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Look at Acer Iconia sales. That'll give you some idea of how the "netbook + tablet hybrid" concept is doing. 

 

You'll note that it isn't really blowing away consumers. I doubt a clever Smart Cover-with-keyboard will make much of a difference. 

 

As I mentioned in my post (which I suppose you read), I have actually tried a few of these OEM hybrids before and have always been dissatisfied for a number of reasons, ranging from the use of TN screens, to the use of resistive touch screens, to lack of proper support from the OS (Windows 7 isn't exactly ideal for a tablet), to lack of mobile connectivity, to lack of GPS, etc.  All the tablets I tried were either too focused into being cheap netbooks with tablet functionality (the overwhelming majority) or tablets with keyboards) or into being too tablet-y thus not resembling a PC at all other then by having a physical keyboard.

 

Microsoft has a chance to change the entire game with Windows 8 and their own tablet here, though.  With software specifically designed with a tablet interface in mind and a tablet specifically designed to take advantage of it, the potential to make the perfect hybrid is there, and there's nothing currently in the market that you can use to predict what it will be like, because what Microsoft is attempting is something genuinely new; they finally grew the balls to come out and tap into a market in which Apple refuses to participate.  They might not have created the tablet market, but they can improve it tremendously.

 

EDIT: Finished the first paragraph.

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Not to mention that the keyboard doesn't actually work, given that Microsoft wouldn't let anyone type on it.

That's a good point that many of the famed tech pundits such as Joshua Topolsky 'forgot' to mention it in their glowing reviews.
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The reality is that the "surface tablet" Microsoft announced doesn't actually exist. It's an open question whether it ever will exist in the exact form they presented.

Another good point and I've read elsewhere that the device might only be sold in the US in Microsoft Stores and online. Regardless, this Unicorn isn't even out the door and most of the pundits are bowing at the feet of Microsoft and saluting Ballmer for a including a keyboard with his new "PC".
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Unfortunately, although a "netbook + tablet hybrid" may not be entirely a solution in search of a problem, buying one will be like buying a Crescent wrench to maintain your car: you'll end up with a lot of stripped nuts, skinned knuckles and it just won't work at all for you in some cases.


Oh... nice analogy! LOL!

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Of course they did. He's still whining like an infant over the fact that he wasn't allowed to blackmail a company with tens of billions of dollars worth of their stolen intellectual property.
"Allies"? Gizmodo is staunchly anti-Apple, and they're banned from all Apple events.

 

I've heard it both ways. Some of my Android-loving friends call them Apple fanboys. And frankly, I don't care.

 

I don't like their site because they have a "we luv gadgets" mentality. It gives rise to focusing on specs, which is what gadget lovers do, but that's not the majority of people buying up iOS devices. Ordinary non-techie people like my mom, my sister. And yeah, Giz writers are f'n immature to the point that they don't deserve to be considered journalists.

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...I think the Lightroom demo was faked and a video...

 

 

Why wasn't the presentation mirrored to the projection screen? (I know, rhetorical question!)

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Not to mention that the keyboard doesn't actually work, given that Microsoft wouldn't let anyone type on it.

 

The reality is that the "surface tablet" Microsoft announced doesn't actually exist. It's an open question whether it ever will exist in the exact form they presented.

Ed Bott over on zdnet... who absolutely HATES anything from Apple, actually had a chance for 10 minutes to type on one, and later write about the experience yesterday.

 

Well... this guy NEVER misses a chance to cozy up to his benefactor MS.... so was I ever surprised to read: NOTHING!

 

NOT. ONE. WORD!

 

I'm going to think it wasn't so hot...because if he even "could have" typed just his name... 6 letters and a space.... he would have been peeing all over his "typewriter" how great the experience was.

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Uh . . .  

 

 

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http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20120619PD224.html

 

http://www.neowin.net/news/acer-founder-claims-microsoft-will-pull-out-of-tablet-market

 

 

Acer founder claims Microsoft will pull out of tablet market
 
Is the whole Surface tablet launch from Microsoft just a ruse to get others to enter the Windows 8 business? That's what the founder of Acer, Stan Shih, said in an interview. According to Digitimes, Shin said that in his opinion, Microsoft has no intention of entering the hardware market and that the Surface tablet is just a ploy by the company.
 
Shih, who retired from Acer in 2004 after forming it in 1976, believes that Microsoft wants to see other hardware vendors offer Windows 8 tablets. In fact, he believes that other PC makers should be encouraged by Microsoft's move as they will benefit from the company's marketing power.
 
Once more PC makers enter the Windows 8 tablet market, Shih says that Microsoft will pull out of the hardware sector. He also says that selling hardware is much less profitable for Microsoft than licensing software to other companies.
 
