My iPhone 4 already does facetime over 3G. It's called jailbreaking and a little app named 3G unrestrictor. Also lets me download apps of any size. Sorry apple, but for a company that's all about "simplicity" your feature set is one of the most complicated on the market. It will only get worse when they go to the simple naming scheme because no one will be able to keep track of which phone they have, just like with the current mac models.
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My iPhone 4 already does facetime over 3G. It's called jailbreaking and a little app named 3G unrestrictor. Also lets me download apps of any size. Sorry apple, but for a company that's all about "simplicity" your feature set is one of the most complicated on the market. It will only get worse when they go to the simple naming scheme because no one will be able to keep track of which phone they have, just like with the current mac models.
Orly welcome to the forums btw since you joined just to post the above.
Sure you could jailbreak...I've done it on my 4...and it doesn't compare to the 4S..
You guys do remember the A5 does have some differences from the A4
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For which feature? Turn-by-turn navigation? I have that on my iPhone 4 using Navigon. Works great.
Siri? Works on jailbroken phones.
At the very least, for those two features, Apple has held them back from iPhone 4 users with some other motive in mind other than hardware capability.
The feature that is the main subject this thread.
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How about Apple's servers? Also one carrier does not make it invalid when it may be the majority.
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So not for the iPhone 4 huh? That doesn't seem right. I am glad I have an iPhone 4s.
Apple did release iPhoto for iPad 2 or better. I was able to get iPhoto to work on my iPad first Gen. But there is no way to hack SIRI on an iPhone 4 in iOS 6. How sad.
Maybe a company like Google will release a program capable turn by turn nab for the iPhone 4 and older.

My iPhone 4 already does facetime over 3G. It's called jailbreaking and a little app named 3G unrestrictor. Also lets me download apps of any size. Sorry apple, but for a company that's all about "simplicity" your feature set is one of the most complicated on the market. It will only get worse when they go to the simple naming scheme because no one will be able to keep track of which phone they have, just like with the current mac models.
Much better to keep everything simple and never offer software upgrades like Google and friends.

For which feature? Turn-by-turn navigation? I have that on my iPhone 4 using Navigon. Works great.
Siri? Works on jailbroken phones.
At the very least, for those two features, Apple has held them back from iPhone 4 users with some other motive in mind other than hardware capability.
Wait! Apple is holding back Navigon from iPhone 4? That's the first I heard of that. You say it works great though. Is that a jailbreak?
WUT? Most of the 4S user's I know have grandfathered data plans along with myself and my wife's phone...upgrading to the new phone would not change your plan..just your contract term length.
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More likely the decision was made to exclude the iPhone 4 so carriers could start handling FaceTime gradually. It seems the main issue at hand here is that Apple claims they have one platform and one version of an OS when in reality the fine print creates a whole host of various sub-versions and feature fragmentation. We're still a far cry from the Android quagmire but I can't help missing the days of OS X when buying the newest version meant getting all the new features.
And you don't think the 4S will suffer the same fate?? The device update is coming soon...the 4S is well over 6 months old now...with new device comes features the just upgraded 4S users will miss out on..
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Wasn't the 4S released about 9 months ago back in October last year? I recall it being about the 14th or so of October for the first release.
Which to be honest, is how we should be judging the age of any product that Apple releases. You buy a 3gs today it is not 1 day old - the phone itself is a 3 year old device.
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Yeah, except when iOS 6 actually *launches* (it isn't out right now obviously), your phone will be two generations old and would have shipped with an OS that is two generations old as well. Also, at that time, your phone will fall into the "free" category in terms of most offers from most cell providers.
It will on the other hand *run* iOS 6 and you will get it as a free upgrade (even though when you bought it, the promise was only that it would run iOS 4 and iOS 5), except a few features won't be working/possible.
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So Apple i pulling the same stunt again (as they did with lte/4g)? First publishing something and then change the requirement. Hope that you have a screen shot of the text because there will be a number of people here that will not believe you until hard evidence is published ;-)
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It doesn't matter when you bought it.
The iPhone 4 is by definition 1 year and 9 months old, not "less than a year." When iOS 6 is out it will be over 2 years old.
(the rest of your post is mindless insults based on zero facts and not worth answering).
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On the Australian site (http://www.apple.com/au/ios/ios6/)
It doesn't say that. Tried the link you gave me and it says 4S and 3rd gen iPad only.

