

How do you market new hardware with no discernible speed increase of any meaning?.

A lot of software doesn't even take advantage of all the cores - so where does that leave us?

 

With no matte iMac's on the horizon and the 'end of life' Pro gasping for air... how many studio's are going to stay with the platform?

If we are forced to switch - doesn't matter how pretty the laptops are, we aren't going to support 2 platforms.

This runs contrary to the 'halo effect' Apple was courting for a long time - or it was only meant to apply to the consumer market.

 

Not giving 'industry' any clear road-map is a pretty big indication that Apple wants out of the game imho.

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Everyone, check intel website:

http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/chipsets/server-chipsets/server-chipset-c600.html

 

Now all the chipsets which support xeon E5 doesn't support USB 3.0 and TB, even not support pcie 3.0

 

The cxx chipset although support pcie 3.0, but it is for entry level workstations.

 

Apple MAY want to make BIG UPDATE when REAL CHIPSET which support tb, usb 3, and pcie3.0.

 

While that may be what Intel has listed, Supermicro, along with a few other companies, have released PCI-e 3 x16/USB 3 DP Xeon motherboards, for the E5-2600 series, that use the c602 and c606 chipsets:

 

http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/Xeon/C600/X9DA7.cfm

http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/Xeon/C600/X9DR3-F.cfm

http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/Xeon/C600/X9DRi-F.cfm

http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/Xeon/C600/X9DR3-LN4F_.cfm

http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/Xeon/C600/X9DRi-LN4F_.cfm

http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/Xeon/C600/X9DR7-LN4F.cfm

 

Furthermore, the MP Xeon motherboards, for the E5-4600 series, using the c602 chipset provide up to four PCI-e 3 x16 connections:

 

http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/Xeon/C600/X9QR7-TF_.cfm

http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/Xeon/C600/X9QRi-F_.cfm

 

As such, aside from the lack of a newish GPU with Thunderbolt and EFI support, there's no engineering reason, from what I can tell, that would have prevented Apple from debuting a Mac Pro today with some recently-released AMD or NVIDIA GPU and a pair of E5-2640s (12 cores/24 threads @ 2.0/2.5 GHz) through E5-2690s (16 cores/32 threads @ 2.9/3.8 GHz) or even four E54650s (32 cores/64 threads @ 2.7/3.3 GHz).


Edited by docmordin - 6/11/12 at 3:51pm
post #84 of 153

I had $6,000 ready to go towards a great Mac Pro today.

Looks like I'll be buying a refurb 12 core when those hit the Store for cheap.

post #85 of 153

Very interesting. These are different than what we are reading here across the pond. These are fairly large increases even if only in CPU functions. At least we can still get a RAID card through the store.

This will offset some of the Thunderbolt and 3.0 USB non inclusion.

 

Thanks for the info.

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I'm open to other ideas here!!!   What this is telling me though is that Apple couldn't take the time to put any desktop machine on equal footing at WWDC.

Well looking at the link provided above regarding Intel motherboards and the E5 it appears that USB 3 and Thunderbolt are not supported.  So the E5 chip we all wanted couldn't have provided those interfaces.  It seems Apple decided to avoid half measures.  It was full-on everything or just a bump.  That is me guessing.

 

I also think we have an unfortunate circumstance here.  Lou Borella started his Facebook group at precisely the wrong moment (unbeknownst to him) and we got all excited about something that wasn't going to happen thanks to Intel.  It was a perfect storm of bad juju.

 

Now it's like we all got a nasty paper cut and someone rubbed some lemon juice on it.

 

EDIT: Okay so docmordin says there are ways to use USB3 with the E5.  However that is with Supermicro boards.  Doesn't apple us only Intel boards and designs?

post #87 of 153

I looked at Apple's current lineup this morning before the site came down.  here is what the Mac Pros were selling for then:

 

 

Mac Pro
1) 2.8 quad Nehalem 3GB 1TB HD5770 1GB 2499
2) 2.4x2 quad Westmere 6GB 1TB HD5770 1GB 3499
3) 2.66x2 6-core Westmere 6GB 1TB HD5770 1GB 4999
Server) 2.8 quad Nehalem 8GB 1TBx2 5770 1GB 2999

 

 

 

Here is the new lineup:

 

1) 3.2 quad 6GB 1TB HD5770 1GB $2499
2) 2x 2.4 6-core 12GB 1TB HD5770 1GB $3799
Server) 3.2 quad 8GB 1TBx2 HD57770 1GB $2999

 

 

So we have:

1) Faster processor, double RAM, same price.