Shih's argument sounds a little bit like the reaction some people in the game industry had when the original Xbox was revealed in 2000. Some also claimed that the Xbox was just a ruse in order to shake up one of Microsoft's big rivals Sony. In the end, Microsoft ended up with a highly successful hardware and software business with the Xbox.
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The trouble with firing Balmer is that like many corporations in their situation, Microsoft's executives have been purged so many times there isn't any likely person hanging around that can step in and take the CEO's place.  Also, as much as we love to hate him, Balmer actually represents both hope, as well as the days of past glory for Microsoft's board and shareholders.  It's hard to decide to give that up.  

 

The rational thing to do would be to fire Balmer and do a basic re-organisation of the company as is always done in cases like this, paring off the less profitable areas of the company and the bloat and re-focussing on their core strengths.  To do that however, they have to get rid of all the cool stuff like X-Box etc. and turn back into the most boring software company on earth just making regular old windows (updated each year though) and Office.  They could get a bit of pizzaz back by making Office actually compatible, and by extending it's reach into all the other OS's that they previously eschewed, but that's about it.  

 

So ... to get rid of Balmer, they have to basically give up on all their dreams of conquering Apple and the greater PC market. 

 

Not only that, the price of software, especially OS's and productivity software is falling through the floor.  Even if they get back into their core market of software production, they'd have to reduce costs by multiple orders of magnitude just to stay profitable.  

 

Microsoft needs to break apart. They would make a lot more money for their shareholders. Imagine a Microsoft free to make software for every platform (iOS, Android, Mac, Windows, etc.). I would love to see that.

 

They could easily be 3 or 4 different companies, maybe 5.

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That's a good point that many of the famed tech pundits such as Joshua Topolsky 'forgot' to mention it in their glowing reviews.
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The reality is that the "surface tablet" Microsoft announced doesn't actually exist. It's an open question whether it ever will exist in the exact form they presented.
Another good point and I've read elsewhere that the device might only be sold in the US in Microsoft Stores and online. Regardless, this Unicorn isn't even out the door and most of the pundits are bowing at the feet of Microsoft and saluting Ballmer for a including a keyboard with his new "PC".
I had to laugh after the demo when the anti-Apple tards were saying "see Apple, that's how you do a smart cover", and claiming Apple's smart cover just became a dumb cover. Even though none of them actually got to try one of these out to see if it actually works. During the demo did anyone actually type on it or use the trackpad? I'll bet Jony Ive and team have stuff like this sitting in their design studio that will never get released because it might look cool but probably doesn't work.

My question is what makes the "pro" surface tablet more compelling than say a Samsung Series 9 Ultrabook? If the "pro" surface tablet is 2 pounds it probably won't be that comfortable to hold for book reading. Heck when the new iPad came out some complained because it was a bit heavier than the iPad 2. Plus I can't imagine that keyboard accessory matching the quality of a good laptop keyboard/trackpad. I just don't see how this provides the best tablet experience and replaces your laptop.
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Ed Bott over on zdnet... who absolutely HATES anything from Apple, actually had a chance for 10 minutes to type on one, and later write about the experience yesterday.

Well it's possible that the Microsoft Tech Pundit Propaganda machine is starting to show cracks. ZDNet just published a rather scathing article titled, "Surface: Microsoft, What the Hell is Wrong With You?" and George Ou at Byte wrote a predictive piece titled, "Why Microsoft's New Surface Tablet Will Fail".
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Why wasn't the presentation mirrored to the projection screen? (I know, rhetorical question!)


It was made to appear that it was:

 

1) starting at 26:44 where Mike is copying and, quote "....copying a Gigabyte worth of photos to the desktop and then editing them in Lightroom"... I have a problem with

 

2) because opening up LR never finishes, (which to be fair... it doesn't here either, so that can be discarded) and supposedly loading those photos finishes at 26:59... exactly when the screen flickers, zooms in...and the first photo is ready to adjust (15 seconds for a gigabyte of photos...impressive if to be believed?!)

 

3) he apparently zoomed into the picture at 27:13... the mouse moved to the right over exposure adjustment in Develop mode... he's talking about editing the picture... but never does.

 

Whatever. The opening of LR could have been real... but he did nothing to edit the photo, and it had already been previously imported, and NOT from the photos he had just copied to the desktop. I can almost state that as fact. Not 1gb worth.