Wasn't the 4S released about 9 months ago back in October last year? I recall it being about the 14th or so of October for the first release.
Which to be honest, is how we should be judging the age of any product that Apple releases. You buy a 3gs today it is not 1 day old - the phone itself is a 3 year old device.
Yep about 242-3 days ago to be precise, I set a memo for that date in my calendar so it reminds me often
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I'd say we have an excessive amount of OS fragmentation going on here but Apple is employing a ruse by giving each device it's own OS with the same version number as everybody else, but obviously severely restricting features for older devices. As such, for Apple to point the finger at Google about OS fragmentation is a sham.
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You're just making things up here about the hardware and you know it. Anyone who thinks they are being "shafted" or anything similar is just a whiner. It's always the same with every product release, and there is no logical argument to support the whining.
The essential argument being made by the whiners goes like this:
"I want the latest features, but I don't want to upgrade every year to get them."
Rational? No.
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Thanks for posting a link to this. Very helpful.

From Engadget: http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/12/psa-which-ios-6-features-can-my-device-run/
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It may also be that these new advanced features that are very beificial, convienent, and more "flashy" to the public eye may and probable will get more use, and suck up more cellular data because of their ease of use and mainstream attraction.
So knowing this the mobile networks (like Verizon) who are trying to cap or move people away from their grandfathered unlimited data plans, struck a deal to allow it only on the newest devices.
Version won't let you upgrade your phone without switching to a metered cellular plan.
So when The new iPhone comes out, of course you want it . . .
Byebye unlimited plan.
So this makes since in that regard.
Some of these features can be done on older devices but I'm sure it scares the ish out of the networks with all the popularity and unlimited plans out there.
It's a calculated rule, and I'm sure that's what Steve Jobs meant when he announced FaceTime and said something like needing to "work a little" with the networks.
Just imagine what impact "Siri Does Dallas" (Cowboys, Stars, Rangers, Mavericks, Sidekicks...) will have on network usage when people look up scores, stats, etc...
This Siri Sports ability, alone will, likely, drive the Siri servers performance down the drain, day-in-day-out, year 'round.
One way to help assure reasonable performance for desired/limited service is to charge [more] for the service the better it is -- box seats cost more than bleacher seats.
Another way is to provide the service free, but limit access to, say, members of the stadium club (as a benefit of paid membership in the club).
So, what Apple/carriers are doing with these "limited-availability" services -- is providing them free, but limiting the access to them to "members of the club who have paid their dues".
Another way to consider this -- everyone who buys a ticket is not entitled to sit in the executive boxes. Even if the team wanted to allow it, there aren't enough seats for everyone...
In this case, "seats" equates to the bandwidth/server load necessary to deliver an acceptable level of service.
Even if you have the ability to buy executive box seats -- no one is forcing you to... you can buy an end zone seat for a much lower price.
But it is unrealistic to expect when you bought executive boxes last year -- and therefore that entitles you to site in the executive boxes this year (with your end zone ticket).
That's the way of the world with cars, sports, computers, cell phones... you get what you pay for when you buy it.
If you want/need a thing badly enough you will find a way to pay for it.
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You're both right. I have no doubt that the iPhone 4 could do FaceTime over 3G. In fact, weren't there hacks to enable this a while back? Apple is just choosing to not allow it...and we all know why. I agree, however, with what you wrote about 3G.
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What is it with people calling devices obsolete when they're actively being sold? Very condescending, IMO. This answer is frequently accompanied by the arguments that people should simply buy the latest that the company offers if they want the newest features.
Is it that much to expect that a company support their current offerings? Apple (any company for that matter) should make it clear what the support guidelines are. Wouldn't it be odd if, for example, Mountain Lion didn't support Messages or Facetime with i7 not i5? Only on MacBooks purchased in 2011 and 2012? Only with MacBook Pro and not MacBook Air? I suppose the same arguments could be made there.

