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Is it my imagination, or is the 17 inch MBP missing from the Apple website?

 

I couldn't find it.  Is it discontinued?

 

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Yes, it's discontinued.

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post #42 of 80
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Is it my imagination, or is the 17 inch MBP missing from the Apple website?

 

I couldn't find it.  Is it discontinued?

 

 

 

17 inch  RIP

post #43 of 80

The RAM isn't user upgradeable, is it?

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Yikes.


I'm a computer technician.  It's really nice that someone who bought a Mac laptop 4 years ago with 1 GB of RAM and Leopard can jack it up to 4 GB of RAM and run Lion acceptably well.  Without that upgrade, no dice.  So you can certainly imagine someone buying a basic configuration today, and in 5 years wanting to take advantage of that vaunted Apple longevity by upgrading the RAM and installing Mac OS 10.11 Pussy Cat.  No longer possible.  Not cool.  And not for nerds only.  What a ridiculous comment.


Now if they would just stop hijacking the battery life.  Lion kept telling me my battery was failing on my 2008 MBP (last one before the unibody) and it wasn't charging, but after reinstalling Snow Leopard, my battery magically fixed itself!

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Well, the hard drive probably is upgradeable, though not easily.  The Airs have upgradeable HD, just not RAM.

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Well, the hard drive probably is upgradeable, though not easily.  The Airs have upgradeable HD, just not RAM.

 

Looks like the retina Pro has an HDD card with a different shape, so it'll be a while before third party replacements are available.

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Do you guys think they will come out with a 13" inch new MacBook pro retina?
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Maybe this has been discussed elsewhere, but is there a Kensington Lock slot or equivalent hidden on there somewhere? I work in an open-plan office and wouldn't trust the security much. Assuming, I spec up a $4,000 laptop, I would like to be able to prevent people casually swiping it. It would be horrible to not be able to upgrade because of this omission.

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Historically, the apple routers are the most worthless apple products you can buy, with the exception of their OLD airport express which you could use as a repeater and audio out from your computer.
Their routers can be used to expand a network, have built in file and print server options, dual-band, and triple-channels, and data throughput that other vendors still can't match for the reliability and cost.

I was a little surprised they didn't go for 802.11ac as they are usually ahead on top of new standards,e specially when they are so well done as 802.11ac, but that and the fact the new AirPort Express is now less travelable are the only real concerns I see.

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They repurposed the DVD eject button as the power button, which I like:
http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/11/apple-next-generation-macbook-pro-with-retina-display-hands-on/
Some might accidentally force shut down their computer but it's a cleaner layout that way.
Not being able to upgrade RAM or SSD after buying isn't too good. If you find the 8GB RAM isn't enough, you have to get a new machine and you won't benefit from SSD prices dropping. It had to come eventually I guess and Apple can make it more reliable this way but if your laptop dies, there's no way to get your data off your machine.
1) When they first added the Eject button they quickly updated those systems so that it requires a more deliberate press than simply slipping when going for the Delete key. I assume that has carried over and then some with it being a Power button.

2) The upgrade to 16GB RAM is only $200. I did notice on their store that if you go for the 16GB RAM it's 3-5 days but if you stick with the basic 8GB RAM it's 5-7 days. I wonder if that's because they anticipated more will go for the up sell or that I simply failed to check it before many of the base units were already purchased.

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For those crowing about the Mac Pro mini-"upgrade", how can you possibly be surprised by this? Apple has for years cultivated a closed marketplace platform called the "App Store". They even have it available for, get this, OS X now. And... check this out... every product that's gotten refreshed this year? Doesn't even come with a DVD drive. Mmm hmm... now you see where things are headed?

Optical disks are more and more becoming redundant. Literally. Given the volume of applications being delivered on line, rather than on optical disk, most people rarely, if ever, need an optical drive for updates or initial installs, and Apple is acknowledging this change.

 

And yet, for all the models you noted, an accessory DVD drive is available. For those who might want one. To share between multiple devices and users, for that matter.

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Do you guys think they will come out with a 13" inch new MacBook pro retina?

 

Absolutely. I imagine they did not only because they are having trouble with its manufacturing. 

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post #52 of 80
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Is it my imagination, or is the 17 inch MBP missing from the Apple website?

 

I couldn't find it.  Is it discontinued?

 

Still there - under refurbished.

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Can't believe they've gone back to a T connector for magsafe. Hope they've figured out how to prevent it from failing.

Yeah, what's up with that? The parallel connector was a good improvement, now they go back. 


I still had the parallel one fail as well. Apple basically needs to step up and add another mm of insulation to these cords and thinness be damned.

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Absolutely. I imagine they did not only because they are having trouble with its manufacturing. 