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Here is OLD Microsoft.   Let's blatantly COPY Apple, but change it enough so we don't get sued, THEN we'll sign a contract with all of the OEM computer mfg where they have to pay for a copy of Windows on each computer whether the computer ships with Windows or not.  THEN, since the PC market is getting hammered by Apple, and the OEMs can't seem to make a competing tablet that actually sells any decent volume, let's design our own tablet and inadvertently sell it against the OEM's Ultrabooks and tablets to screw them over as well.  We're Microsoft and we can do what we want, because if we get sued, then we just have to pay some small amount of money as a cost of doing business, and if they don't, then we get away with it.  Yeah, and they pre-announce the product 3+ months prior.

 

Notice how the one presenter's Surface didn't work and how they wouldn't let the media touch and play around with these floor demos?  Why is that?  Because Windows on these systems probably doesn't work well.  Yeah, probably have to wait until Service Pack 1 or 2 before that happens.

 

I can just see the lawsuits flying now.  Instead of Apple, Sun, and others going after Microsoft for Anti-competition violations, they might get sued by their own OEM partners.

 

If I were HP, Dell, Lenovo, etc. I would have a little pow wow with the attorneys and let the lawsuits fly.  If they want media attention, Microsoft will get it regardless of how.

 

It's one thing to have a competitor make a better product and have more sales, but it's another thing when a long time business partner basically goes after your sales.

 

Oh, they have the kickstand at 22 degree angle.  That means that when in Kickstand mode, that you have to have your wrist almost at a 78 degree angle to use it as a touchscreen.  Not exactly ergonomically sound.

 

But that is just an opinion.

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Notice how the one presenter's Surface didn't work and how they wouldn't let the media touch and play around with these floor demos?  Why is that?  Because Windows on these systems probably doesn't work well.  Yeah, probably have to wait until Service Pack 1 or 2 before that happens.

 

 

 

 

That's quite damning. Good point. 

 

The entire contraption *must* work perfectly, especially when it hits the shelves. In current market dynamics, if the User Experience isn't delightful and smooth right out of the gate, there will be  . . . problems.

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That's quite damning. Good point. 

 

The entire contraption *must* work perfectly, especially when it hits the shelves. In current market dynamics, if the User Experience isn't delightful and smooth right out of the gate, there will be  . . . problems.

 

Ballmer would still push it out the door. Guaranteed.

 

He is that desperate. I could hear it in his presentation.

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Well it's possible that the Microsoft Tech Pundit Propaganda machine is starting to show cracks. ZDNet just published a rather scathing article titled, "Surface: Microsoft, What the Hell is Wrong With You?" and George Ou at Byte wrote a predictive piece titled, "Why Microsoft's New Surface Tablet Will Fail".

 

Yes I read the one in bold yesterday. Did you dare glance at the comments? Now that's a fun read! :))) Perlow is literally ran down with a cyber-pitchfork and skewered by the rabid MS fans wanting this all to be true, and not the Barnum-Bailey-n-Ballmer Circus routine.

 

Re: Acer founder claims Microsoft will pull out of tablet market -- jeez! And I thought I was just providing some thought-entertainment playing the Devil's Advocate and a game of "What If?".

 

It appears that more than a few people have woken up this morning, and just not sure what the hell they saw on Monday. Reality sinking in... and the presentation in it's entirety is still out there to peruse just "one more time please".

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Ed Bott over on zdnet... who absolutely HATES anything from Apple, actually had a chance for 10 minutes to type on one, and later write about the experience yesterday.

 

Well... this guy NEVER misses a chance to cozy up to his benefactor MS.... so was I ever surprised to read: NOTHING!

 

NOT. ONE. WORD!

 

I'm going to think it wasn't so hot...because if he even "could have" typed just his name... 6 letters and a space.... he would have been peeing all over his "typewriter" how great the experience was.

I don't the media was allowed to play with one of these Surface tablets.  I think they were for show only.  Remember, the one presenter had his first Surface not work for the demo, so I don't think they are ready for people to play with them. It seems like it is a pre-production prototype so that the hardware PULLS the software towards the future.

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Yes I read the one in bold yesterday. Did you dare glance at the comments? Now that's a fun read! :))) Perlow is literally ran down with a cyber-pitchfork and skewered by the rabid MS fans wanting this all to be true, and not the Barnum-Bailey-n-Ballmer Circus routine.

 

Re: Acer founder claims Microsoft will pull out of tablet market -- jeez! And I thought I was just providing some thought-entertainment playing the Devil's Advocate and a game of "What If?".

 

It appears that more than a few people have woken up this morning, and just not sure what the hell they saw on Monday. Reality sinking in... and the presentation in it's entirety is still out there to peruse just "one more time please".

And what happens if you want to use the keyboard in portrait mode?  Will it go in portrait mode with the kickstand?

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Ed Bott over on zdnet... who absolutely HATES anything from Apple, actually had a chance for 10 minutes to type on one, and later write about the experience yesterday.