Is it really that much of a shock that Apple is making the newest features exclusive to its latest products? If your hardware is 2 years old, it's already obsolete for a company who updates its hardware on a yearly cycle.
I can't imagine what fun feature items will be unavailable for users of 2010 equipment for Mountain Lion later this summer and for iOS7 next year.
People who bought a Mac before this week's refresh and an iPad 2 before the new iPad came out were especially screwed, but they should have known better by doing research and realizing that Apple's behavior is quite established.
If you want to ride the "Latest and Greatest" tech wave with Apple and get the most bang for your hardware buck, your best bet is to have a big wallet and be ready to refresh your hardware every 2 years so that you can leapfrog. Buy every other iPhone. Buy every other MacBook refresh. Dump your old hardware on craigslist, ebay, or to Windows-using relatives.
My forecasts for 2013:
People who bought a Mac computer in the 2011 Back To School season will miss out on some features in 2013's OSX 10.9. (Think of Air Drop, requiring only newer machines when 10.7 came out, for example.)
The iPhone 3GS will be replaced by the iPhone4 as the legacy "free" phone. The iPhone4S will not get every feature in 2013's iOS7 -- those features require the A6 processor found only in the iPhone5. The iPad4 runs everything in iOS7. The new iPad (3) runs most things.
Almost as bad as Siri not being made available for iPad 2 in iOS 6, even though you can still buy it new now.
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They could be compressing the image more for 3G connections to reduce bandwidth which may require the faster processor in the 4S to get the reliability and performance Apple wants.
See the Siri example, You can hack Siri to run on the iPhone 4 as well, but the 4 doesn't have the hardware support that's built into the 4S that allows for better voice recognition. So in that case it wasn't an arbitrary decision to require the 4S. I doubt it was just an arbitrary decision in the case of FaceTime.
As for turn by turn that was mentioned. That service is tied to Siri and Siri requires 4S, so of course turn by turn requires the 4S.
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What does that have to do with anything? Do you really think the iPhone 3GS is going to get virtually any new features whatsoever? It'll get Facebook integration; that's about it.
That's Google alright. For a stupid company they sure do dumb things.
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"Fragmentation" here is referring to the number of active smartphones on a particular platform running different OS versions. And platform is a proxy for and is being conflated with actual features. iOS 6 will support all actively sold mobile devices and likely be quickly installed. The features, however, will not be available on all devices. That VIP and flagged mail and Offline Reading List won't work on 3GS is peculiar. HTH.
According to Apple he is right - their website explicitly says that the iPhone 4 running iOS6 will not run facetime over cellular.
I wasn't referring to the 3GS, I was referring to the iPhone 4, which is also still available to buy.
It's one thing for these devices to be technically inferior in some ways (speed, camera quality etc) but another to artificially restrict features (like Face Time and Siri) for no rational reason, other than a nod to the carriers to restrict data on their networks.
Quite honestly, AI needs to get a bit more objective too in its reporting, rather than being an apologist for every decision Apple makes.
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But that was your point.
You're certain of this?
That's Google alright. For a stupid company they sure do dumb things.
That's Google alright. For a stupid company they sure do dumb things.

I wasn't referring to the 3GS, I was referring to the iPhone 4, which is also still available to buy.
It's one thing for these devices to be technically inferior in some ways (speed, camera quality etc) but another to artificially restrict features (like Face Time and Siri) for no rational reason, other than a nod to the carriers to restrict data on their networks.
Quite honestly, AI needs to get a bit more objective too in its reporting, rather than being an apologist for every decision Apple makes.
There are technical reasons - here is the reason for Siri - there is new hardware built into the A5 that is specifically to support Siri. Apple won't release as substandard implementation on devices that don't have this hardware.
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iPhone 4S has special noise reduction hardware for SIRI, makes official iPhone 4 Siri port unlikely
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