Originally Posted by taugust04
Wow, there is a lot of over-reaction to the minimal Mac Pro refresh, and the lack of an iMac refresh. With every quarter that goes by, there is an increasing percentage of laptop vs desktop sales. Apple is simply dedicating their resources to where the profits are, which are iOS devices and Mac laptops.
Resources? Are you nuts, they have over $100 billion in the bank, hey could afford an iMac, Mini and Pro refresh. Oh it is not an over reaction to say that the Pro refresh is a joke. More precisely it is an insult to the Mac Pro community.
That being said, I don't think desktops are going anywhere, and the lack of a refresh doesn't point to that. The iMac and Mac Pro are relatively stable and mature platforms, as most of the desktop PC industry is as a whole. Intel's roadmap's for desktop CPU's have also been 'slowing down' as of late as well, which could partially explain the longer refresh cycle of the iMac.
Oh come on, we all know Ivy Bridge is out. While it certainly offers little in the way of performance gains the support for USB 3 is important to iMac users.
The other question to ask, is, does Intel have a Xeon capable chipset available that supports Thunderbolt and USB 3.0? If the answer is no, then, that answer helps partially explain why the Mac Pro was just speed-bumped today and not much else.
So explain the video card! More so is it that difficult for Apple to write a driver for a third party USB 3 chip? Mind you it has been over two years now.
Apple didn't take the plunge on USB 3.0 on their mobile computers until Intel had the integrated chipset available to make it so. Although they are doing a lot of customization in the iOS hardware area, and in the power management of their mobile computers, one thing Apple has not been doing is spending a lot of resources on customizing chipsets for their desktops and laptops. Most are based on reference designs and chipsets from Intel, and I wouldn't expect that to change any time soon.
Well that is in part garbage because some of Apples IP is in the laptops. However if your primary supplier is failing, isn't it about time to look for a third party.
As mobile computers become faster and more powerful, they are increasingly becoming part of the 'pro' workflow. I think the new MBP with Retina Display is a testament to that. The new model may not be a mainstream bestseller due to pricing, but, it's going to sell will in the pro and pro-sumer markets that need the additional horsepower and features the new model offers.
Actually I suspect Apple will have a huge backlog. I'm objective enough to see the retina MBP as a very compelling machine. However it is not a desktop machine nor can it effectively compete with one.
I would expect Mac laptops continue to be refreshed on a yearly basis, since the technology is continuing to improve at a faster rate than in the desktop segment of the market. The iMac and Mac Mini will probably go to a 12-18 month cycle.
You do realize that the Mini uses the same laptop chips that you claim are improving so damn fast!!! The fact is Ivy Bridge is exactly what the Mini needs to make it a more vible platform.
The Mac Pro may go two years between major technology refreshes, with only speed bumps in between. I think it's more telling that the Mac Pro did not get discontinued today (as the 17" MacBook Pro did), than the minimal refresh to the line. The fact it's still in the product line means Apple is still getting enough sales to justify still running the factories to produce them.
Do you really think anybody would be buying the Mac Pro as it is now unless they had no choice? What today's non releases tells us is that Apple doesn't give a damn about the desktop. If the rumors about no iMacs until 2013 are true it also indicates a disdain for their customers.
Otherwise, they would be in the Apple product graveyard.
My prediction: expect an iMac refresh in the fall, and a Mac Pro refresh in 2013.
So you think it is wise and proper for Apple to continue to sell grossly outdated iMacs to their customers when the hardware solutions exist to modernize the machines? Is it good for customer relations to say you can't have a desktop with USB 3 because we are to damn lazy to build one? Frankly I don't care if the product would only be on the market for six months until the current iMacs replacement cones. For me it is a question of ethics. If Apple advertised the iMac as their antique computer that would be one thing but they don't do that. Instead it is offered up as a modern computer which it isn't anymore.