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Or, MS is saying to OEMs "you cannot blackmail us with Android, because we will make our own". It is hardly a secret that, outside of Nokia, other OEMs did Windows Phone 7 just as "mee-too", but without much enthysiasm. I think MS simply tried to avoid this repeating with tablets. I think they are also trying to set standards and avoid/minimize market being overtaken by low quality product that would, on the long run, have more potential to damage than to benefit platform. It is a message to OEMs: If you want to sell this, you'll have to be at least as good as we are.

 

Re competition, it is normal in Windows market. MS does keyboards and mice, so does anyone else making PCs. So does Logitech, Genius, Cherry, Razer, Steel Series, Corsair... none of them gave up on making Windows PC peripherals just because MS does.

yeah but this is very different. MS does not make its own desktops or laptops.

 

if by some miracle W8 tablets become popular, the OEM's will crank out their own models eventually. but right now MS has iced the market, unless they price theirs at premium levels leaving room for others to hit a lower price market tier. and MS is charging them $85 for a license! so very few OEM's are going to take a risk on Windows tablets this year. we might see some OEM models for Xmas, but the production runs will be small.

 

of course, Redmond may already have already realized there was very little OEM interest in W8 anyway, and thus decided to go it alone very recently. this whole event had a feeling of being rushed and half-baked.

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The art of engineering.

 

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Speaking as someone who's opened up a bazillion computers over the years ... this picture is complete shite.  

If I had a product with such crap engineering inside, the last thing I would do is show an exploded diagram of it

 

But then if I was Microsoft coming out with this product today I'd be so ashamed I would quit the company.  Not because it isn't good, but because it's just so obviously ripped off.  Every single aspect of this thing is some kind of rip-off of Apple.  Everything.  

 

They even managed to refer to plain old drop forged magnesium (you know the metal that Apple made popular in computer design ten years ago), as "liquid metal."

 

They make Samsung look like they were just fooling around, and not copying Apple at all in comparison. 

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I'm sure there's a job out there he can excel at.

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"Ballmer introduced the new device, likening it to the Xbox 360 in that it has a strong synthesis of software and hardware that push each other to new limits."

 

This new device is also like the devices, albeit not as elegant, made by a famous company that's known for creating products with tight integration of hardware and software.  I wonder what company this is...

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They could have really killed it with XBox integration. But in typical Microsoft fashion they half-assed it. Where's the content? Where's the battery life? Where's the ship date? Where's the price?


Consider that Asus Zenbook Prime ultrabook already packs full-HD IPS screen, i5 CPU and 8 hours of battery life... in device that doesn't seem to have more volume than this tablet. Probably less, considering mechanical keyboard.

 

There were talks about Xbox integration, and I don't think we have seen last of it. Such integration is only one OS patch away (or one downloadable app), and MS is a software company. Unless you expect to play Xbox games on tablet?

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The worst thing that could happen to MS isn't Apple or their iPad. 

 

It's Android.

 

Ask OEMs. 

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A lot of people are going to look at this and wonder why they need both an iPad and a MacBook when they can have one device that does both things for much less money. 
How do you know it will be MUCH LESS money? Microsoft didn't announce a price. They didn't announce a lot of things actually, including whether it had 4G wireless.

In order to do as much as the iPad and MacBook, you would have to have at a minimum the "Pro" version. For a company that is only sticking their toe into the hardware market, to price that thing in the same ballpark as a MacBook and an iPad, with all the same features, and without economy of scale, I think they would be hard pressed to meet all the same price points, at least substantially.

Don't get me wrong, I think it addresses the needs of a lot of PC users, I just can't see it putting anybody out of business.

The one thing it has going for it, is that at least the Pro model comes with a universe of software that already runs on Windows. The consumer model will have a much harder sell.

But iOS has such a lead in Enterprise I don't see IS departments ditching their iPad investment anytime soon to move over to Windows. Maybe if the iPad fails to address a business' concerns in the future ... But it definitely will give PC centric companies a choice going forward ...
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Looks like the Engineer in Prometheus

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Remember when Microsoft announced Zune?  They matched the then-current iPod price.

And Apple immediately dropped their iPod price by $100.  

BOOM.

 

Will be interesting to see if Apple does the same thing when Microsoft announces Surface prices.

It's certain that Apple knew there would eventually be a serious iPad clone.  Surface might be the one.

They could be planning exactly the same pricing tactic.

 

But who knows?  Microsoft might undercut iPad pricing.  They're used to shoveling cash into bottomless money pits.

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Balmer practising for his next career as a waiter if this thing tanks lol

 

Ballmer's next career will be what his first one should've been: wearing a chicken suit and selling used cars.

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Kudos to MS for (1) keeping a secret and (b) hiring someone who knows how to make a product launch video that doesn't make Tim and Eric cringe.  

