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Riding a wave of momentum generated by the Surface tablet unveiling on Monday, Microsoft will be outlining plans for Windows Phone 8 on Wednesday as part of the company's push to take on Apple and Google in the mobile market.

The Redmond, Wash.-based tech giant is slated to discuss the next-generation Windows Phone 8 at a two-day long developer summit in San Francisco, with anticipated topics ranging from multi-core mobile CPU support to tighter device integration across the Windows environment.

Unlike Monday's Surface tablet event which was teased late last week, the upcoming developers conference was announced a month ago and Microsoft has been relatively tight-lipped about what to expect, reports CNET. It is clear that the company will be focusing on its mobile OS as the invitations sent to press outlets were from Microsoft's Windows Phone unit and depicts a mobile device sporting a Golden Gate Bridge background image.

Rumors surrounding the event point to the announcement of Windows Phone 8, the next-gen mobile operating system that is widely speculated to support multi-core processors. This would be a step up from the current single-core units like the Qualcomm Snapdragon SoCs used in handsets like Nokia's Lumia series. Because developers play a key role in writing the multi-threading code necessary to deploy software in multi-core devices, the topic will likely be broached during the summit.

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Windows Phone Developer Summit invitation. | Source: CNET


While the basic UI of Windows Phone 8 will be much the same as the current Windows Phone 7, Ina Fried of All Things D points out that the core operating system kernels will be totally different. She notes that Windows Phone 7 is based on the legacy Windows CE platform Microsoft stripped down to battle Palm when smartphones were in their infancy, while the as-yet-unannounced Windows Phone 8 will likely be built on the Windows NT core that has been at the heart of every desktop iteration of the OS since Windows XP. Further extending the NT kernel's reach is Windows 8, the OS that will power next-generation tablets like Microsoft's own Surface, but desktops, laptops and the new Ultrabook specification as well.

Fried makes an astute point in saying that developers won't have much of a problem porting their software to a variety of devices running Windows 8, though this raises the question as to whether the OS can be pared down enough to run smoothly on respective hardware. Software written for Windows Phone 7 should have no problem running on Windows Phone 8 as Microsoft didn't allow developers to write code directly to the kernel and instead forced them to use Silverlight and XNA.

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Windows 8 screenshot. | Source: Microsoft


With Windows 8 Microsoft will have an operating system that will underpin a set of devices that runs the hardware gamut but it remains to be seen whether it will be a true one-OS ecosystem that is both stable and non-fragmented. This is the type of tight system integration that Apple is moving toward with iOS 6 and OS X Mountain Lion albeit in a more indirect way with discrete mobile and desktop operating systems.

Also rumored to make an appearance at the event tomorrow is near field communication (NFC) hardware support similar to Android's Google Wallet service. Apple has expressed interest in NFC with hirings and patents though it is unknown if the iPhone maker plans to include the technology into future version of its popular handset.

As the exact feature set of the next-generation Windows Phone awaits official announcement, some analysts predict that sales of the Microsoft-powered wireless devices will outpace those of the iPhone by 2016. The most current figures showed a 0.4 percent drop for smartphones running Windows Phone 7 during the month of April, though an expected fall 2012 launch for the Windows 8 ecosystem could drum up demand.
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1) This is odd. I would have done one event to kickoff the developer's summit that covered all the upcoming HW and SW.

2) So all those developers and vendors that supported WinPh7, based on WinCE, will be getting the shaft as MS moves to WinPh8, based on WinNT, or are they compensating them in some way to retain their support?

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Can't they just do this all at once?

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Riding a wave of momentum generated by the Surface tablet unveiling on Monday...

 

You're kidding, right?  A wave of momentum?  ...only if you mean wave as in waving buh-bye to any possible momentum.

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Riding a wave of momentum?!?! More like a small splash... 

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What gets my goat is all the pundits who think Microsoft will just waltz in and take it all away from Apple overnight. If it were that easy wouldn't they have done it by now? 

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You're kidding, right?  A wave of momentum?  ...only if you mean wave as in waving buh-bye to any possible momentum.

I feel as though it's more like a hangover. Last night that thread was buzzing with all sorts of stuff. Today? Petered out in the morning light, even.

It's as though everyone took another look at "what they did last night" and said, "Never again, never again…"

And before you ask, yes, the cheap whore was Ballmer.

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2) So all those developers and vendors that supported WinPh7, based on WinCE, will be getting the shaft as MS moves to WinPh8, based on WinNT, or are they compensating them in some way to retain their support?

