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This is the first keynote presentation that I wasn't interested in watching. I've been shopping for a new computer. I'm not interested in Facebook integration or super displays. I'm interested in CPUs, RAM, graphics cards, and energy consumption. It seems like Apple is more interested in integrating all of us with everything on the internet whether we want it or not. Tag this and that. Send it out to the world of social web sites.

 

Apple has given up the embodiment of the "Think Different" 1984 advertisement. Now they're more interested in getting us to do everything the Apple way. They want us to integrate our phones with our computers, iPads, the internet, TVs, and even with purchasing products anywhere we can make a purchase with credit cards. Apple tells people they can't purchase apps outside of the Apple environment. They won't let people do what they want with their iDevices otherwise their warranties will be voided. That certainly is the opposite of "Think Different".

 

Apple got us thinking we were special because we were different than the rest, but Apple is now one of the largest corporations on the planet. They got that way by getting us to join in the ranks. So now we number in the tens of millions. I'm sure that the people at Apple think of us as just joining the Apple family, but it doesn't feel like that. It feels very superficial.

 

I'm getting the urge to jump ship. Anybody else feel this way? Tux (Linux) here I come!

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Apple moving to a 2 year cycle in certain products is very discouraging. The IMAC is used by many in corporate as well as non-corporate users. 

We all look to Apple for a state of the art machine. I can make this statement without any hesitation.

Apple delaying and not updating the IMAC each year as it has in the past is a grave mistake. Many of us that use an Imac cannot use a laptop comfortably in our profession. For those that have the liberty of a choice of a Laptop or Imac I'm sure many would prefer the IMAC.

While Apple may feel we are in the 'Post PC era' for them to rush it along will not benefit them.

 

Is Apple losing its shine????  I hope not. i'm willing to wait and see...........................but not forever.

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Yes really.

... no... as melgross said... not really

 

Apple intentionally limits the product range and slows down the product cycle for a number of reasons (read the Steve Jobs book... its states it plainly0

 

- to coincide with seasonal consumer trends

- they only change something when they have something better to replace it - the Mac Pro is great design - what competing product would you suggest is anywhere close to the Mac Pro.... hmm, I thought so....

- to simply tell the story - Apple makes 'insanely great' products not a bunch of crap.

- to make it easier for customers to select the product they need - go figure which Sony product or pre 1997 Apple product you need... it's bewildering

- it effectively and efficiently reinforces brand recognition

 

Many Apple products have remained the same for far longer than competitors products. Apple has one style of keyboard and has had so for years, how many does microsoft have? Why do they need different styles? Why don't they just make one really good one?

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Apple moving to a 2 year cycle in certain products is very discouraging. The IMAC is used by many in corporate as well as non-corporate users. 

We all look to Apple for a state of the art machine. I can make this statement without any hesitation.

Apple delaying and not updating the IMAC each year as it has in the past is a grave mistake. Many of us that use an Imac cannot use a laptop comfortably in our profession. For those that have the liberty of a choice of a Laptop or Imac I'm sure many would prefer the IMAC.

While Apple may feel we are in the 'Post PC era' for them to rush it along will not benefit them.

 

Is Apple losing its shine????  I hope not. i'm willing to wait and see...........................but not forever.

 

I think you're going way over the top here in your criticism.  The fact is an iMac from three generations ago is still a fast, powerful machine even for things like video editing and graphics.  the new ones are faster and it would be great to get a new one every year but to say that it's a "grave mistake" is just silly.  Most people use a computer to browse the web and type a few documents.  Even in business the most use they will get is a large spreadsheet or two.  Even an iMac from the very beginning of the aluminium models (generations ago) is still more than sufficient for that.  