 

Agreed. It might not be manufacturing difficulties, though. It could be manufacturing volume. I'm sure the 13" machines ship many more units than the 15" models.

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Agreed. It might not be manufacturing difficulties, though. It could be manufacturing volume. I'm sure the 13" machines ship many more units than the 15" models.

 

When the 17" got the unibody design (or, rather, when it didn't and the 13" and 15" were announced with it), Apple (it was Steve himself, right?) outright said that they would have a 17" coming along shortly once they got the kinks worked out.

 

They still updated the old design with new specs, and that lasted for… four (two?) months, so I see the 13" and 15" in the old case as an example of JUST that, nothing more: giving people who feel they need a physical Ethernet/FireWire 400/ODD (ell oh ell) the opportunity to scoop one up while the getting is good.

 

I think that once a 13" newnibody (hey, can we call them that? They're both unibodies and we need to differentiate. I know it sounds stupid; that's why I like it lol.gif) comes out, the two old designs will be dropped and, you know, they might kick the 15" retina down to the prices of the old unibody 15".

 

Watch me be right about that. Apple likes to use early adopters to subsidize the price of later models.

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Agreed. It might not be manufacturing difficulties, though. It could be manufacturing volume. I'm sure the 13" machines ship many more units than the 15" models.
Or an inability to keep it as thin as the 15" while having a large enough battery to maintain the same duration as the current 13" MBP. Or because they want to focus on the 15" for now as they up sell the early adopters. Or because to make it viable they will also need to only offer the special SSD card which could make the cost difference as a percentage too high for right now.

There are lots of possibilities with this new display.

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Maybe this has been discussed elsewhere, but is there a Kensington Lock slot or equivalent hidden on there somewhere? I work in an open-plan office and wouldn't trust the security much. Assuming, I spec up a $4,000 laptop, I would like to be able to prevent people casually swiping it. It would be horrible to not be able to upgrade because of this omission.

Wait for the Thunderbolt/Kensington Lock Slot Adapter dongle. :D

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Pricey.... The second option on 512GB flash similar to the price of first top-line 15" unibody back in 2008. 3k USD

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t's such a shame. Apple is going to proprietary storage drive designs and are going to gouge the living shit out of new and repeat customers. I like the fact that they are going the SSD route, but it really pisses me off that they can't give their customers a reach around and have a standard SSD design that you can upgrade/replace without getting royally fucked over by them. I have a 256gb SSD and a 1tb drive in my 17 inch MBP right now, and the prices they want for even the lower end of what I'd consider useable are astronomical. Hopefully someone like OWC will get their hands on this thing and start shipping upgrades that have semi-sane prices. I'm excited for the new line, but those port numbers are skimpy. I like having 3 usb ports and only one Thunderbolt. It's overkill to have 2 Thunderbolt ports and HDMI. There's no real need for that HDMI port when you can chuck in another USB port in it's place, adapters for MiniDP to HDMI are dirt cheap. Having two Thunderbolt ports is stupidly redundant and there's nothing out there in the consumer market that uses that port and isn't criminally overpriced. I think this design is great, but the port offerings are a huge mistake brought on by the arrogance Apple usually has. Unless Thunderbolt takes of like a rocket in the next 12 months, it'll rot on the vine like FireWire has (in the mom and pop consumer market, not the pro market). Looks like I'll keep this 17 inch for a very long time if they don't drop the bomb and blow everyone away with a super awesome upgrade for it sometime in the next few months. Shame too because this MBP is the best computer I've ever owned. It does everything I need for my daily life in OS X, and every game I like playing runs better than I expected in Windows 7. I enjoy the hell out of this machine, I really hope they haven't killed the 17 inch MBP because I was looking forward to upgrading in the future.

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I like having 3 usb ports and only one Thunderbolt. It's overkill to have 2 Thunderbolt ports and HDMI. There's no real need for that HDMI port when you can chuck in another USB port in it's place

 

Don't agree about the Thunderbolt, do agree about the HDMI. There's zero point to it at all.

 

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Having two Thunderbolt ports is stupidly redundant

 

Nope. Just wait. We'll either see some spectacular stuff for Thunderbolt by the end of next year or Intel will have made their biggest mistake since, what, selling off their ARM license and sticking with Itanium?

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Pricey.... The second option on 512GB flash similar to the price of first top-line 15" unibody back in 2008. 3k USD

Agreed. It's really disappointing that one can't get a 15-inch with 512GB SSD for less than $3K, essentially. Mid $2K would have been reasonable (e.g., the 2.3GHz  with 512).

 

Ugh. I am going to have to go with the 13"/2.0GHz/8GB/512GB.... it's about $750 cheaper (the retina display is of second order importance to most folks, including me).

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Absolutely. I imagine they did not only because they are having trouble with its manufacturing. 