 

Microsoft has already said publicly that all WP7 apps will run on WP8.

 

I don't see developers being too dismayed at a development change, since the rumor is that Windows Phone 8 development will be based on Windows 8 development, resulting in a much higher ability to reuse code across platforms.
 

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That looks very much like a Galaxy Nexus. Are they going with Samsung instead of Nokia?
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I'm anxiously waiting to hear if those 3% of Windows Phone owners are going to be abandoned, or if they will be able ot upgrade to Win8.  That, IMHO, will be a major indicator - if you bought a Windows Phone and you are abandoned, that is going to buy a whole lot of ill-will.  This is something that is not unknown to MSFT - so it will be interesting to see what happens.

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oh yeah! what a "Wave of Momentum"! a rushed promise-ware Surface tablet announcement with almost no important details (but it's got a kickstand!), followed by yet more hype, building on WinPhone 7.5's huge flop and Nokia's resulting death spiral!! 

 

wow, with more "momentum" like this MS could totally lose its butt!! just call me "some analyst" too. or even just "some dude." all the same in web "journalism."

 

i like their strategy. i like it a lot.

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I'm anxiously waiting to hear if those 3% of Windows Phone owners are going to be abandoned, or if they will be able ot upgrade to Win8.  That, IMHO, will be a major indicator - if you bought a Windows Phone and you are abandoned, that is going to buy a whole lot of ill-will.  This is something that is not unknown to MSFT - so it will be interesting to see what happens.

LOL. Reminds me of their 'Playforsure' (or whatever-the-heck it was called) fiasco when the Zune (remember that?) was introduced.

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LOL. Reminds me of their 'Playforsure' (or whatever-the-heck it was called) fiasco when the Zune (remember that?) was introduced.

Playsforsure predates the zune by a year or so.  It was designed as a unified DRM for other players (a DRM platform).  I don’t think that the Zune even supported Playsforsure.

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Will the Windows phones come with a little rubber keyboard and a kickstand? Will there be a "pro" version too? 

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What gets my goat is all the pundits who think Microsoft will just waltz in and take it all away from Apple overnight. If it were that easy wouldn't they have done it by now? 

 

Reasonable point.  It won't be easy at all.  

 

And I don't think that M$ will ever "kill" either Apple or its tablet.  But I never bet against Microsoft - or Apple - so I think that they will both do well. 

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Riding a wave of momentum following the announcement of their Unicorn PC-Slablet with no ship date or price? There might be a wave to ride if they were actually selling these devices and people were lining up to get them. I guess the wave here is a the ripple created by dropping a pebble in the pond.
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I have yet to see a real, live person using a Windows phone in the wild. I'm sure they exist, just haven't ran into one yet. 

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Playsforsure predates the zune by a year or so.  It was designed as a unified DRM for other players (a DRM platform).  I don’t think that the Zune even supported Playsforsure.

 

Playsforsure was Micro$oft's attempt to kill the iPod with FUD in 2004. When that didn't work they rebadged the Toshiba Gigabeat as the Zune in 2006.

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Reasonable point.  It won't be easy at all.  

 

And I don't think that M$ will ever "kill" either Apple or its tablet.  But I never bet against Microsoft - or Apple - so I think that they will both do well. 

 

I've been betting against Microsoft for nearly a decade now. 

 

They make it easy. The secret: Ballmer. 

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" This is the type of tight system integration that Apple is moving toward with iOS 6 and OS X Mountain Lion albeit in a more indirect way with discrete mobile and desktop operating systems."

 

iOS & OSX aren't really that discreet.  The underlying core technologies & architecture of both operating systems are, for the most part, unified.  It's the UI layer that differentiates them.  I definitely see Apple, in the not too distant future, allowing developers develop Universal Apps for iPhone, iPad, & the Mac.  This is pretty much what MS is doing with Windows 8.

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Can't they just do this all at once?

Sure they could have. I haven't been paying attention but what it known in advance thT Google was doing an announcement today. Because that coukd be why MS didn't do it all together. They wanted their strategy and tablets 'out' first. Same as Google rushing their Maps announcement out to be before Apple

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No wonder these phones have 4.5 inch monster screens. Nearly a quarter of my usable screen space is taken up by the word:

apps

I mean, on the off chance that I don't know what the hell I'm looking at.

Better safe than sorry, right?

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That looks very much like a Galaxy Nexus. Are they going with Samsung instead of Nokia?


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Secrecy over a phone that nobody wants?

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Secrecy over a phone that nobody wants?

