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Apple will bring a high-resolution Retina display to its 13-inch MacBook Pro with a product update set to launch this October, according to one insider.

Analyst Ming-Chi Kuo of KGI shared in a note with AppleInsider on Thursday that he expects Apple to ramp up production of a 13-inch next-generation MacBook Pro with Retina display in September. That would allow the product to hit stores in early October, in time for the holiday shopping season.

Kuo was the first to indicate that Apple would retire its 17-inch MacBook Pro, and that the 15-inch next-generation MacBook Pro with Retina display would be sold alongside the previous-generation MacBook Pro with lower-resolution display and thicker design. Both of those details proved true this week at Apple's Worldwide Developers Conference.

Apple has the "highest hopes" for the new 13-inch MacBook Pro with Retina display, according to Kuo. But Apple was likely unable to unveil the new product at WWDC this week because of a low yield rate and greater assembly difficulty, he said.

Like the next-generation Retina display MacBook Pro, the 13-inch variety is expected to lack an optical disc drive and rely solely on solid-state flash memory storage. Kuo expects the screen to have a resolution of 2,560 by 1,600 pixels, and he said the 13-inch model will be slightly thinner than the 15-inch model, at 18 millimeters.

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The next-generation 13-inch MacBook Pro is not expected to have discrete graphics like its 15-inch counterpart, but will instead rely on Intel HD 4000 integrated graphics. Kuo also expects it to have an Intel Ivy Bridge processor with a clock speed greater than 2 gigahertz.

As for the just-released 15-inch Retina display MacBook Pro, Kuo said that Apple should have about 300,000 units of the next-generation notebook available to sell this month, a number that he called a "moderate" amount.
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The lack of a discrete GPU really keeps me from considering the current 13" MBP.  It'll keep me from considering a 13" MBP Retina as well.

 

Ah well.

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It'll keep me from considering a 13" MBP Retina as well.

How do you know it won't have one?

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Now this is something I would buy. 15 inch is a little too big and bulky, but 13 inch would be perfect. I would replace my Air with this. 


A discrete GPU would be really good to have on something like this though, then it would be viable for gaming. Currently, I can run Starcraft II on my Air, but it sounds like it will take off into space and feels warmer than my toaster oven. I would like for any computer replacement to handle StarCraft II without breaking a sweat or with only moderate uptick in temperature and noise (on low settings of course).

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I've not upgraded my current MacBook Pro 13" due to the crud intel graphics that Apple ships. I'd certainly be up for the new Retina 13" but if it's got the same intel chip then I won't buy. A professional grade machine should never have to rely on intel graphics.
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Sounds about right, new iMac and Mac Mini in 4-6 weeks and a 13 inch retina for 3-4 months from now.

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AH..

can't wait for apple to completly kill the dvd reader and then put a bigger battery and a nice GPU to drive another retina display 1smile.gif

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If they're going to differentiate it from the regular 13-inch Pro, then a discrete graphics card would be desirable. You're attracting customers who are willing to pay a bit more for performance and more cutting-edge features. On a related note, I wonder if such a machine could even run the Retina display at satisfactory performance using integrated graphics? 

I could easily see them selling a Retina 13-inch MBP for say, $1,599 for the 256 GB model. 512 MB video card, 2x USB, 2x Thunderbolt, SDXC. 

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I've not upgraded my current MacBook Pro 13" due to the crud intel graphics that Apple ships. I'd certainly be up for the new Retina 13" but if it's got the same intel chip then I won't buy. A professional grade machine should never have to rely on intel graphics.

 

To be honest, the "Pro" moniker doesn't mean a whole lot. I'd bet the 13-inch "Pro" is their most popular model for students, teachers, and office workers doing nothing more than Office, Safari, and Mail. 

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I hope the resolution is wrong, because if it isn't it will suck. That means the screen will still be 1280 * 800, which is too small for my needs. Why not make it 1440 * 900, just like the Air and the (R)MBP.

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do i wait,   humm, I looked at the 15 inch today,  the 15 inch with the flash drive opened iphoto much faster, same photos size on both unit's that 5400 RPM driver is a killer..  and the screen looks crappy on the non rettna compared..

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Integrated graphics = worthless.
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If they're going to differentiate it from the regular 13-inch Pro, then a discrete graphics card would be desirable. You're attracting customers who are willing to pay a bit more for performance and more cutting-edge features. On a related note, I wonder if such a machine could even run the Retina display at satisfactory performance using integrated graphics? 