2/3) Speed of 2, core count of 3, Double RAM, 8 core jumped to 12 core, $300 more expensive than 2, $1200 cheaper than 3

Server) Faster processor, same price

 

E5645 Westmere
W3565 Bloomfield
 

So we got rid of the Nehalem based low end processor and kept processors from the Westmere and Bloomfield lines.

post #88 of 153

This article is wrong, it's the same old Mac Pro with slight bumps and price adjustments, it's not a Sandy Bridge Xeon. 

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This update is a joke. A very, very bad one for sure ! Actually it is a joke not worth telling anyone. It's the kind of joke that makes you, the teller of the joke, look like a total fool. I don't even want to think about this joke. This must be a mistake, a bad dream !

With 100 billion in the bank, there is still some kind of universal law that says; thou shalt not show off in the Pro-market when the margins are lower than on an iPhone ?
post #90 of 153
Nice ! Double the RAM, same price.

Eh... Did you ever notice that RAM from Apple has always been at least double the price of other retailers ?

Cute.
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Sandy Bridge Xeon MP:
$6,200 12-core E5 (21 Cinebench) = $295/unit
Performance per dollar is better with the Sandy Bridge Xeon but not by much, especially if you only go for the Mac Pro. Buy a Retina MBP along with the 12-core Pro, stick the MP on a network in a closet and control it from anywhere in the world.

For essentially the same price, dual E5-2690 (16 cores, 2.9 GHz) systems yield Cinebench score of 24.7. That's $251/unit.

Xeon E5 supports quad channel ECC memory--customers can install 1/3 more memory and still get top performance.

post #92 of 153

Another nail in the 'Pro' coffin. In fact, I can hear a fat lady humming a few bars. 

 

It started with Xserve, then FCP, then the 17" MBP. 

 

As I've said before, Apple needs to split into two companies or divisions. One specializing in consumer products (first order goods), and the other specializing in professional products (higher order goods). The pro users are getting absolutely shafted

post #93 of 153

What this trivial update means is that there will definitely be a Mac Pro with an Ivy Bridge workstation chip when such a processor is released.

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What this trivial update means is that there will definitely be a Mac Pro with an Ivy Bridge workstation chip when such a processor is released.

 

I like your optimism, but by the time that happens, will anyone even care anymore?

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They had the perfect opportunity to drop it off the store along with the 17"MBP. They didn't. Instead they gave it a trivial (or less than trivial) speed bump for those who don't need Thunderbolt and USB 3.0 and whatever else Ivy Bridge will bring. Sandy Bridge still has a problem with Thunderbolt and video:

 

http://arstechnica.com/apple/2012/06/what-should-the-long-awaited-mac-pro-update-look-like/2/

 

"The complicating issue is that Thunderbolt not only carries high-speed PCIe data, but must also carry DisplayPort video as well. On all other Macs, GPUs—whether integrated or discrete—are fixed. This makes it easy to pipe the DisplayPort output to the Thunderbolt port, which serves as both a high-speed interconnect as well as the connection for an external monitor. The Mac Pro, on the other hand, has removable PCIe-based graphics cards. How will Apple get the output of these cards into the Thunderbolt controller? The most likely solution is a Mini DisplayPort passthrough cable. ASUS is using an external DisplayPort cable to add Thunderbolt to its latest motherboard designs, but that seems decidedly "un-Apple-like." There may be a more elegant solution in the works, such as directing the card's output over the PCIe bus directly to the Thunderbolt controller, but according to our sources, no current graphics cards work that way. Given that reality, we think Apple will use an internal cable combined with GPUs featuring an internal mini-DP connector."