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What makes you guys so sure they are giving you the finger? For all we know they could be lumping these updates with the release of the Apple TV that's coming down the pipelines. It's best to just be patient and see. Are people really clam morning to spend another 8k in just three years time on a desktop? Really?
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I'm just saying everything isn't about profit. If you happen to know about medicine or aviation or a number of other professional disciplines you will see names like 3M, Mobil, etc listed on the devices and accessories because they understand that entire industries depend on them to provide technology that is crucial to civilization.
Your first statement contradicts your second. If there is no civilization then they have nothing to sell to civilization. Believe me when I say that no for-profit corporation is altruistic. There is a self serving agenda in what they do.
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Apple cares only about profit not civilization contrary to their warmhearted video of helping th blind, the disadvantaged and hadicapped and they claim this is why we do what we do. It is all about profit. Nothing more nothing less.
Apple still has the Mac Pro and people are saying Apple doesn't care about the Mac even with today's updates so why are they doing these updates? The answer is clearly for profit which is exactly what they should be doing. The question is why do some people expect them to serve their specific needs with Apple having no commitment to their own needs. It's a myopic viewpoint.

You can look at Apple and see that they have a lot of low to possibly even below profit products and services. We've been hearing that iTunes Store is low profit, which we know is to help sell more HW. We know the Apple TV is no more than low profit (could be below profit) but it's a place holder for a future time when certain things line up. The iPad and iPhone cost Apple a lot of money long before they had any product to sell. If it failed they wouldn't have been bailed out for giving it a best effort try. Then you have WebKit which is the best and most used browser engine in the world but Apple invest money in it and offers it up for free because of how it helps them. They see the big picture. There is no big picture for continuing to still sell, say, an Apple II simply because someone might still want it.

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post #47 of 162
2013! You'd better be f¥€#ing with me. My iMac is playing up and I need to upgrade it and I'm not ever going to buy a PC again.
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Wow, there is a lot of over-reaction to the minimal Mac Pro refresh, and the lack of an iMac refresh. With every quarter that goes by, there is an increasing percentage of laptop vs desktop sales. Apple is simply dedicating their resources to where the profits are, which are iOS devices and Mac laptops. That being said, I don't think desktops are going anywhere, and the lack of a refresh doesn't point to that. The iMac and Mac Pro are relatively stable and mature platforms, as most of the desktop PC industry is as a whole. Intel's roadmap's for desktop CPU's have also been 'slowing down' as of late as well, which could partially explain the longer refresh cycle of the iMac. The other question to ask, is, does Intel have a Xeon capable chipset available that supports Thunderbolt and USB 3.0? If the answer is no, then, that answer helps partially explain why the Mac Pro was just speed-bumped today and not much else. Apple didn't take the plunge on USB 3.0 on their mobile computers until Intel had the integrated chipset available to make it so. Although they are doing a lot of customization in the iOS hardware area, and in the power management of their mobile computers, one thing Apple has not been doing is spending a lot of resources on customizing chipsets for their desktops and laptops. Most are based on reference designs and chipsets from Intel, and I wouldn't expect that to change any time soon.

As mobile computers become faster and more powerful, they are increasingly becoming part of the 'pro' workflow. I think the new MBP with Retina Display is a testament to that. The new model may not be a mainstream bestseller due to pricing, but, it's going to sell will in the pro and pro-sumer markets that need the additional horsepower and features the new model offers. I would expect Mac laptops continue to be refreshed on a yearly basis, since the technology is continuing to improve at a faster rate than in the desktop segment of the market. The iMac and Mac Mini will probably go to a 12-18 month cycle. The Mac Pro may go two years between major technology refreshes, with only speed bumps in between. I think it's more telling that the Mac Pro did not get discontinued today (as the 17" MacBook Pro did), than the minimal refresh to the line. The fact it's still in the product line means Apple is still getting enough sales to justify still running the factories to produce them. Otherwise, they would be in the Apple product graveyard.

My prediction: expect an iMac refresh in the fall, and a Mac Pro refresh in 2013.
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I don't care that much myself about a new pro or iMac because the iMac I have now is still good for a few years of use. For those buying new ones though I hope Apple gets rid of the stupid reflective screen. If I want to see my face I'll use a mirror, and annoying reflections off windows that otherwise are well positioned for natural light are idiotic. A design made to look good in the shop, not in practical use.