I could easily see them selling a Retina 13-inch MBP for say, $1,599 for the 256 GB model. 512 MB video card, 2x USB, 2x Thunderbolt, SDXC. 

For all intents and purposes, the 13" Pro as it currently is is dead and likely outsold by the 13" Air for many reasons. I also don't see how you can stick in a dedicated GPU while cooling the system efficiently and having good battery life. The Intel HD 4000 runs a retina display just fine, since on the current 13" Air, it can power the internal display and 2 Thunderbolt displays. That's far more pixels than one Retina display.

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Integrated graphics = worthless.

Worthless for gaming, fine for everything else. Moral of the story? Don't game on a laptop, you'll always be disappointed if not now, then in a year or two.

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meh.. it will still be alot more expensive than the macbook pro 13 we now have, about 400 USD more!

 

I'll stick with buying an Air since i only do Photoshop, Illustrator, Dreamweaver and occasionally iMovie, but next time (2-3 years) i expect all mac's to be retina Display and a bit cheaper then the retina model, then i'll upgrade again, not now.

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Looking at the current pricing scheme, I can guess that the 13" MBPR will start at $1,599

 

Here are the patterns:

 

13" MBP starts at $1199

15" MBP starts at $1799

 

15" MBPR starts at $2199

 

Price difference between the 13" and 15" = $600

Price difference between the 15" MBP and MBPR = $400

 

So... $1199 + $400 = $1599

and.. $2199 - $600 = $1599

 

In other word....

 

$1199 + $600 = $1799

$1799 + $400 = $2199  for current 15" MBPR

 

Now downgrade the current MBPR from 15" to 13" will look like this...

 

$2199 - $600 = $1599

 

Or upgrade the current 13" MBP to 13" MBPR would look like this...

 

$1199 + $400 = $1599

 

The current 13" MBA costs $1199...

 

I'm not sure I'd want to spend an extra $400 for slight speed increase and a better screen.  What are your thoughts?

 

On the other hand, the current 13" MBA with 256GB of SSD costs $1499...

 

So if I wanted that, then it's not so bad to add a minor speed bump and a retina screen for $100 more...

 

Still, $1599 is out of my affordability range. :(

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This is going to get interesting.  Clearly, Apple will do away with the old-style 13 MBP at some point.  But, what about the 13 Air?  Can Apple have both the 13 Air and 13 Retina in the product line?  I think the 13 Air will be gone before the old-style 13.  In this case, I am guessing Schiller will follow the same specs and pricing strategy for the 13 Retinas as the 13 Airs.  So, two models with same processors as the old-style 13 MBPs, no discrete graphics.  Lower model with 4GB onboard RAM and 128GB SSD at $1,199. Upper model with 8GB RAM and 256GB SSD (option for 512GB) at $1,499.

 

Apples-to-apples, the Retina 13 will be cheaper than the old-style 13.  Just as it is with the 15 MBPs.  They will sell a ton of these at Christmas.

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This is going to get interesting.  Clearly, Apple will do away with the old-style 13 MBP at some point.  But, what about the 13 Air?  Can Apple have both the 13 Air and 13 Retina in the product line?  I think the 13 Air will be gone before the old-style 13.  In this case, I am guessing Schiller will follow the same specs and pricing strategy for the 13 Retinas as the 13 Airs.  So, two models with same processors as the old-style 13 MBPs, no discrete graphics.  Lower model with 4GB onboard RAM and 128GB SSD at $1,199. Upper model with 8GB RAM and 256GB SSD (option for 512GB) at $1,499.

 

Apples-to-apples, the Retina 13 will be cheaper than the old-style 13.  Just as it is with the 15 MBPs.  They will sell a ton of these at Christmas.

If Apple were planning to kill the 13" MBP or MBA, they wouldn't have updated those this year.  Update anyway to throw us off their track?  Most unlikely...  I think the 13" MBP and MBA will live until at least next year if not longer.  The 13" MBPR is coming this October, so Apple wouldn't update a product line just for 4 months, let alone 2 product lines.

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To be honest, the "Pro" moniker doesn't mean a whole lot. I'd bet the 13-inch "Pro" is their most popular model for students, teachers, and office workers doing nothing more than Office, Safari, and Mail. 

 

Apple already has the new MB Air for tasks like Office, Safari, & Mail and handles them very well. So the Pro moniker does (or should mean something).