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I looked at Apple's current lineup this morning before the site came down.  here is what the Mac Pros were selling for then:

 

 

Mac Pro
1) 2.8 quad Nehalem 3GB 1TB HD5770 1GB 2499
2) 2.4x2 quad Westmere 6GB 1TB HD5770 1GB 3499
3) 2.66x2 6-core Westmere 6GB 1TB HD5770 1GB 4999
Server) 2.8 quad Nehalem 8GB 1TBx2 5770 1GB 2999

 

 

 

Here is the new lineup:

 

1) 3.2 quad 6GB 1TB HD5770 1GB $2499
2) 2x 2.4 6-core 12GB 1TB HD5770 1GB $3799
Server) 3.2 quad 8GB 1TBx2 HD57770 1GB $2999

 

 

So we have:

1) Faster processor, double RAM, same price.

2/3) Speed of 2, core count of 3, Double RAM, 8 core jumped to 12 core, $300 more expensive than 2, $1200 cheaper than 3

Server) Faster processor, same price

 

E5645 Westmere
W3565 Bloomfield
 

So we got rid of the Nehalem based low end processor and kept processors from the Westmere and Bloomfield lines.

So, in lieu of brand new processors and some apparently unavailable technology we are getting a much cheaper path to some fairly high powered stuff.  If Logic can use 12 cores then the $3700 price seems pretty reasonable.  I was among the chorus crying foul when I first saw the specs but knowing that the path to high power comes at a lower cost is as much of a boon as the latest CPU, since i couldn't afford the 12 core before. 

post #97 of 153

Final Cut Pro 10.0.5 update is more impressive:

 

http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/final-cut-pro/id424389933?mt=12&ign-mpt=uo%3D4

 

What's New in Version 10.0.5

This update improves overall stability and is enhanced for the MacBook Pro with Retina display.

Included in versions 10.0.3 and 10.0.4

• Multicam editing with automatic sync and support for mixed formats, mixed frame rates, and up to 64 camera angles
• Broadcast monitoring with third-party PCIe and Thunderbolt I/O devices
• Advanced chroma keying with controls for color sampling and edge quality
• Media relink for manual reconnect of projects and Events to new media
• Ability to import and edit layered Photoshop graphics
• XML 1.1 with support for primary color grades, effect parameters, and audio keyframes

 

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Story is WRONG.

 

This is NOT Xeon E5.... E5645 is still the old Nehalem architecture!

 

E5's are like this: E5-4650

 

All that happened here was a minor speed bump....

 

So disappointed!

Not to mention the Graphics card... :S

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So, in lieu of brand new processors and some apparently unavailable technology we are getting a much cheaper path to some fairly high powered stuff.  If Logic can use 12 cores then the $3700 price seems pretty reasonable.  I was among the chorus crying foul when I first saw the specs but knowing that the path to high power comes at a lower cost is as much of a boon as the latest CPU, since i couldn't afford the 12 core before. 

agree.

 

I also don't use Thunderbolt. who does at this point?

 

graphics cards I always replace, anyway, and it sounds like there are ones out there.

 

at the least, this will be supported by the OS for a while, so perhaps there is a sliver of hope. they could have end-of-lifed it more easily than to have done this.

 

we shall see. at least you can still buy a new Mac that you can slap a Kona or other PCIe card into. that counts for something.

post #100 of 153

I know! ... Can't believe the new Mac Pro has no Thunderbolt or USB 3.0.  Disappointing... Hope it's not too long before the latest connectivity is included.  The wait continues... :(

post #101 of 153

Thunderbolt is the latest rage in high end audio production.  I won't by a new computer without it.  I can get by just fine with a stock graphics card.

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People wanting to use the new Apollo interface are making sure to get TB capable systems.  I think that beefing up the low end a smidge for the same price and bringing the high end way down in price is a good move.  Yes, it isn't the Sandy Bridge Xeons people wanted, but the Mac Pro has been a solid system for awhile.  Ivy Bridge Xeons next fall (and the change to include USB 3 and TB) along w/there being more TB stuff out there by then, will make things interesting.  I'm lusting the new Retina 15", but something tells me I'll skip a laptop next year, let my wife upgrade to a new MBA, take her current MBA for a portable and just buy a TB Display for my desktop. 

 

PS.  Something = my wife :)
 

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Well, I'm going to wait (art least) another generation. This "upgrade" is pitiful.

 

There have been higher power machines in the PC world for years now.

 

Then again, with the huge screwups in Lion and Mountain Lion - sandbox, certificates, multiple monitor support breakage, hidden library... maybe it's time to look elsewhere altogether. Apple is dumbing down in every direction at once. 

