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On its quest for ever-thinner computers, Apple has created MagSafe 2, a slimmer version of its magnetic power port, for the next-generation MacBook Pro and the MacBook Air.

Apple on Monday unveiled its top-of-the-line 15-inch MacBook Pro with Retina Display. The machine is just 0.71 inches thick, 25 percent thinner than the previous generation.

In order to achieve that thinness, Apple had to rethink the laptop's power adapter. "We even created a new, slimmer MagSafe 2 port to accommodate [the next-generation MacBook Pro's] thin, sleek design," the company wrote on its website.

The Cupertino, Calif., Mac maker also made use of the new port in the MacBook Air portables that it announced on Monday. The legacy 13-inch and 15-inch MacBook Pros that saw a modest upgrade at the Worldwide Developers Conference do not feature the MagSafe 2 connector.

Photos of the new laptops show more horizontal space and less vertical space around the magnetic connection, but it's not immediately clear exactly how much thinner the new port is.

MagSafe 2
Apple's new MagSafe 2 connector.


Another change for MagSafe 2 is the return to a "T"-style connector instead of the "L"-style that Apple has been using as of late. The company previously faced a class-action lawsuit over its T-shaped power adapter, eventually settling with consumers by offering either replacement adapters or refunds for replacement purchases.

The new MagSafe 2 adapters are not backwards compatible with previous generations of MacBook products, though Apple has added a $9.99 MagSafe to MagSafe 2 converter that will allow MagSafe 2-equipped computers to utilize MagSafe connectors on LED Cinema Displays, Thunderbolt Displays and first-generation MagSafe power adapters. Apple, however, does not seem to have released a MagSafe 2 to MagSafe converter that would let older devices use the adapter that comes with the new laptops.

MagSafe 2
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An 85W MagSafe 2 power adapter (for the MacBook Pro with Retina Display) and a 45W adapter (for the new MacBook Air) are now being sold in the Apple Online Store for $79, the same price as first-generation MagSafe adapters.
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I don't see the purpose. The old MagSafe connector fit just fine on a MacBook Air and these new computers are not any thinner. Maybe they plan on making even thinner ones eventually, but I don't see how you can get thinner than the headphone jack. Also I really prefer the current connectors over these T-shaped ones.
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WHY go back to the T connector? I have laptops with both the T and L connectors, and the L connector is much better.

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The new Macbook is sick, but I just don't understand why Apple didn't talk about the new airport express at the keynote. They had a huge stage to promote it, and they released it without so much as a press release. Apple, such a strange company! The only people really reporting on it are these guys. It's just bizarre.

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Also worth noting that these rev2 jobbies do not charge the battery whilst you're using the notebook, only when it's off or in sleep mode. This update seems a backward step in a couple of ways.
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Oh god...And lose the sharpness of the retina display? I'm ok.
 
 
No, to lose the glossiness! ;)
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The glossiness doesn't bother me at all. In fact, I really like the screens as they are right now. It's what the screens make so beautiful as they are. On the other hand, I know of plenty people who are really bothered by it so I really don't get it why it can't be offered as an option so that people can choose. 

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I'm surprised by the lack of discussion regarding the loss of the Kensington lock port. Or am I missing something? MBP's are the most stolen laptop and now the most expensive one (not complaining since I think it is a lot for the money and I would max it out) may be a NO BUY since I don't, at this point, see a way to lock it. It has kept me from buying an Air and without a real upgrade to the Mac Pro I may have to leave Mac as several other sites have mentioned since I simply can't wait for something that may happen in 2013. I think if China wanted a Mac Pro it would have been presented yesterday. Unfortunately, I think the USA is second in the eyes of Apple as China is mentioned more and more in the presentations and commercials. I understand the business reason for it but it's kind of a bummer.  

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I'm surprised by the lack of discussion regarding the loss of the Kensington lock port. 

Have you ever tried actually pulling a Kensington lock out of the slot? We had a heap of iMacs stolen, every Kensington lock (genuine ones, not cheap Chinese rip-offs) had broken at the cross section of the T. We experimented with them afterward, and a sharp tug at the correct angle and the T just snaps right off. Complete waste of time and absolutely no security at all.

 

I do agree with you about the Mac Pro though, and I'm sure many others do too. I'm still on a 2006 Mac Pro, which even now is still running like the day it was made. Can't quite say the same for the 2006 iMacs and MacBooks. Two years since the last Mac Pro update, and we get just a minor speed bump? That's just insulting.