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Having fallen in love with all things Apple, I've been waiting 6 months now for my first Apple computer. Not a notebook - why bother when you've got an iPad and need a big screen ?

 

So my sights are set on a beautiful new iMac to replace a supercharged PC (with age comes wisdom ... "it just works" starts to appeal).

 

Why the delay ? Saving the cash, waiting for the new intel processors and now waiting on Apple. Aaaarh the pain.  I agree with previous comments, the design is already superb, just update the insides with :

 

(a) ivy bridge processor - less heat, more speed; what's not to like

(b) Nvidia graphics - more power (nice) and better drivers (on windows) than ATI

(c) a bigger top end hard disk (at least 3Tb please)

 

Fingers crossed for an update soon, but I'm starting to feel that this is going to be a long wait (big sigh - I hate waiting).

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There may be major changes to the desktop lineup next year, but I'm still confident that Apple will update the iMac and Mac mini next month when Mountain Lion ships.

 

The following is based simply on the current lineup and chips that are available. I have no inside information.

 

21.5  Core i5 3330S (2.7GHz), nVidia GeForce GT 640M

21.5  Core i5 3470S (2.9GHz), nVidia GeForce GT 650M - optional Core i7 3770S (3.1GHz)
27 Core i5 3470S (2.9GHz), nVidia GeForce GT 650M
27 Core i5 3570S (3.1GHz), nVidia GeForce GTX 680M - optional Core i7 3770   (3.4GHz)

Mini Core i5 3210M (2.5GHz), Intel 4000 graphics
Mini Core i5 3320M (2.6GHz), nVidia GeForce GT 640M LE - optional Core i7 3520M (2.9GHz)
Mini Core i7 3612QM (2.1GHz), Intel 4000 graphics
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You know what else makes it look like Apple doesn't care about the pro line anymore? The industrial design. The "cheese grater" case has been around how long now? Almost exactly nine years, with the introduction of the PowerMac G5. Apple has never kept any design for any other computer around that long. It's not like it's a great design, either. Bulky, with those curved handles. Ridiculously heavy thanks to the heavy gauge aluminum. And to my eyes, butt ugly. Sure is less elegant than the simple and sleek Quicksilver (but similarly bulky) PowerMac G4. Granted, the internals are very neatly laid out and getting to them is easier than with PC towers. But to be absolutely honest, a very dated design.

Sorry, man, but you have no idea what you're taliking about. That case has won many a design award, and "x years old" is no reason to change a design. That computer still looks decades better than the competition.

Now that said, the internals desperately need updating.
post #53 of 162

I think the problem is performance, graphics performance. An iMac with retina display would need a shed load of graphics processing power to shift the required number of pixels. The new MBP with retina has a resolution not much higher than my existing iMac (2560x1440). 

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If Adobe came out with their own OS and browser designed specifically for Creative Suite and it ran on standard Linux kernel I'd be gone in an instant. As it is today you only have choice between windows and Mac and now they both sort of suck.

Talk about sucking. An Adobe OS would be the most bloated, ugly, counterintuitive and overpriced OS on the planet. And if you want slow release cycles, Adobe's your man.
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Sunk costs. Breathe in, breathe out. I'm on my way back from WWDC. Let me say Nobody there cares about hardware - they just care about the next 99c app that will contribute nothing to scientific progress but make them money. I hope Apple do not drop the imac
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"Our pro customers are so important to us that we will have something for you late next year." Lol, something about that seems self-contradictory...

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If Adobe came out with their own OS and browser designed specifically for Creative Suite and it ran on standard Linux kernel I'd be gone in an instant. As it is today you only have choice between windows and Mac and now they both sort of suck.


Well that made me laugh! lol.gif Adobe can't even integrate their suite to work and look the same across programs, I can't imagine for the life of me that they could ever create an OS!