 

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Agreed. It might not be manufacturing difficulties, though. It could be manufacturing volume. I'm sure the 13" machines ship many more units than the 15" models.

 

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Or an inability to keep it as thin as the 15" while having a large enough battery to maintain the same duration as the current 13" MBP. Or because they want to focus on the 15" for now as they up sell the early adopters. Or because to make it viable they will also need to only offer the special SSD card which could make the cost difference as a percentage too high for right now.
There are lots of possibilities with this new display.

Awesome news. I hope you guys are right. I sold my 4 year old Mac Book, 2 months ago just to get a new one but I would like the 13'' model better. I wouldn't even mind if the flash storage is much lower. I am patient and have other computers to use. 

 

On the off chance they take forever and lets say, hypothetically, I'm in urgent need of a laptop. What would you guys recommend, the air or the upgraded mac book pro? Keep in mind the only thing I really care about is the heating problem and I have heard they both still have issues in that department.

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It’s about as expensive here in Europe: € 2,000 even with the educational rebate (sale taxes included, though).

Even if I like the idea of a Nvidia GPU to do OpenCL computing and OpenGL work, I think I’ll wait for the next iteration: Haswell CPU with AVX2/FMA instructions.

I hope they will also bring the price to a more reasonable point. I’m looking forward to 802.11ac, at that.


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()...the new AirPort Express is now less travelable are the only real concerns I see.

1) When they first added the Eject button they quickly updated those systems so that it requires a more deliberate press than simply slipping when going for the Delete key. I assume that has carried over and then some with it being a Power button.
2) The upgrade to 16GB RAM is only $200. I did notice on their store that if you go for the 16GB RAM it's 3-5 days but if you stick with the basic 8GB RAM it's 5-7 days. I wonder if that's because they anticipated more will go for the up sell or that I simply failed to check it before many of the base units were already purchased.


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0. One could simply use the power plug from their current AE.

1. I remember that because the Macs would turn on while the cleaning lady dusted the keyboards off in the office Apple put a timer on that power button. Perhaps this laptop doesn't have that feature as you need to open the lid first. Well, maybe they will as you can indeed accidentally hit it. But with flash storage it shuts down and turns on quickly anyway.

2. Indeed a cheap upgrade. Nothing like the $ 500 for going 512 to 768 (which is called MacBook Air storage in the Dutch Store, but these tiddybits always get corrected over the upcoming days after a 'Store closed' moment)
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Don't agree about the Thunderbolt, do agree about the HDMI. There's zero point to it at all.

There would be no point to it if Apple supports audio out on HDMI adapters. Last I heard they don't. It's annoying to switch the audio cable on my TV setup, which works fine on proper HDMI.

Some of the sites I use for video entertainment still don't work on iOS, so it's an annoyance to patch in the computer to watch them.
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Hmm, looks nice, but a step backwards in some respects. The new magsafe connector for example, what are they thinking? I'm glad they are keeping the current line of MacBook Pros, Retina display on a laptop is a waste. Non-upgradable RAM and HD, no thanks. 

Hilarious.

 

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Looks real nice. I don't need a new laptop at the moment, but when my current one dies, I'll be picking up one of these new macbook pros for sure.

 

Regarding the 17", screw the 17"! I'm glad that they killed it. I've always hated 17" laptops, they're not portable and they're really ugly. They also never sold that many of them, compared to the other models. So, anybody who likes or wants a 17" is in the extreme minority, and you are part of a microscopic market segment that just doesn't matter. So in conclusion, screw the 17". 

 

 

you've obviously never used a high end application...... otherwise you wouldn't make so many uninformed remarks in one post

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I suspect there are two Thunderbolt ports for those poor bastards that still need a wired ethernet connection (unless you can use the adapter to plug it into the back of a Thunderbolt Raid array daisey chain style.
 

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Not being able to upgrade RAM or SSD after buying isn't too good. If you find the 8GB RAM isn't enough, you have to get a new machine and you won't benefit from SSD prices dropping. It had to come eventually I guess and Apple can make it more reliable this way but if your laptop dies, there's no way to get your data off your machine.

There is actually. I saw an external 2.5" case with a Macbook Air flash drive adapter included:

http://blog.macsales.com/12378-owc-announces-two-enclosure-solutions-for-continued-use-of-apple-macbook-air-solid-state-drive-as-an-external-drive


Am I the only one who prefers the old T-style Magsafe ? I find the new L-Style one incredibly fidly and the old one was much easier to attach from a distance - it just snapped into place more easily.

Just ordered a new Retina MBP and really looking forward to it. No RAM upgrade is kind of bad, so i just went for 16Gb, which should be enough for quite a while to come. Im using an old MBP with 2Gb of RAM with Lion, running InDesign, Illustrator and Photoshop with big files at the same time. I wouldnt call it quick, but it works - so i cant see myself needing more in the next 5 years. The current model i have is almost 10 years old and the minimum RAM needed in OS X has not increased dramatically since then.