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Sandy Bridge Xeon MP:

$6,200 12-core E5 (21 Cinebench) = $295/unit

Performance per dollar is better with the Sandy Bridge Xeon but not by much, especially if you only go for the Mac Pro. Buy a Retina MBP along with the 12-core Pro, stick the MP on a network in a closet and control it from anywhere in the world.
For essentially the same price, dual E5-2690 (16 cores, 2.9 GHz) systems yield Cinebench score of 24.7. That's $251/unit.
Xeon E5 supports quad channel ECC memory--customers can install 1/3 more memory and still get top performance.

The E5-2690 costs $2057 per CPU. The X5675 costs $1440 - that's the most expensive Apple has used. An E5-2690 from Apple would cost at least:

$6200 + $1234 = $7434 (24.7) = $300/unit.

There aren't too many scenarios where the $3799 12-core is going to fall short. If people need render power to match the E5 then buy two of 'em. The price isn't vastly different.

Apple isn't abandoning professionals here, they have designed one of the best professional notebooks in the world. The clearest statement is that high resource users are no longer a priority but that isn't news.

What's the outcome of Apple not updating the Mac Pro properly? A few blog posts here and there. Big deal. The Mac Pro is still there and decent value for money. They bought themselves another year at least. I think they are treating it as a stop-gap. There are some people who won't ever want to let go of the MP form factor and what it offers but given enough time, everyone will. It happens with all technology, film cameras, SCSI HDDs, CRT displays and so on, just give it enough time.
post #105 of 153

Nice try but i am still sad. Very sad.

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My feelings were on a see-saw today.

 

I was happy :) :)  there was going to be a keynote, but then became sad :( :( when there was no Mac Pro announcement.

I became happy again :) :) , thinking there may be a "One more thing...", only to become sad again :( :( when Tim Cook walked off stage.

I grudgingly >:( went to the Apple.com store to at least buy the laptops I had planned on, and I became super excited :D :D when I saw the "NEW" badge.  I was super happy! 

 

Apple had not forsaken us! :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) 

 

Then I began looking at the options. 

Anandtech had a good SKU chart and I compared the specs against the chart to figure out the CPU.  I saw it was a 5645. Huh? That is odd, isn't that from a little ways ago? *Bing search* Quarter 1 2010?!

 

I became terribly sad again. :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :(

 

But then I really thought about it. Yesterday, a six core mac pro with the upgraded video card would have cost you $3,579 (American), today $3,679 will get you 12 cores and a minor speed increase. It doesn't have the thunderbolt or USB I/O like I wanted, but it is a message from Apple. 

 

They aren't going to abandon the Pros. It takes a lot of effort to update a line. They wouldn't spend that money on a product they planned on EOL'ing. 

 

In the end, I bought two quad core laptops, a thunderbolt display, an R6 and I still have 2K left to go towards that Mac Pro Ivy Bridge Xeon refresh I know is coming.

 

Despite the hyperbole and blog rants, I am still happy with Apple.   :)   

post #107 of 153

I'm thinking they'll have a larger update later on this year. I don't believe the next gen of Xeon chips are available yet, but I could be wrong. I've seen Apple do a piddly update before a major one before. 

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You're right, this is an old chip.  According to Intel's Website this chip was launched in Q1 of 2010.  People seem to still like and buy this chip, but it's by no means cutting edge.  I'm also surprised that they didn't update the graphics card.  Particularly since Mountain Lion offers out-of-the-box support for cutting edge graphics cards.

You can still buy "new" server systems from Dell using any DDR3-era processor, so that includes Westmere-EP and Nehalem-EP. Businesses don't buy the latest greatest thing every year, they wait till there is a cost benefit to replacing. The same goes for Apple's Mac Pro when used in server configurations. For most cases the energy use envelope stays the same if they keep picking the same performance characteristics. 300$ vs 4000$ per processor, you decide if it's worth it. In places like the stock market, you must absolutely have the fastest, latest thing, since if you don't, some other guy does, and will beat you to the best trades.

 

But for everyone else, picking renderfarms for example, you don't pick the most expensive part, but rather the part that you can stuff as many of into the data center, which is usually not the 135watt TDP parts, but rather the 95watt parts.

 

Everyone's hopping up and down and pissed off right now because Apple didn't make any changes to the Mac Pro that matter.