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I hope the resolution is wrong, because if it isn't it will suck. That means the screen will still be 1280 * 800, which is too small for my needs. Why not make it 1440 * 900, just like the Air and the (R)MBP.

If the (R)MBP does 1920x1200 (which it does in its most highly-scaled mode), then the 13.3" (R)MBP should do 1680x1050.

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Zeromeus - Great summary.  Thanks   

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Integrated graphics = worthless.

 

Have you used the machine and made this observation from experience?

 

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Can someone tell me more about the update? Will they have new specs for 15" MBPR?
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Wonder how much the 13" would weigh in at....?

 

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Integrated graphics = worthless.

You mean Intel integrated graphics = worthless. The graphics in AMD's APUs are not crappy at all. Not as good as discrete, but not bad at all.

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How do you know it won't have one?


Have they ever?

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Can Apple have both the 13 Air and 13 Retina in the product line?

When the power consumption of retina displays decreases to a level approaching conventional displays, the two product lines might be merged into one. Apple might maintain the two product lines, though, if power consumption of higher-performance microprocessors requires, but this distinction may go away in about the same time frame as retina display power consumption declines.

Anybody know about the power consumption and resolution specs of IGZO displays?

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Apple will bring a high-resolution Retina display to its 13-inch MacBook Pro with a product update set to launch this October, according to one insider.
Analyst Ming-Chi Kuo of KGI shared in a note with AppleInsider on Thursday that he expects Apple to ramp up production of a 13-inch next-generation MacBook Pro with Retina display in September.

Even though I think this rumor has a reasonable expectation of becoming reality, I really think its a stretch to call Kuo an "insider". He's analyst, and I don't know from this article whether Kuo is reported what he heard from another source, repeating an unattributed rumor, or simply spinning a rumor of his own. How is his opinion a more informed one than say, mine?

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Apple will bring a high-resolution Retina display to its 13-inch MacBook Pro with a product update set to launch this October, according to one insider.
Analyst Ming-Chi Kuo of KGI shared in a note with AppleInsider on Thursday that he expects Apple to ramp up production of a 13-inch next-generation MacBook Pro with Retina display in September. That would allow the product to hit stores in early October, in time for the holiday shopping season.
Kuo was the first to indicate that Apple would retire its 17-inch MacBook Pro, and that the 15-inch next-generation MacBook Pro with Retina display would be sold alongside the previous-generation MacBook Pro with lower-resolution display and thicker design. Both of those details proved true this week at Apple's Worldwide Developers Conference.
Apple has the "highest hopes" for the new 13-inch MacBook Pro with Retina display, according to Kuo. But Apple was likely unable to unveil the new product at WWDC this week because of a low yield rate and greater assembly difficulty, he said.
Like the next-generation Retina display MacBook Pro, the 13-inch variety is expected to lack an optical disc drive and rely solely on solid-state flash memory storage. Kuo expects the screen to have a resolution of 2,560 by 1,600 pixels, and he said the 13-inch model will be slightly thinner than the 15-inch model, at 18 millimeters.
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The next-generation 13-inch MacBook Pro is not expected to have discrete graphics like its 15-inch counterpart, but will instead rely on Intel HD 4000 integrated graphics. Kuo also expects it to have an Intel Ivy Bridge processor with a clock speed greater than 2 gigahertz.
As for the just-released 15-inch Retina display MacBook Pro, Kuo said that Apple should have about 300,000 units of the next-generation notebook available to sell this month, a number that he called a "moderate" amount.

Who is Kuo?  Did he take over for Phil Schiller or Tim Cook? I don't know if I would EXPECT him to have knowledge of what Apple is doing anymore than myself, because if someone at Apple has told him and he is under NDA, then he violated NDA.  Now, if Kuo isn't under NDA, and people at Apple told him, why would they tell HIM other than everyone else?  This "EXPECTATION" doesn't make sense to me UNLESS APPLE has made that specific announcement.  Is KUO 100% accurate 100% of the time with his predictions on product launches?  Where are they getting these specific specifications from?  Are you sure they can have a fast enough screen redraw with just the 4000 and no NVIDEA chip?  I don't know if they can do that and I don't know if they have enough room.  Come on.

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Looking at the current pricing scheme, I can guess that the 13" MBPR will start at $1,599

 

Here are the patterns:

 

13" MBP starts at $1199

15" MBP starts at $1799

 

15" MBPR starts at $2199

 

Price difference between the 13" and 15" = $600

Price difference between the 15" MBP and MBPR = $400

Production costs for larger displays increase faster than size. Proportionately, the 13.3" retina display should add about $350 to the cost, but because the 15.4" retina is disproportionately more expensive, the 13.3" retina display might cost only $300 more. If 13.3" retinas can be produced from 15.4" rejects, the cost might be even less. That would put the starting price for a 13.3" MBPR at $1499 (or possibly less).