Now if only i didnt have to wait 2-3 weeks.. :|
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Looks like there's no audio input port. Not great for my podcasting. I guess they make USB dongles, right? Ugh.
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There would be no point to it if Apple supports audio out on HDMI adapters. Last I heard they don't. It's annoying to switch the audio cable on my TV setup, which works fine on proper HDMI.
Some of the sites I use for video entertainment still don't work on iOS, so it's an annoyance to patch in the computer to watch them.

Perhaps I'm reading it wrong but Apple promotes the Moshi Mini-DP to HDMI adapter on their site. It reads:
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he Moshi Mini DisplayPort to HDMI adapter lets you connect to a display or HDTV that uses an HDMI connector. It supports full HD video display at 1080p (1920 by 1080), as well as HDMI audio pass-through. Compatible with Mac computers with Mini DisplayPort or Thunderbolt ports.
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Perhaps I'm reading it wrong but that tells me that audio is fully supported though that adapter. Now there could be an issue with the level of audio channels and such that are beyond my ken but that is for someone else to research.

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Looks like there's no audio input port. Not great for my podcasting. I guess they make USB dongles, right? Ugh.

 



Yes, they do, and they make Bluetooth audio devices as well that can be used for audio input.  I guess it all depends on if you need to keep your old equipment or not what route you take.

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There is actually. I saw an external 2.5" case with a Macbook Air flash drive adapter included:

http://blog.macsales.com/12378-owc-announces-two-enclosure-solutions-for-continued-use-of-apple-macbook-air-solid-state-drive-as-an-external-drive

Some people said the Flash memory was soldered to the motherboard but looking at a higher resolution image, it seems it's still using mSATA. It's a different shape from the MBA drive so it won't fit some MBA enclosures (edit: looks like the OWC one should work though as it's wider) but it's deinitely using an mSATA port and has a screw holding it in place so yeah, there will likely be upgrades from OWC etc and a way to remove the drive to get data off it:

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Linking the addition of the card reader and HDMI but the removal of an Ethernet socket is a few years premature.  My current company uses the current crop of MBPs and they are all connected to the network via Ethernet cables.  Everywhere I've worked mainly use Ethernet not Wi-Fi, because I typically work in an "Office" environment and not in a "Starbucks".

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I'm sorry if I ruin this for everyone else, but I can't unsee the angry face in the new MacBook Pro…

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Nope. Just wait. We'll either see some spectacular stuff for Thunderbolt by the end of next year or Intel will have made their biggest mistake since, what, selling off their ARM license and sticking with Itanium?

 

Again, and I don't understand why you and other keep rigidly support this crap, why should I have a port that I can't use for another 12 months versus one I can use now? Especially one that everyone here was verbally fellating it's usefulness because of daisy-chaining devices together. People need to make up their fucking minds. Either Thunderbolt is great because it can daisy chain versus USB3, or that you need two ports because some mystery device in 18 months is going to make you wish you have two TB ports. You can't have your cake and eat it too. With nothing useful out for Thunderbolt, and by your prediction that anything useful won't be around for another 12 months, having two Thunderbolt ports is stupidly redundant. They need to ditch that useless extra Thunderbolt port and put another USB3 port in there.

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…why should I have a port that I can't use for another 12 months versus one I can use now?

 

Because you can use both now. I'm sorry you don't see the point in more than one port. I'm sure you complain about the Mac Pro and how it has four FireWire 800, too.

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Because you can use both now. I'm sorry you don't see the point in more than one port. I'm sure you complain about the Mac Pro and how it has four FireWire 800, too.

 

Why would I? It can daisy chain, it was designed to be the "one" cable you had to plu in, people around here salivate at how it's so great because it can daisy chain like its dying on the vine cousin FW, and I don't need to use them both and most likely no one else will in significant numbers. What would you use both for? I'm sorry you miss the point that there are far more use cases for another USB 3 port than TB. This is a pro machine, but the non-awesome display machine has the same port number and layout. There's simply less use for an extra TB port versus another USB 3 port. I'm also sorry you're too dense to make a comparable....comparison. The Mac Pro is a huge desktop with plenty of room for 4 FW ports and another dozen or so if Apple wanted to include them. The 15" MacBook Pro does not have that luxury. How is that even remotely relevant again?

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If the port were on the same bus I might agree. Does anyone know if these Thunderbolt ports have separate data busses?
 

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Note the deep blacks and reduced glare, which Apple claims is 75 percent less reflective than glossy displays on current machines.
I don't note the deep blacks nor the less reflective display, but I do note the grays and extreme glare caused by glass display case the computer is in.
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