Originally Posted by hmm
You come up with some very cool links at times, although I don't know who in their right mind would use maxwell. You should take note that throttling is to discourage problems encountered by high temperatures.
Modern chips throttle to maintain as much performance as possible for a given ability to manage the heat they produce. For marketing reasons the manufactures have turned this upside down in that clock rates get boosted when workloads are minor. Turbo boost and other features are easier to market than trying to say we throttle the cores when under heavy load.
In the end though the result is the same, when heat output is too intense clocks get rolled back.
Stuttering when it hovers around that zone is the irritating thing, and I'd like to know what kind of performance can be expected from the newest imacs with complete stability. I'm also quite interested in the display updates. Given that all in one becomes somewhat pointless if you can't use the display, I'd like to see where they're at relative to NEC and Eizo with the latest revision, mainly in terms of stability and uniformity. I'm not making presumptions in that regard.
If all the delays are display related it does make one a bit nervous. The laminated displays ought to look a lot better but durability and longevity still aren't quantified. This is one of the reasons I prefer the XMac, if Apple where to ever produce such a machine, as you have instant monitor adaptability. The built in display is just one irritation for me.
The updated screen treatment is definitely interesting. If we had something closer to a mini with the internals of the top imac, that might be enough for me personally. It still wouldn't service everyone. You can force an incredible amount of bandwidth through the dual socket models, but I don't know how much growth is there. This is kind of frustrating for those who absolutely need them.
I still think we will see something very interesting early next year from Apple. That is a Mac Pro replacement that addresses the need for performance and hopefully addresses cost.
I want to see the new ones. I wish to see how well airflow is handled, given that Apple likes any kind of ventilation to be placed out of sight. They have certain priorities and restrictions in their designs, and I want to see what it's like when something becomes available for sale.
I'm very curious about the new iMacs though I'd probably resist buying one. Maybe the enhanced screen can soften my resistance.
I am curious what they did in this regard. They've recently put emphasis on things that were somewhat ignored for years. They've put emphasis on display revisions, and in their retina macbook pro marketing, they mention redesigned airflow. What concerns me is that when it comes to design choices, I worry that they place too high a value on aesthetics.
Yes they do at times but on the other hand the latest machines from Apple have been very well accepted. Everything from the Air, to the Mini to the iMac seem to have improved dramatically when it comes to thermal management. I'm pretty confident that the engineers at Apple have some of the best computer aided engineering tools out there to work with.
My past experiences with imacs having sat in front of a number of them as they gained popularity after the switch to intel has been overwhelmingly negative, but that doesn't make me lose interest when changes are made. I just want to see the end results in more than a render on the Apple site. They have a pretty significant dead zone here in terms of availability. I'm not surprised the old ones were pulled from stores. Apple probably did not want to encourage excessive returns given that they have a very forgiving return policy on direct purchases. The refurbished store was full of macbook pros when the 2012s debuted, including 2010 models. I guess they didn't want to delay the announcement any further.
What happened here is still a mystery. Apple is apparently trying to really advance the quality of these machines. At least in the context of the display. I just can't see them delaying delivery of the machines for half a year for a minor display improvement.
Marvin was right about their desire not to release the mini prior to the imac, or in this case the imac announcement.
Yeah I have no doubt he was right. The problem is I see it as fairly stupid on Apples part, Mini users simply don't have a huge amount of lust for the iMac.
Part of this may have been that they didn't want to announce the fusion drive with the mini. It's also likely that they try not to announce the cheaper desktop machine first. The mini has lagged behind in past revisions. I can think of a number of reasons. If they share parts with other things that are either more expensive at the time of release or limited in supply, the mini would lose to the macbooks in that scenario.
Initially I thought that Apple might have been on allocation from Intel. As time goes on I think it has become pretty clear that Apple was just being ignorant and apparently have given marketing people way to much influence at Apple.