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I think you're going way over the top here in your criticism.  The fact is an iMac from three generations ago is still a fast, powerful machine even for things like video editing and graphics.  the new ones are faster and it would be great to get a new one every year but to say that it's a "grave mistake" is just silly.  Most people use a computer to browse the web and type a few documents.  Even in business the most use they will get is a large spreadsheet or two.  Even an iMac from the very beginning of the aluminium models (generations ago) is still more than sufficient for that.  


+1 on that statement.

 

Among the many "graphic pros" that I work with daily, a 3-4 year old MacPro works just fine, and the last iMac revision fully loaded is a serious beast(!) I have both, and work and like them equally. Although, the SD drive in the iMac is just amazing fast... so I would have to give the "preferred" crown for daily tasks to the iMac. For cutting up and ingesting film or photos, an 8-core MacPro is still hard to beat... a serious "truck".

 

However, for the average "consumer" type user, I scour Ebay for 2-3 year old 13" or 15" MBPs for a good price, upgrade them myself, and in almost every scenario have a far better computer than what you can purchase currently using Windows 7, unless going top-of-the-line.

 

Regardless of my preference to push OSX if the people are open to it, I do support i5-Win7 boxes as "more computer than you will ever need or use".

 

PS. in regards to the other threads here at AI re: the demise of the 17" MBP and lack of a revised MacPro... I find it interesting that many of the comments always come down to "I'm a pro user and I need "X".

 

I witness so-called "pro-users" every day, not utilizing even a 10th of the computer in front of them, and most of all not knowing how to use simple things like Spaces, Exposé, Cmd-Tab switching, Spotlight... or even the Desktop or Dock "correctly".

 

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Blogger and developer Marco Arment called the update "half-assed," noting that Apple appeared to have sent the message that it "doesn't give a sh*t about the Mac Pro."

Though my initial reaction was in the line of Marco's I've now been thinking about this a little bit. And you know... Generally, Apple doesn't update if they don't have something phenomenal, and fundamental to introduce. It might be small or big, but it has to be something worth telling the world about. I think the Mac Pro team is feeling this tremendous pressure to "reinvent the professional work station". And this year simply isn't the year that they can do it. Thunderbolt 2 isn't here, Retina Cinema Displays aren't here, enough research on touch screen for pros hasn't been done yet etc. They simply just don't have it. So I think this half-assed update is really just a little gesture to say "we hear you, but you'll have to wait just a little longer".

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- they only change something when they have something better to replace it - the Mac Pro is great design - what competing product would you suggest is anywhere close to the Mac Pro.... hmm, I thought so....

It's not the outside of the Mac Pro they need to change it's the inside.

On the entry model both the CPU and the GPU are from 2009.

I'm pretty sure something better came out the last three years.

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Though my initial reaction was in the line of Marco's I've now been thinking about this a little bit. And you know... Generally, Apple doesn't update if they don't have something phenomenal, and fundamental to introduce. It might be small or big, but it has to be something worth telling the world about. I think the Mac Pro team is feeling this tremendous pressure to "reinvent the professional work station". And this year simply isn't the year that they can do it. Thunderbolt 2 isn't here, Retina Cinema Displays aren't here, enough research on touch screen for pros hasn't been done yet etc. They simply just don't have it. So I think this half-assed update is really just a little gesture to say "we hear you, but you'll have to wait just a little longer".

 

They don't need anything phenomenal. It's a stable, mature platform and I think all users want to see it progress steadily, one step at a time. Apparently, cramming a pair of Xeon E5, putting Thunderbolt and SATA-III is so hard for Apple in the 2+ years since the current generation rolled out. If they want to say "We hear you, but please, a little more patience", just say it. That, and an ETA for the new machine would do more than enough. What's the point of upgrading to a phenomenal platform that takes you 5+ years for a meaningful upgrade? I'm not buying the current Mac Pro. The ones in my studio are at the tipping point—neither fast nor slow for their workload. But I'm having serious consideration about going back to Windows PC now.... if only Windows 8 doesn't suck so badly.