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Also worth noting that these rev2 jobbies do not charge the battery whilst you're using the notebook, only when it's off or in sleep mode. This update seems a backward step in a couple of ways.

I suspect this is because of the tightly packed components that run hot.  The battery will add heat when charging as well.  It will likely kick in the charge when cpu is idle or temps are within acceptable limits.  However, I do see the disadvantage in this considering the price.

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Also worth noting that these rev2 jobbies do not charge the battery whilst you're using the notebook, only when it's off or in sleep mode. This update seems a backward step in a couple of ways.

 

 

I'm not sure where you got that from? 

 

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This power adapter recharges the lithium polymer battery while the system is off, on, or in sleep mode. It also powers the system if you choose to operate without a battery.

 

I think it's ridiculous that Apple keeps introducing different ports and standards. As others have said, the old Magsafe port was fine on the Air which is half the thickness of the MacBook Pro, now we have to have yet another adapter for this new "Magsafe 2" fad. It's all very well making things thinner, but if you need to cart a bagful of adapters with you wherever you go, that seems to defeat the purpose somewhat. Of course occasionally a new port/standard needs to be introduced, but this one really seems like a waste of time.

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Great. Now the 1/2 dozen power adapters I've acquired and spread out around my house and office since the magsafe was introduced now require an additional adapter to be used. 

No charging while using the laptop? Seriously? How about some form of smart charging while using the laptop instead? 

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I suspect this is because of the tightly packed components that run hot.  The battery will add heat when charging as well.  It will likely kick in the charge when cpu is idle or temps are within acceptable limits.  However, I do see the disadvantage in this considering the price.

yeah, I don't get that, and I don't think its true. Even my older MBP stops charging the battery when I'm pushing the machine hard, as there is just not enough power left to do it.

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I'm not sure where you got that from? 

 

I think it's ridiculous that Apple keeps introducing different ports and standards. As others have said, the old Magsafe port was fine on the Air which is half the thickness of the MacBook Pro, now we have to have yet another adapter for this new "Magsafe 2" fad. It's all very well making things thinner, but if you need to cart a bagful of adapters with you wherever you go, that seems to defeat the purpose somewhat. Of course occasionally a new port/standard needs to be introduced, but this one really seems like a waste of time.

it fit on the air because they could fit things in at angles.  With the flat side, the port doesn't fit.  They would have to had made the machine wider to use angles (and look ugly), or thicker.... or make a new port.  I think the new port was the best option.

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Great. Now the 1/2 dozen power adapters I've acquired and spread out around my house and office since the magsafe was introduced now require an additional adapter to be used. 

No charging while using the laptop? Seriously? How about some form of smart charging while using the laptop instead? 

just leave the adapter to use older magsafes stuck in your laptop?  I'm not sure the charing thing is true.

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Also worth noting that these rev2 jobbies do not charge the battery whilst you're using the notebook, only when it's off or in sleep mode. This update seems a backward step in a couple of ways.

Really? Where did you read that? It seems completely counter productive to docking it to a Cinema display and working all day.The battery is rated at 7 hours.

 

EDIT: It does work while in use. I just went to Apple store and this is copied from the page

 

"This power adapter recharges the lithium polymer battery while the system is off, on, or in sleep mode. It also powers the system if you choose to operate without a battery."

 

Apparently you can remove the battery judging that last statement. 


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I'm sure there's plenty of room inside the world's most advanced consumer computer for extra stuff. They should have just kept the old/larger MagSafe tech inside.

In fact, why update anything at all, ever? Come to think of it, let's go back! Bring back floppies, larger units, and lower res displays. Processors are getting too fast, making computers uncomfortably snappy and capable.

Just anything so I can keep more old shit laying around my apartment.

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The glossiness doesn't bother me at all. In fact, I really like the screens as they are right now. It's what the screens make so beautiful as they are. On the other hand, I know of plenty people who are really bothered by it so I really don't get it why it can't be offered as an option so that people can choose. 

Strange huh? Why Apple only offered that on the 17inch is baffling.
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I'm still on a 2006 Mac Pro, which even now is still running like the day it was made. Can't quite say the same for the 2006 iMacs and MacBooks.