 

I thought Surface as going to be table-sized and made by Samsung? 

 

I'm most skeptical abou the keyboard/cover, and while the USB port is nice, no one needs to hook a printer directly to a tablet.  The SD slot is nicer, hope Apple is listening.  I'd give up 15 min of battery life for an SD slot on an iPad.  Then again as an iPad is the least-dockable iOS device, I'd go to a micro USB like Kindle.  If any.  Since 5.x devices can sync wirelessly, the only reason for a cable is charging and micro USB does that just fine on every other device.  

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History repeats itself. If it first you don't succeed, dump another bilion dollars into it and watch it fail again. Ballmer the monkey boy losing more money for M$.
Anyone remember this POS?

 

Not forgetting this little beauty from 2010 - the HP Slate. They really shifted those babies.

 

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I wish them well, but fail to see how their hardware will outsell anyone else's if any OEM can license W8 on hardware that can have a hundred other ideas/forms/feature sets.  And the way to get a good idea is to have lots of them.  

 

XBOX succeeds as MS hardware because they don't license the OS to anyone else.  That's not the case here, and I suspect it's the one thing they glossed over in the meetings when they were hell bent on leapfrogging the iPad.  

 

They continually want to be Apple.  Envy is not the same as competition, and to truly be the leviathan they are used to being, they need to supress that urge.  

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The worst thing that could happen to MS isn't Apple or their iPad. 

 

It's Android.

 

 

The third-worst thing that could happen to Android (in the pad space) has already happened: the Amazon fork of Android 2.3.

 

The second-worst thing that could happen to Android (in the pad space) is inevitable: Samsung either forks Android or dumps it for Tizen.

Just to get rid of all that Google spying and adspam.

 

And the #1 worst thing that can and will happen to Android in the pad space?  

Wait for it...

 

Chrome OS.  Google execs have publicly stated that Chrome OS is the future, and that Android is not essential to Google's future success.

Google simply can't break out of web-page-think, where everything looks like a web page with pay-for-placement search results and banner ads.

Chrome OS is their only hope for making that happen on a mobile device of their own design.

 

So no, MS isn't worried about Android in the iPad clone space.  Neither is Apple.

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Ah yes.  The HP Slate 500.

 

I hear they sold a whopping 9,000 before the project was canceled.

Could be worth a lot of money in 50 or 100 years.  Plenty of potential collector value.

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I thought Surface as going to be table-sized and made by Samsung? 

 

That's "Big-A** Table."

 

Surface is "Small-A** Table."  Whole different thing.

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post #219 of 505
Fail on Price, Fail on LTE and Fail on Battery Life. The RT not being retina is competing price wise with the $399 iPad 2 and the pro will get crush by cheap ultra books. IMHO no chance against the iPad because of the apps but android can get beat by win8 tablet productivity in the work place...

Also I don't like 16:9 on 19" tablets only works for movies for everything else it sucks...
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 Congratulations Microsoft on making your first prototype.  Maybe they can answer the same questions shot at apple like: how hot does it get; can you use it under direct sunlight; is the screen less reflective; is it 4g compatible; what about the camera specs; can I load android software and windows software; whats the resolution; does it dictate; is the keyboard lit for low light; is it serviceable; is it a better green product; does your factory have good working conditions; whats the price; who gets to sell it; does it come with a chinese compatible browser; Will it come with a new Internet Explorer; what companies are going to make games for it; will it come in a bigger size; how long of a battery life does it have; does it have tracking software; can I mirror the screen onto my TV; how do I transfer files to it or from it; will the signal reception drop if I hold it a certain way; can you engrave it; what kind of discount do you give to students; Can I use it without the keyboard; is the screen scratch proof; can I use a stylus; how do I load movies on it; is it airprint compatible; can I transfer my apps to it; can I skype; can I watch tv; can I upload pictures from my DSLR; Can I use itunes to sync all my music onto it; how do I hook it to the video input of the class overhead screen; whats the warrantee; do I need a 2 year contract; does it have GPS; Can I make calls; How do you configure mail; does it have bluetooth; what does it cost to replace the battery; can I go to sites with flash; can I use a mouse with it; do I need a converter when I travel outside of united states; will it set itself on fire on the plane; does it take a normal size sim card; does it come in white; when will the next version come out; is it faster than an ipad and nook; can I use kindle on it;  how do I transfer my contacts; have you done a drop test; is it weather proofed; what accessories are available; whats your return policy if I don't like it; Can I tether my phone or camera; what languages does it come with; Can I run more than one app at a time; what are the limitations of your tablet; whats the software situation; what would Steve Job think of it;  would you say it is a substitute to the PC; what protection do I have against viruses; How do I make it read stories to my kid; what kind of photography software can I use to edit my photos; do you have any art programs; will Word and Excel be standard; Where can I demo it; Do you sell demos; whats the difference between and Ivy and a Arm; If I accidentally placed a hot pan on the screen will it melt; will your AC adapter plug into other appliances; How do I clean the screen and keyboard; can I connect my thunderbolt drive; how many USB 3.0 does it have; Does it have a lockable screen; Does it have parental control over purchases; Can I use it as a second monitor;  will it update my mail automatically while in sleep mode; can I switch between google maps and apple maps; does it have something similar to Siri; Which car manufacturers are interested implementing your tablets; Do you have benchmark we can look and compare with; what is it worth used; what is the actual cost of making your tablet; Do you have suicides at your plant and how are you compensating the families; If presented your wife her choice of your tablet or a ipad, which would she choose.