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Well that made me laugh! lol.gif Adobe can't even integrate their suite to work and look the same across programs, I can't imagine for the life of me that they could ever create an OS!

The dumbing down of Apple products ultimately leads away from where I want to go. Adobe specializes in products for creative professionals so I feel a lot more secure with their focus than I do with Apple's. Apple wants to sell products that specifically appeal to the non-professional which is fine and I understand that there a billions more of those people then there are creative professionals, I just don't happen to fall into that category. 

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Bet new iMacs and minis come out with the release of mountain lion. Same form factor and iMac monitors.

 

Sounds plausible. 

 

Regarding the Mac Pro (I own the 2009 version), I'm personally kind of glad to be spared the decision of whether to upgrade. But I think it was a mistake not to boost the current model up to contemporary Xeons, GPUs, and add thunderbolt. It seems like that would not have been too hard and would have satisfied a lot of people's needs. 

 

I don't agree that Apple is "abandoning" pro users, but I think Apple is badly mishandling pro users. It's kind of weird. 

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I suspect the reason for the delay is that to give the 27" iMac a 'retina' display would require screen resolutions which simply don't exist yet outside of the ultra high end.  It's a shame, as I may well have bought one had they been available.

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Don't see anything wrong with the current design. It's Bahaus-inspired, minimalist style, but I rest my case here... Aesthetics is a matter of personal taste.

 

I absolutely love the internal layout of the Mac Pro though, everything is just so easy to get to, and not a single cable to be easily seen. It reminds me of Steve Jobs "art is also the unseen part" motto. If anything, he would have loved this design so much.

I don't see what's wrong with the current design either.  It actually keeps the computer cool, which is more than you can say for any other device that runs OS X.  

 

Style is nice, but not burning out the components is even nicer.

 

Apple had better hope that Android never gets it's shit together...

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The dumbing down of Apple products ultimately leads away from where I want to go. Adobe specializes in products for creative professionals so I feel a lot more secure with their focus than I do with Apple's. Apple wants to sell products that specifically appeal to the non-professional which is fine and I understand that there a billions more of those people then there are creative professionals, I just don't happen to fall into that category. 

I remember a time when the computer industry amazed people by allowing them to do things they could only dream of before.  Apparently, people now dream of asking their phone if it's raining so they don't have to look out the window.

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I think what happened was they were seriously considering killing off the Mac Pro and they dripped the rumor out there to see the reaction last year.  They got caught with their pants down and are now scrambling to come up with something.  It is gonna be too little too late for some folks like me who are pushing the limits of our early 2008 Mac Pros which have zero GPU options over the 2009+ models not to mention that SSD and Ram only take us so far.  Truly disappointing.  And I disagree with those making excuses for Apple blaming Intel or saying it takes time.  A company that large has the resources and early access to prototype something in a few days, show it off to the world and say "when the chips are ready these ship this summer".  They don't even need to demo it just use the same case design and give a groundbreaking updated spec!

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I'm just saying everything isn't about profit. If you happen to know about medicine or aviation or a number of other professional disciplines you will see names like 3M, Mobil, etc listed on the devices and accessories because they understand that entire industries depend on them to provide technology that is crucial to civilization. Apple cares only about profit not civilization contrary to their warmhearted video of helping th blind, the disadvantaged and hadicapped and they claim this is why we do what we do. It is all about profit. Nothing more nothing less.

I respect 3M, but you lost me after that!... (BTW, 3M products are expensive, and they get the job done without question....)
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post #69 of 162
The present case design does the job. Why change for the sake of change? Besides, as Apple slowly leaves the computer business, there is no need for them to invest in something they really are no longer interested in supporting.
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To be perfectly honest, anyone buying a iMac today is being ripped off by Apple PERIOD.