 

We'll probably have to wait for Ivy Bridge-EP chipsets first, then we'll see the E5's. Apple could build system now with the current E5, but they'd have to add TB and USB3 using additional chips, exactly the same way USB3 has been added since Sandy Bridge parts became available, but this doesn't enable PCIe 3.0 since that's only in Ivy Bridge parts. Then there's SATA III to consider as well. So once you do the math that's at least 4 features that should be in the next chipset that aren't in the current one. Any Mac Pro's bought with all those features will be usable for 7 years or so. 

 

However Apple needs to refresh the CPU and GPU every year otherwise people will go nuts over it.

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I'm thinking they'll have a larger update later on this year. I don't believe the next gen of Xeon chips are available yet, but I could be wrong. I've seen Apple do a piddly update before a major one before. 

 

They are. Sandy Bridge Xeon E5 came out in March. That's what's next for the Mac Pro. Ivy Bridge Xeons come out late next year, and they incorporate USB 3 on the chipset (don't expect Apple to that before then). 

 

I feel like it is far more embarrassing and a discredit to the product line to have done this "update" than to have just outright discontinued.

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This update is a joke. A very, very bad one for sure ! Actually it is a joke not worth telling anyone. It's the kind of joke that makes you, the teller of the joke, look like a total fool. I don't even want to think about this joke. This must be a mistake, a bad dream !
With 100 billion in the bank, there is still some kind of universal law that says; thou shalt not show off in the Pro-market when the margins are lower than on an iPhone ?

I agree, Apple is now abandoning the desk top market to concentrate on iOS toys and laptops - the revision to the Mac Pro is an insult, the iMac could be so much more, its ignored and way overpriced - don't even get me started on the Mac Mini, a great idea with huge performance promise that Apple ignore.

 

To put it bluntly, from 1997 - 2005 had it not been for the desk top users utilising Apple products the company would have died - the iPod in those days being a nice little earner with iTunes, but not the core of the business.

 

Today Apple is more concerned about share price, its next consumer fad and becoming another Sony - Serious computing, which they did with the G5 models is a thing of the past - obviously, professional users who require workhorses and a stable OS are now in a minority - next all of Adobe will migrate to iOS, it will be like the old Moto days of pushing underpowered devices - looks like Dell or HP are going to shine, you can also run Linux on their kit!!!!

post #111 of 153

It's official.  Apple wants to kill the Mac Pro.

 

What I don't understand is that there are great new Intel workstation-class processors either available or on the horizon, including 8-core processors enabling up to 16 cores in dual-processor configuration.  With the Sandy Bridge microarchitecture (moving the memory controller onto the die) and a greater number of cores, there are significant performance gains to be had over previous models.  Couple that with the latest IO and SATA specifications including Thunderbolt, USB 3 and SATA 3 and there are a lot of people that would be clamouring for such a powerhouse and would be prepared to pay a significant price for the privilege.

Apple should be embarrased by such behaviour.  I mean a 5770/5870 AGAIN!  WTF???

post #112 of 153

My only hope is that this is intended to be a short-term spec bump until Apple can sort out various supply or technical issues and then release the Mac Pro that is meant to be!

post #113 of 153

USB 3 would have been nice.  But maybe this is a baby upgrade and a better more larger upgrade is due next year.  Who knows.

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About a year ago I commented that if Apple puts the effort into developing an all new Macpro then professionals can be assured of the lines future but if an update to the same old is all there is forth-coming then I don't expect to be depending on a commercial domestic platform for professional use any more.

 

Today just confirmed the decision I took last year, while Apple sits on its self asserted "it the fastest mac ever" headliner, PCs with well integrated powerfull GPUs (nVidea 690)  are storming ahead of the editing game (Maingear.com) and win8 is going to punish macOS'es less than pro performance later this season,

 

Ivybridge is to have 6 OS software backed 5gig cores soon and next generation sees 12 and more on a single dye so are twin Zeon cpu also ran machines reaching expensive overkill status  in the future, which leaves MacPro behind by next year.

 

even personal cloud rendering servers are using multiple Arm processing now (HP) and Ivybridge is quite powerful enough for most semipro editing where studio pro editing is done on dedicated machines (Avid.com media composer) and 4Dgraphics (nVidea maximus multi GPUprocessing).