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With apologies to the late Peter Boyle:

 

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 Congratulations Microsoft on making your first prototype.  Maybe they can answer the same questions shot at apple like: how hot does it get; can you use it under direct sunlight; is the screen less reflective; is it 4g compatible; what about the camera specs; can I load android software and windows software; whats the resolution; does it dictate; is the keyboard lit for low light; is it serviceable; is it a better green product; does your factory have good working conditions; whats the price; who gets to sell it; does it come with a chinese compatible browser; Will it come with a new Internet Explorer; what companies are going to make games for it; will it come in a bigger size; how long of a battery life does it have; does it have tracking software; can I mirror the screen onto my TV; how do I transfer files to it or from it; will the signal reception drop if I hold it a certain way; can you engrave it; what kind of discount do you give to students; Can I use it without the keyboard; is the screen scratch proof; can I use a stylus; how do I load movies on it; is it airprint compatible; can I transfer my apps to it; can I skype; can I watch tv; can I upload pictures from my DSLR; Can I use itunes to sync all my music onto it; how do I hook it to the video input of the class overhead screen; whats the warrantee; do I need a 2 year contract; does it have GPS; Can I make calls; How do you configure mail; does it have bluetooth; what does it cost to replace the battery; can I go to sites with flash; can I use a mouse with it; do I need a converter when I travel outside of united states; will it set itself on fire on the plane; does it take a normal size sim card; does it come in white; when will the next version come out; is it faster than an ipad and nook; can I use kindle on it;  how do I transfer my contacts; have you done a drop test; is it weather proofed; what accessories are available; whats your return policy if I don't like it; Can I tether my phone or camera; what languages does it come with; Can I run more than one app at a time; what are the limitations of your tablet; whats the software situation; what would Steve Job think of it;  would you say it is a substitute to the PC; what protection do I have against viruses; How do I make it read stories to my kid; what kind of photography software can I use to edit my photos; do you have any art programs; will Word and Excel be standard; Where can I demo it; Do you sell demos; whats the difference between and Ivy and a Arm; If I accidentally placed a hot pan on the screen will it melt; will your AC adapter plug into other appliances; How do I clean the screen and keyboard; can I connect my thunderbolt drive; how many USB 3.0 does it have; Does it have a lockable screen; Does it have parental control over purchases; Can I use it as a second monitor;  will it update my mail automatically while in sleep mode; can I switch between google maps and apple maps; does it have something similar to Siri; Which car manufacturers are interested implementing your tablets; Do you have benchmark we can look and compare with; what is it worth used; what is the actual cost of making your tablet; Do you have suicides at your plant and how are you compensating the families; If presented your wife her choice of your tablet or a ipad, which would she choose.

 What the hell did you type this on? Its full of semicolons and is very hard to read...ever hear of paragraphs?

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post #223 of 505

What a terrible product. It makes no sense at all. Let's see. It's inferior to a laptop and it's inferior to a tablet. It's trying to be too many things at once, and it does none good.

 

A Mac laptop is way better, because of a real, much better keyboard, a much larger, superior trackpad and you can angle the screen any which way you want to. There isn't a fucking kickstand hanging out from behind your device. The side view of the MS tablet looks disgusting. I'm about to throw up here. I'll choose any Mac laptop over this MS tablet any day of the week.

 

An iPad is way better as a tablet due to a number of reasons. Firstly, the screen ratio on an iPad is much better and it doesn't discriminate against portrait mode, unlike most Android tablets and these MS tablets. An iPad can be used in any orientation you please. Widescreen tablets look retarded in portrait mode, way too narrow. Why would I want to type on that flimsy looking MS keyboard when I have an Apple bluetooth keyboard that I already pair with my iPads? Am I trying to step down in quality or something? Am I looking for a worse typing experience or something? 

 

I doubt that I'm going to sell my far superior laptops and far superior tablets so that I can switch to a mediocre device that tries to do it all, but accomplishes those tasks worse than what's already out there on the market. And just for the record, I find the Asus prime tablets to be useless too. I'm not a fan of those tablets that try to be laptops too.  It's a stupid idea made for people who just don't get it.