See, the MP is the cheapest Mac. People who replace their laptop every 2 or 3 years are spending way more. Strangely, these are the ones complaining that the MP is such an expensive PC.
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Hey! Could that new magsafe adaptor be the new smaller connector for iOS devices?

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Hey! Could that new magsafe adaptor be the new smaller connector for iOS devices?

 

I doubt it, because it doesn't have any data pins.

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Also worth noting that these rev2 jobbies do not charge the battery whilst you're using the notebook, only when it's off or in sleep mode. This update seems a backward step in a couple of ways.

 

That can't be true. I can't believe Apple would accept that - it's an absurd usability flaw on a $2199 laptop. Surely it charges when the machine isn't being worked too hard.

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Has anyone looked to see if Apple has a new patent on MagSafe2?

 

My thinking would be that they are buttressing their IP by changing the design.  The original MagSafe patent would still cover this (and it doesn't expire until 2025), but a newer patent filed for in the last year would last until the 2030s and keep third parties out of the power game for Macs (which Apple has done successfully).

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I think it's ridiculous that Apple keeps introducing different ports and standards.

Darned right. Serial, Parallel, and SCSI are good enough for anyone. /s
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I do agree with you about the Mac Pro though, and I'm sure many others do too. I'm still on a 2006 Mac Pro, which even now is still running like the day it was made. Can't quite say the same for the 2006 iMacs and MacBooks. Two years since the last Mac Pro update, and we get just a minor speed bump? That's just insulting.

 

New Mac Pro was launched yesterday, it's just on the website not in the keynote. I guess the keynote was full enough!

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NON-UPGRADABLE SOLDERED-IN MEMORY in new Retina Display MacBook Pro

 

Apple did not mention it:  The new Retina Display MacBook Pro has non-upgradable RAM.  It is soldered in.  You choose either the default 8 GB RAM or pay $200 MORE for 16 GB RAM.  Once you decide how much RAM you want, you CANNOT UPGRADE later to more RAM.

 

This is very very disappointing.

 

If higher density RAM chips come out, you cannot upgrade your MacBook after you buy it.  You cannot upgrade to 32 GB RAM in the future.  You are stuck with the 8 or 16 GB that you initially bought.

 

THat sucks big time.

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NON-UPGRADABLE SOLDERED-IN MEMORY in new Retina Display MacBook Pro

Apple did not mention it:  The new Retina Display MacBook Pro has non-upgradable RAM.  It is soldered in.  You choose either the default 8 GB RAM or pay $200 MORE for 16 GB RAM.  Once you decide how much RAM you want, you CANNOT UPGRADE later to more RAM.

This is very very disappointing.

If higher density RAM chips come out, you cannot upgrade your MacBook after you buy it.  You cannot upgrade to 32 GB RAM in the future.  You are stuck with the 8 or 16 GB that you initially bought.

THat sucks big time.

That's unfortunate. I guess it makes the decision on whether to get 16 GB when I buy one an easy decision.

I suspect that either:
1. Apple couldn't find a way to squeeze replaceable RAM into this form factor
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2. Apple's research indicated that the number of people who upgrade their RAM these days is not large enough to worry about.

Or both.
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NON-UPGRADABLE SOLDERED-IN MEMORY in new Retina Display MacBook Pro

 

That sucks big time.

But it makes it thinner I suppose since the RAM sticks were perhaps couple millimeters thicker with the slot connectors and all.

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The new Macbook is sick, but I just don't understand why Apple didn't talk about the new airport express at the keynote. They had a huge stage to promote it, and they released it without so much as a press release.

 

Because it doesn't matter at all.

 

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The only people reporting on it are these guys. It's just bizarre.

 

What's bizarre is that you think the site you're spamming is the only one reporting it when every single Apple site is reporting it.

 

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Also worth noting that these rev2 jobbies do not charge the battery whilst you're using the notebook, only when it's off or in sleep mode. This update seems a backward step in a couple of ways.

 

Now that's a blatant lie.

 

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Hey! Could that new magsafe adaptor be the new smaller connector for iOS devices?

 

No data pins, so no. Why would you want a MagSafe on an iOS device, anyway?

 

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If higher density RAM chips come out, you cannot upgrade your MacBook after you buy it.  You cannot upgrade to 32 GB RAM in the future.  You are stuck with the 8 or 16 GB that you initially bought.

 

THat sucks big time.

 

So vote with your wallet. For tens of millions (I would venture billions) of people, this is completely meaningless. Apple knows that and is expanding that idea. It also becomes irrelevant if new software is less RAM-thirsty. 