 

Now if Apple really wanted to show willing it would have bought out an all new svelt design Ivybridge nVidea 680 Farrari MacX to the small editing professional workstation market, like what everyone has been shouting for for over a year now, 

but have they been too busy trolling and legally defending styfulling patents this last two years to be really bothered with future inovation conception and commitment to those of us who stood by them through the tough years getting to the top or maybe they just don't need us anymore now.

 

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They are. Sandy Bridge Xeon E5 came out in March. That's what's next for the Mac Pro. Ivy Bridge Xeons come out late next year, and they incorporate USB 3 on the chipset (don't expect Apple to that before then). 

 

I feel like it is far more embarrassing and a discredit to the product line to have done this "update" than to have just outright discontinued.

 

 

That is what I meant...Ivy Bridge Xeon's aren't ready. I'm thinking you'll see a MacPro update when they come out. This opens up all of the capabilities such as Thunderbolt, USB 3, etc on the chipset. 

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I'm thinking you'll see a MacPro update when they come out. This opens up all of the capabilities such as Thunderbolt, USB 3, etc on the chipset. 

 

Thunderbolt won't be natively supported until Haswell.

 

And updated… provided there's anyone LEFT buying Apple products when those chips come out.

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Thunderbolt won't be natively supported until Haswell.

 

And updated… provided there's anyone LEFT buying Apple products when those chips come out.

Theory:  Apple has the luxury of patience these days.  All the iOS profit allows them to lose some market share in the big iron desktop arena because it isn't critical to their survival like it once was.  When the Haswell (and later Skylake) CPUs are available they can release a solid Mac Pro and then build back the client base.  Seems like they don't really have a choice if they are going to insist the next Mac Pro have Thunderbolt native on the CPU.

 

Who knows really? Until someone high up in Apple decides the pro segment of their business should have a clear product roadmap we will forever be guessing.  Considering how small the pro segment now is, what could it hurt to let us know what is coming?

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Many Apple observers also wonder if Apple thinks that desktop computers are dead, since not a word was said about the iMac and Mac Pro. An executive did assure me, however, that new models and new designs are under way, probably for release in 2013.

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Originally Posted by WelshDog View Post

Theory:  Apple has the luxury of patience these days.  All the iOS profit allows them to lose some market share in the big iron desktop arena because it isn't critical to their survival like it once was.

 

No. They don't have that luxury. Money is meaningless when you've permanently lost your developers and pro users.

Originally Posted by Marvin

The only thing more insecure than Android’s OS is its userbase.
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Originally Posted by Marvin

The only thing more insecure than Android’s OS is its userbase.
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In 2007 I needed a new computer and intended to switch from an older XP to OS X. I didn't have any friends who used an Apple computer nor were there any Apple stores in my state. My place to learn about the computers was the internet and the forums dedicated to Apple computers. I wanted a Mini because it suited my needs.

 

For many months all of the Mini forum people were expecting an update. None came. by late 2008 my XP machine had a failure and it needed to be replaced, yet the new Mini wasn't out. I ended up buying a 2008 Mac Book with slightly better specs than the top of the line Mini.

 

My point is that Apple sometimes takes way too long to update things. I wanted a Mini and couldn't get one because there was no way I was going to purchase two year old technology for a premium price (sound familiar). Apple did eventually refresh the Mini that year. Almost everybody complained about what a poor update it was. Then in two years it was redesigned. Maybe Apple will redesign the Mac Pro in two years.

 

Folks there are faster more up to date machines out there. You just have to be willing to leave Apple. Apple is a corporation. It is not your brother or a family member that requires you to stick around. Apple will not feel abandoned if you leave. They won't even know you left. Change in life is hard sometimes but changing computer companies shouldn't be such a big deal. You don't owe loyalty to an entity that isn't alive.

 

Yes Windows sucks but you really aren't using Windows programs for your specialized needs. Windows is just the place your programs operate. Microsoft doesn't make computers. At least that is a consolation. I hate Microsoft for creating Vista. I don't ever want to spend money on one of their products. I'll use Linux with an older version of Windows in a dual boot or in a virtual machine. My new job involves creating videos but nothing on par with movie making. I can get by with Linux and Kden Live. I'm almost positive that my next machine won't be an Apple unless they make a mini-tower or a super powerful Mac Mini in the next year.

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