Since the May 2011 iMac appeared, the cost of its components have dropped substantially, particularly the CPU, RAM, GPU and LCD panel - given the Apple premium is already 30% on all their  desktops at launch, that means today anyone one purchasing the iMac is giving 50% of the price to Apple directly in profit.

The company has no excuses, its a blatant rip-off and the fools purchasing 18 month old technology don't have much of a clue - they are but shinny toys to go with their iOS toys.

All desktop users are asking for - that's those of us who making both a living and enjoy leisure time on their Mac's - is a slight revision of the existing product and not a new Steve Ive inspired re-design.

Surely, it is not too difficult to make the leap to Ivy Bridge and a new GPU - perhaps with additional RAM and larger HDD in top end model.

Judging by the Mac Pro revision, it appears Apple are giving us the finger - God I wish I'd not sold by iMac BTO 27in i7 now, I'm still using the other one I own, but without a refresh, I'm tempted to do a Hackintosh and utilise latest top end Sandy Bridge i7K's - with the money I save, I can then easily afford a Dell 27in monitor or Apple TB LCD - Aesthetics are one thing, exploitation is another, and Apple are now exploiting the Sheople and becoming more and more a business focused on the elite, rather than your average consumer. 

Then don't buy one.
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If Apple doesn't announce new iMacs, MacPros, etc. or other desktops there are probably some key components that aren't ready to ship yet.  IF that's the case then it is probably going to be worth the wait for those, especially if it is related to things other than the processors.

 

Just a guess.  It might be video related and some of it might be something else that they are keeping quiet on.

 

One thing about Apple and desktops.  Desktops aren't selling as well as laptops and if they have to wait another 6 or so months for various technologies other than the processors, it's probably the only thing they can do since designing two different mother boards doesn't make sense from a logistic standpoint.  Why introduce one new motherboard design and then another one 6 or 7 months from now that will be a drastic change.

 

That's the only thing I can think of.

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I'm just saying everything isn't about profit. If you happen to know about medicine or aviation or a number of other professional disciplines you will see names like 3M, Mobil, etc listed on the devices and accessories because they understand that entire industries depend on them to provide technology that is crucial to civilization. Apple cares only about profit not civilization contrary to their warmhearted video of helping th blind, the disadvantaged and hadicapped and they claim this is why we do what we do. It is all about profit. Nothing more nothing less.

I'm not seeing where any major corporation really cares about helping civilization out of any sense of altruism. Medicine and aviation are just industries to big business. Unless you can point where they provide those products and services at cost to a significant collection of users, I just don't see it.

Apple seems to be doing a much better job than most other electronics companies in reducing questionable chemicals and energy use.
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apple is giving its user base the collective finger with the mac pro "updates". It's like they are doing it intentionally. Get Ive to redesign or touch up the case and stick the latest of other people's hardware in there, how the hell can't this be done in 3 years time? That should be a few weeks' work at most. 

 

It could be done in 5 minutes, if you don't really care about it being done well. 

 

Ive and team care. So they are going to take the time. They are going to wait until they can release a machine they are proud to put their names on and not just any old crap that was slammed together over a couple of beers and a plate of onion rings. 

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The present case design does the job. Why change for the sake of change? Besides, as Apple slowly leaves the computer business, there is no need for them to invest in something they really are no longer interested in supporting.

I don't think it is that.  I think they are going to announce something, but they with the iMac, they might have to wait for new panels that haven't shipped yet, there might be new graphics chips that haven't shipped yet, and there might be some other components that haven't shipped yet, so it doesn't make sense to announce one upgrade now and then another MAJOR upgrade in 6 or 7 months from now.

 

I can think of things they might be doing to both iMacs and MacPros that would require waiting.  Will it be worth the wait?  YES.

 

To say Apple is slowly leaving the computer business is a false statement.  Their computer business is still growing, just not as fast as the tablet and smartphone business.  Don't make assumptions. Computers are NOT dead, it is just not growing AS fast as other products and they would probably rather make giant upgrades every time they feel it is worth releasing.  Part of it is video related and part is processor related and other components like WIFi, audio, SSD, etc.