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Strange huh? Why Apple only offered that on the 17inch is baffling.

It was also available on the 15" (as long as you also opted for the higher-resolution display). When I bought the first-generation Thunderbolt MBP I opted for the matte+HD display. Originally I only wanted the HD+Glossy (which was available as a BTO option), but in-store you had your choice of standard+glossy or HD+matte (which also required an upgrade from the 2.2ghz to 2.3ghz CPU). I beleive that in-store the 17" MBP (which I very nearly bought and now that it's discontinued kinda wish I had) required the CPU upgrade as well to get the matte option (which was available without the CPU upgrade as a BTO option).
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So vote with your wallet. For tens of millions (I would venture billions) of people, this is completely meaningless. Apple knows that and is expanding that idea. It also becomes irrelevant if new software is less RAM-thirsty. 

I think this is less of an issue with Apple gouging less for RAM than they used to. For me the 16gb upgrade at $200 is a no-brainer. However, for those who opt for 8gb, with the SSD it's slightly less critical to ugprade in the future as the swap lives on a faster drive meaning the performance degredation will be less noticeable. It could, theoretically, diminish the life of the SSD because of limited read/write cycles, but I have to imagine that Apple is making the SSD a replaceable part as it is in the current Air.
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Does anyone know when the new retina MBP will be in the Apple Stores? I went in and asked today and the sales rep said they had "no idea" when they were coming in.

 

I wonder why they dropped the words "MacBook Pro" from the bottom of the screen. Must be the first MB I can remember that doesn't have the name stamped there.

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So vote with your wallet. For tens of millions (I would venture billions) of people, this is completely meaningless. Apple knows that and is expanding that idea. It also becomes irrelevant if new software is less RAM-thirsty. 

 

Don't forget, it's also about bragging about the size of your RAM to people who really don't give two craps about it anyway.  I would venture that's the ultimate reason for most of those who persist in whinging about it.

 

Having said that, I shall now commence whinging.  I only have 4GB on my 6-year-old MBP.  I bought it with 2GB and upgraded after a couple of years.  I would really like the option to upgrade it later myself (I'm assuming you can take it to an Apple Store for an upgrade).  Not a deal breaker for me, though.  $200 to upgrade a computer I'm likely going to use for 5+ years really isn't too bad.

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"return to a "T"-style connector"

 

Good call. There are angles at which the L-connector will pull your laptop back away from you without disconnecting. Possibly to tumble off the back of a desk! Never happened to me, but I do think the T-connector is better at the job of disconnecting when tugged. Even if the L-style looked nicer.

 

Now, the original “T” had durability problems, but those can be fixed and probably have been.

 


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I'm surprised by the lack of discussion regarding the loss of the Kensington lock port. ... 

 

I hesitated to buy an Air for the same reason, but I simply apply much BETTER security: when I go to the john, I toss my laptop back in the bag and carry it with me! Better peace of mind (those lock cables are useful but not perfect). And no hassle of lugging a lock cable around and having to lock/unlock it all the time.

 

Once in a while I’ll leave my Air on a coffee shop table IF I’m sitting with a friend I trust and have told them to watch it. In that case, I also turn the camera on so a thief sees themselves. Hey, it supposedly works in stores :)

 

And one other small peace of mind: Macs have “active security” now: Find My Mac. I leave an open Guest account on my machine now, just to encourage thieves to go online and get caught by Location Services.


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I think this is less of an issue with Apple gouging less for RAM than they used to. For me the 16gb upgrade at $200 is a no-brainer. However, for those who opt for 8gb, with the SSD it's slightly less critical to ugprade in the future as the swap lives on a faster drive meaning the performance degredation will be less noticeable. It could, theoretically, diminish the life of the SSD because of limited read/write cycles, but I have to imagine that Apple is making the SSD a replaceable part as it is in the current Air.

 

Yeah, it starts at 8GB. Really, how many people will find that a problem? It's a lot of RAM. Only some users, for example those who routinely have several VMs running, really need 16GB. And if you aren't sure, just spend the $200. Apple used to have ridiculous RAM prices. No longer. It's just not a problem.

 

On the MagSafe 2 connector (the real subject here), for the life of me I cannot understand why they are going back to the T format. It royally sucked in use (I saw many that were damaged), and it doesn't look good either. The L is much neater, the cable tucks away towards the back on your desk.