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Integrated graphics = worthless.


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Production costs for larger displays increase faster than size. Proportionately, the 13.3" retina display should add about $350 to the cost, but because the 15.4" retina is disproportionately more expensive, the 13.3" retina display might cost only $300 more. If 13.3" retinas can be produced from 15.4" rejects, the cost might be even less. That would put the starting price for a 13.3" MBPR at $1499 (or possibly less).

 

I wouldn't hold my breath on that.  Apple is KNOWN to hyper-inflate things.  For example: It costs Apple a few extra dollars to use 32GB instead of 16GB.  Yet, they charge a whopping $100 extra.  It costs them a few extra dollars for increased RAM capacity.  They charge a whopping $100 for 4 extra GB of RAM.
 

So if it costs Apple $10 more, expect to pay $200 more.

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Have you used the machine and made this observation from experience?

Of course not. He's just one of the trolls who frequents this forum and never passes up an opportunity to spew FUD.
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I was moments away from buying a 13" Air because they didn't redesign the 13" MBP. Now, I wait another couple months.

 

It would make sense to me to release a 13" Pro BEFORE school starts in the fall but... that obviously isn't the case. 

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This is going to get interesting.  Clearly, Apple will do away with the old-style 13 MBP at some point.  But, what about the 13 Air?  Can Apple have both the 13 Air and 13 Retina in the product line?  I think the 13 Air will be gone before the old-style 13.  In this case, I am guessing Schiller will follow the same specs and pricing strategy for the 13 Retinas as the 13 Airs.  So, two models with same processors as the old-style 13 MBPs, no discrete graphics.  Lower model with 4GB onboard RAM and 128GB SSD at $1,199. Upper model with 8GB RAM and 256GB SSD (option for 512GB) at $1,499.

 

Apples-to-apples, the Retina 13 will be cheaper than the old-style 13.  Just as it is with the 15 MBPs.  They will sell a ton of these at Christmas.

 

You would be guessing wrong.  The Air uses Intel ULV chips which only have 17W TDP.  The chips being used in the MBP are 35W and 45W chips.  It will break down like this.  For the next year we will have the old style MBPs that still have the optical drives in them.  Later this year, the 13" Retina MBP and (maybe) a 17" Retina MBP are released.  Next year when Haswell comes out, the old MBPs w/the ODD in them are toast and all the MBPs are on the Retina line. 

 

13" and 15" MBA w/Haswell ULV chips, integrated graphics, lower capacity SSD and 4-8GB RAM.

13", 15" (and maybe 17") MBP Retina w/Haswell mobile processors, high speed discrete graphics, high capacity (up to 1TB) SSD and 16-32GB RAM.

 

I do agree the Retina MBPs will sell like hotcakes.  I'm curious to see how the new iMacs and Mini's shape up.  The new Mini will get a nice kick in the pants from the Ivy Bridge integrated graphics.  I have the mid-grade 2011 model w/the boosted ggraphics already, so I won't be replacing.  Something to consider tho.  I don't expect this year's iMac to get Retina, yields must be very low so early in the process.  Haswell update tho?  Maybe.  I could see Retina as a BTO option on both size top end models at that point.

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How do you know it won't have one?

 

I don't.  I'm just saying that if doesn't have a discrete GPU I still wont consider the 13" MBPR.  Which won't upset Apple much since it means an upsell to the 15" MBP as intended.  Well, maybe.  If I can't get a discrete GPU anyway I might as well get a MBA.

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If not this fall, you’ll probably get a dGPU on next year 13". Haswell CPU will embed all the voltage regulation logic, and the chipset should feature a Thunderbolt controller, both of which are currently handled by external circuitry. This extra freed space should be enough to fit a dGPU in the already crammed PCB.
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I wouldn't but much faith in what one analyst says. This is completely stupid anyway because the Airs haven't even been out a week yet. What an idiot.
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Is there an integrated GPU that is powerful enough to drive a 2560X1600 screen?

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FIrst off, if Appleinsider hasn't checked with Apple for a validation on this, I would NOT have released this article.  It has too many specifics without being validated BY APPLE.  What's Kuo's track record? 

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