Not a phone - a new phone OS

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If they add a kickstand, I'll sell my iPhone.

If they add a physical keyboard, I'll sell my iPad.

If they add a stylus, I'll sell my MBA and exit the Apple camp totally!

 

Oh wait.

 

No, I won't.

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A developers conference in San Francisco. My god, can't MIcro-slouch do ANYTHING without copying Apple?
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I can see Microsoft having at least moderate success with WP8. WP8 will install on all WP7 phones and, apparently, WP7's market share as of Q2 2012 is now 3 or 4% - double (or more, depending) than the 1.5% they held in Q1 - it's speculated that it has already overtaken blackberry in the USA. Its rising surprisingly fast and I think Nokia is to thank for it: Lumia handsets keep going out of stock in the UK they're in such demand, especially the white and cyan (why I ended up getting a black one).

 

I love Apple (hence why I'm here) but some good competition from something more competent than Android would really spice up Apple's game.

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No wonder these phones have 4.5 inch monster screens. Nearly a quarter of my usable screen space is taken up by the word:

apps

I mean, on the off chance that I don't know what the hell I'm looking at.

Better safe than sorry, right?

It all scales up and down very nicely. Not all apps have it and it doesn't take up that much space where space is essential. The settings, for example, has "system" and "applications" at the top of the screen and it only takes up about 1/13th of total screen real estate. It actually takes up less space than the title bar in iOS. The media player, however, does have "music+videos" written over the top 1/5th of the screen. But once you select music, video, podcast (etc.) it goes away and is replaced with the 1/13th size text for albums, artists, playlist and so forth. The big titles are reserved for title screens (obviously). I've yet to see text that big in a the main body of an application.

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I have yet to see a real, live person using a Windows phone in the wild. I'm sure they exist, just haven't ran into one yet. 

I've seen two Nokia users in person (one blue, one pink - 900 and 800 respectively). If you count me (black 900) and my cousin (HTC Titan), that's four.

Saying "I haven't seen one in the wild" is a bad way to decide on the overall popularity of a handset, though. Android is supposed to be the most popular OS with the Samsung Galaxy range being the most popular android handsets. I've seen about 3 androids in the wild in the past month, five if you include my brother and his wife. I've actually seen more blackberries in the wild than Android and WP! iPhones are just another story best described with "One mother of a big number".

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That looks very much like a Galaxy Nexus. Are they going with Samsung instead of Nokia?

Samsung, HTC and Nokia are all making WinPhone handsets. Though, it does seem odd how they are using a Sammy to advertise this event rather than a Nokia, given how strong their partnership is.

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1) This is odd. I would have done one event to kickoff the developer's summit that covered all the upcoming HW and SW.
2) So all those developers and vendors that supported WinPh7, based on WinCE, will be getting the shaft as MS moves to WinPh8, based on WinNT, or are they compensating them in some way to retain their support?

It would have made a lot more sense if they introduced the hardware and software together, rather than a big hush hush event at the last minute that seemed rather rushed and out of place.

As I'm sure someone has already pointed out, WP7 apps are made using a framework; the framework will be part of Windows Phone 8 so the only thing the programmer(s) will have to do (if Microsoft have redone the framework correctly) is recompile with the "Windows Phone 8" button checked and go make a cup of tea whilst their computer chugs away in the background.

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I have yet to see a real, live person using a Windows phone in the wild. I'm sure they exist, just haven't ran into one yet. 

I have a Windows Phone, a Samsung Focus S, does that bother you?

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Haha!  "...wave of momentum..."

 

It's more like a "...barely perceptible Surface ripple..."

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Hmmm, this is quite funny http://bit.ly/LcHuA6

 

Enjoy ;-)

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Enjoy ;-)

Why would anyone enjoy that? Note that I didn't bother to listen past the first line of dialogue because it's obviously a mocking "commentary".

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Hmmm, this is quite funny http://bit.ly/LcHuA6

 

Enjoy ;-)

 

If that impresses you, then you are going to LOVE this:

 

http://www.youtube.com/user/SockeyeMedia?v=aGpnYl4OpXk

 

(Yeah, we worked out you were five from your last post)

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If that impresses you, then you are going to LOVE this:

 

http://www.youtube.com/user/SockeyeMedia?v=aGpnYl4OpXk

 

(Yeah, we worked out you were five from your last post)


Very poignient, and should be applied to almost all responces to this thread. Anyway, I see your http://www.youtube.com/user/SockeyeMedia?v=aGpnYl4OpXk and raise you http://bit.ly/rtT4Gn

 

Enjoy

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