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Of course the Microsoft Surface tablet has a keyboard.

 

How else are you going to hit ctrl-alt-del?

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 What the hell did you type this on? Its full of semicolons and is very hard to read...ever hear of paragraphs?

i think he is trying to make a certain point.

post #226 of 505

best summary of the tablet market ever:

 

http://www.geekculture.com/joyoftech/joyarchives/1704.html

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Interestingly, my local broadsheet has labelled this as an "iPad challenger" rather than "iPad killer".
 

Android challenger seems more apt...

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I'm sure there's a job out there he can excel at.

Looks like it's time for a remake…

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Might be better than Tom Cruise; I dunno.
post #229 of 505
I'm a civil engineer ad I get everything done while on the rode in the iPad. Cad, planing software, etc... This notion that the iPad is not a laptop replacement is from non Ipswich users. The camera kit gives me USB support and there are tons of keyboard for typing. Everything else is in the app store both normal and professional apps. I use a win 7 machine on he office I I can do the same hung on bit desktop and iPad.

IMHO the winRT laptop will be useless for years until it get the apps the iPad have..
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"Ballmer introduced the new device, likening it to the Xbox 360 in that it has a strong synthesis of software and hardware that push each other to new limits."

 

This new device is also like the devices, albeit not as elegant, made by a famous company that's known for creating products with tight integration of hardware and software.  I wonder what company this is...

 

See, the irony of that statement, is that Ballmer was the one who opposed the Xbox. He opposed Microsoft getting into the console hardware business. He argued in favor of beating the Sony PlayStation by licensing [the version of] Windows OS [for what became Xbox] to Dell. Basically, he wanted to regurgitate Microsoft's licensing strategy that helped them to beat Macintosh in the 80s and 90s, except on consoles.

 

Ballmer also opposed the Courier tablet, which, if actually built, would be undeniably original and different. But no, they put their money on iPad clone design running Windows.

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And Bomber waddled out on the stage trying to look like an Apple guy for this? No wonder the CEO of Nokia is being driven home by security guards... Given that Bomber is going into the hardware business and Nokia collapses, where does that leave Dell, Acer, Asus, HP, etc..???? It's gonna get bloody...

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What is your point?

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Ok I just watched the minute long Surface commercial and not once did they actually show the operating system being used. I saw a bunch of liquid metal wanna be pebbles and I saw a cover magnetically attach to the device. That was it. No shot of anyone typing on the keyboard or using the touch screen. If the whole point of Windows Surface is its not a "toy" or just a consumption device this ad certainly failed too show off any of the productive capabilities of the device. If this keyboard integrated into the cover was all that why not show someone typing on it with ease?
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What is your point?

Collectively? Probably "Thanks for killing Android tablets for Apple, Microsoft."
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i think he is trying to make a certain point.

 

That actually makes sense now...I'm a little slow at 11PM... lol.gif

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Whoops the Surface crashed already during the presentation, ah well just grab another one!

 

I guess the "RT" stands for "Reboot Time!"

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Ok I just watched the minute long Surface commercial and not once did they actually show the operating system being used. I saw a bunch of liquid metal wanna be pebbles and I saw a cover magnetically attach to the device. That was it. No shot of anyone typing on the keyboard or using the touch screen. If the whole point of Windows Surface is its not a "toy" or just a consumption device this ad certainly failed too show off any of the productive capabilities of the device. If this keyboard integrated into the cover was all that why not show someone typing on it with ease?

 

That commercial was clearly supposed to be gadget porn. They're trying to give it an aura of clever design and rich, high quality materials. Somebody desperately wants their commercial to say, "See? We can out-Apple Apple!"

 

A shame. Microsoft could have shipped Courier tablet instead. But I think they're deathly afraid of a post-PC era without Windows.

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post #238 of 505
Okay, I just saw the video.

Am I supposed to be laughing? Because I'm laughing.

I'm not sure that was their intent. There were way too many "Wait a minute…" moments in that video.

Good stuff.
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I'll assume that the i5 Surface will "compete" with the MacBook Air.  That is going to be a battle to watch.  I won't be buying any MS shares.

 

As for the Stance pic of Balmer, that really shows his taste level.  Someone needs to take him aside and tell him that made-to-measure shirts CAN improve his appearance.  Same with finding a decent pair of pants.

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On the Win8 RT ecosystem, absolutely.
Then there is the issue of Win8 apps for x86 running on that CULV processor that is possibly under-clocked and with less RAM than most Windows apps are designed around. There will be confusion.
 

Windws 8 is not RT

Underclocked?  less ram?  evidence?

 

you mean that it wont run itunees nicely.?  the worst, most bloated windows software ever?

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