 

Frequent connector changes are not a good sign. It's one of the things that drove me crazy about HP laptops. In an organizational setting it's a real problem for support.

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Matte Retina doesn't make sense. Matte is a surface texture that adds a bit of fuzz to the image. It's fine on 100ppi displays, but on 200ppi+, it's counterproductive, and it tends to wash the darks out a bit at any pixel density, that's just the nature of light diffusion.

It sounds like they might have an anti-reflective treatment, so I suggest taking a look at one in person before panning it. I usually give that sort of treatment several bonus points because it's the best of both worlds, it doesn't wash out the image, but it knocks down incident light considerably.
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Don't forget, it's also about bragging about the size of your RAM to people who really don't give two craps about it anyway.  I would venture that's the ultimate reason for most of those who persist in whinging about it.

 

Quite true.

 

Embarrassingly enough, I still only have 6GB of RAM in my Mac Pro, despite very probably needing more (and benefiting from more). I've yet to upgrade because I haven't the money to buy the RAM I want yet and I also don't feel I deserve it.

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Yeah, it starts at 8GB. Really, how many people will find that a problem? It's a lot of RAM. Only some users, for example those who routinely have several VMs running, really need 16GB. And if you aren't sure, just spend the $200. Apple used to have ridiculous RAM prices. No longer. It's just not a problem.

That's a good point and the primary reason I upgraded to 8gb of RAM. I routinely have at least one VM running, and even that is enough to require more than 4gb of RAM (so that I can allocate a full 2gb to my VM). But also remember that, even though 8gb (or even 4gb) of RAM may be plenty for today's OS and applications, it probably won't suffice 3-4 years from now. Maybe some here have the $$$/£££/¥¥¥ to upgrade every year or two, but I've habitually kept my Macs running for 5-6 years. My first-gen MBP (restricted by hardware to 2gb of RAM) felt very long in the tooth by the time I replaced it. It still works fine for my son, but it certainly wasn't running my software with acceptable performance anymore.
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Quite true.

Embarrassingly enough, I still only have 6GB of RAM in my Mac Pro, despite very probably needing more (and benefiting from more). I've yet to upgrade because I haven't the money to buy the RAM I want yet and I also don't feel I deserve it.

My Mac Pro is using about 6 GB out of 10GB of RAM right now.
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I don't see the purpose. The old MagSafe connector fit just fine on a MacBook Air and these new computers are not any thinner. Maybe they plan on making even thinner ones eventually, but I don't see how you can get thinner than the headphone jack. Also I really prefer the current connectors over these T-shaped ones.

 

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WHY go back to the T connector? I have laptops with both the T and L connectors, and the L connector is much better.

 

 

With the L shaped Magsafe connector plugged into the laptop and the cord facing the back, try pulling the cord vertically straight up or straight down.  Also try pulling the cord around the back of the laptop.  In both cases, the L shaped connector stays attached to the laptop. Not very "safe".

 

Grasping the L shaped connector and connecting it the laptop is also more difficult compared to the straight Magsafe connector.

 

In order to be truly "safe", the Magsafe connector needs to easily disconnect when pulled in *any* direction.  I think the people who like the L shaped Magsafe connector only like it for the novelty appearance, just because it looks different.


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I definitely prefer the T shape. I don't like how I have to make a decision as to which way the L should face. Sometimes, I have the power cable coming from behind my back (chair), so I have to point the cable toward the front. The T shape gives no frustration and disconnects much more easily.

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I think the people who liked the L shaped Magsafe connector only liked it for the novelty appearance, because it looked different.

 

I like the L-shaped connector because it's a lot more durable. I have been through three of the legacy adaptors from my 1st-gen MacBook Pro, while the L-shaped connector is still solid. It still disconnects when it needs to.

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Embarrassingly enough, I still only have 6GB of RAM in my Mac Pro, despite very probably needing more (and benefiting from more).

I have Activity Monitor as a login application, with the amount of RAM in use in the dock. Even though I always see a little spare memory (green in pie chart) I ordered 4x4GB at OWC when ordering a SSD PCIe card for mine. Although I probably don't need it there's no way of telling if it makes a difference as the SSD card is making my Mac fly again.

Bottom line: if you don't think or feel you need more RAM you probably don't. And if you do, it's certainly cheaper than some people on this site paid, back in the day.
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