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Hopefully with matte display. At least as an option. Even if more expensive. Oherwise, no purchase. Sign the petition at
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Hasn't done any good so far and won't. There won't be a matte screen especially now that Apple has released this reduced glare glossy in the retina MBP. That is the way they will go. 

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"Our pro customers are so important to us that we will have something for you late next year." Lol, something about that seems self-contradictory...

 

It's also vague. We don't know what question was put to Tim. It's possible that he was asked about a redesign etc and he answered to that. A full redesign. And that could be coming much later this year to next year. 

 

But spec updates, which he might consider out of the range of the question he was asked, could be coming as early as next week. 

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I respect 3M, but you lost me after that!... (BTW, 3M products are expensive, and they get the job done without question....)
Mobil is just an oil company...

Apple designs great products, from a cost standpoint they have to make the products cost effective by the number of computers they design and the frequency at which they update them. These guys have to do it when it makes sense to do it.  Yeah, they have to consider profits.  They have all kinds of people making demands on these people.  They have customers that scream for the latest and greatest, they have shareholders that want a particular Return on Investment, there are also technologies that aren't ready to ship because of one reason or another.  And then there is the point of does it make sense to upgrade a system now and wait another 6 to 7 months for a BIGGER upgrade.  Everyone is so used to this Moore's law and when the speed of which they can pump new products slows down a few months and delays a product announcement, everyone freaks out and makes false assumptions.  Yeah, Apple has been growing at an INCREDIBLY fast rate, but the desktop market hasn't, it is still there, for Apple, it is still growing, just not fast enough to warrant new computer models as fast as they used to, especially when there are several different technologies coming out a slightly different times that they have no control over.  So what, that doesn't mean they aren't going to put out new products? It is just now as FAST between refreshes.  What you honestly think that Apple themselves are going to run their own business on Smartphones and iPads?  You have got to have a screw loose if you think that and Apple is not going to change from using Macs to using PCs running Windows.  That won't ever happen.

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Originally Posted by MR Minsky View Post

Having fallen in love with all things Apple, I've been waiting 6 months now for my first Apple computer. Not a notebook - why bother when you've got an iPad and need a big screen ?

 

So my sights are set on a beautiful new iMac to replace a supercharged PC (with age comes wisdom ... "it just works" starts to appeal).

 

Why the delay ? Saving the cash, waiting for the new intel processors and now waiting on Apple. Aaaarh the pain.  I agree with previous comments, the design is already superb, just update the insides with :

 

(a) ivy bridge processor - less heat, more speed; what's not to like

(b) Nvidia graphics - more power (nice) and better drivers (on windows) than ATI

(c) a bigger top end hard disk (at least 3Tb please)

 

Fingers crossed for an update soon, but I'm starting to feel that this is going to be a long wait (big sigh - I hate waiting).

 

 

 


My advice for anything computer related: If you need one - buy one and never look back! Anything else is masochism.
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Originally Posted by Evilution View Post

2013! You'd better be f¥€#ing with me. My iMac is playing up and I need to upgrade it and I'm not ever going to buy a PC again.

How old is your system? And what do you use it for?  What are the main apps that you are using?  Maybe I can offer you a couple of good reasons why to wait, OR you can get a iMac knowing there is going to be a new one next year, or get a MacBookPro retina with a Thunderbolt display (or a cheap and dirty large panel monitor).    I think they have to wait for a new panel and the new panels aren't shipping yet.  Plus there might be some other things that like 802.11ac that they are waiting on, etc.

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My advice for anything computer related: If you need one - buy one and never look back! Anything else is masochism.

Well said.  I always think that no matter what you buy and it applies to ALL manufacturers.  We are always buying the latest and greatest prototype because there will be always something better in a few months or a year that will make what we have obsolete.  It's just the nature of computers, stereos, cars, clothes, etc.

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