 

Well... this guy NEVER misses a chance to cozy up to his benefactor MS.... so was I ever surprised to read: NOTHING!

 

NOT. ONE. WORD!

 

I'm going to think it wasn't so hot...because if he even "could have" typed just his name... 6 letters and a space.... he would have been peeing all over his "typewriter" how great the experience was.

 

One of my favorite lines:

 

The signature feature—one that probably has some Apple product designers wondering “Why didn’t we think of that?”—is the magnetic cover that snaps firmly into place and doubles as a keyboard.

 

They probably did, Ed... and it had fail written all over it.

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I am quite excited about this announcement and look forward to seeing what it will bring. I think there is room for another tablet and this looks to be able to bring portable computing to the next level. I like that it's not an attempt trying to be "Android trying to be iOS" tablet.

 

For iPad owners like myself, nothing else (other than the newer iPad) in the market currently spells 'need that' to me so I think MS is right in stirring up the pot.

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I'm gonna ask it... because there are more than a few people here thinking it:

 

What if any of these conjectures are TRUE?

 

Was that really a demo for the OEMS showing... "YA SEE dang nab it! That's how a magnet sounds clicking to a REAL hinge... that's how a kickstand sounds when closing and opening ya !#$$%^&* bums!!! Get rid of the plastic crap or else DADDY is gonna take ya out behind the shed and beat ya silly with a USB cable!"

 

Naturally in my best Jethro impersonation..... entertainment that wold not be believable in a TV or Movie script!

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I don't think so.  iOS cannot make use of a trackpad.  There are already plenty of keyboards for the iPad.  but there are no trackpads, which makes the combined device VERY different.

 

Gee, the completely unncessary trackpad.  What a loss.

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I don't the media was allowed to play with one of these Surface tablets.  I think they were for show only.  Remember, the one presenter had his first Surface not work for the demo, so I don't think they are ready for people to play with them. It seems like it is a pre-production prototype so that the hardware PULLS the software towards the future.


Maybe... but Ed Bott says "....bla bla bla... I can’t wait to get my hands on one of these sleek new devices for more than 10 minutes." Which may just be a journalistic slate of hand... but from a journalist.... I expect that he had say, close to 9 or 10 minutes with the device... and had nothing really good to say about it.... or else he surely would have.

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post #104 of 177

Remember this:

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It did not work because they tried to make a Tablet that ran Windows Software

 

They try again. Will they never learn. Windows software was not ment for Tablets.

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Yes I read the one in bold yesterday. Did you dare glance at the comments? Now that's a fun read! 1smile.gif)) Perlow is literally ran down with a cyber-pitchfork and skewered by the rabid MS fans wanting this all to be true, and not the Barnum-Bailey-n-Ballmer Circus routine.

Yeah, the comments don't surprise me in the least. The Windows fanboys are treating this Surface as their new Savior as they desperately believe it will take out the iPad and MacBook Air in one clean sweep and bring mobile supremacy to Microsoft; any hint to to the contrary is treated as sacrilege. The problem is Microsoft eventually has to deliver the working goods to the faithful masses and at a price that Windows fanboys demand - if they try to pawn it off a pricey ultra-book, we'll see how fast the fanboys turn on Master Ballmer.
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microsoft released two new products... windows surface tablet for its customers, and windows knife for its partners.  grab the wrist and twist it, guys.

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And what happens if you want to use the keyboard in portrait mode?  Will it go in portrait mode with the kickstand?


No where in the presentation or the materials released 'til now, show the Surface being used in "portrait mode". Not sure if it's there... or even going to be there.

 

It appears this really is an Ultrabook with touch as a "cool feature to have"... with a definitive 16:9 Full-HD screen for movies without bars.

 

For 90% of "assumed" usage as presented, it will be using the kickstand, with the keyboard and a mouse for "serious work" (remember AutoCad, Photoshop, MS office quote).... to also play movies on the coffee table at your leisure.... and that's what it's supposed to be and do. Period. I don't recall games being mentioned, or included GPS or gyroscope or... much of anything else.

 

Get with the game dude: it's about the "click" of the kickstand and the keyboard! You ask too many questions.................................... :))))

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One of my favorite lines:

 

The signature feature—one that probably has some Apple product designers wondering “Why didn’t we think of that?”—is the magnetic cover that snaps firmly into place and doubles as a keyboard.

 

They probably did, Ed... and it had fail written all over it.


The whole piece by EB was truly pathetic! And they call us Fan-Bois?!?

 

I can't wait until Saturday when the Macalope over at MW gets his game on, and just rakes these guys with his antlers, and a swift hoof in the kiester with his Kick-stand... all 4 of them :)

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Ballmer would still push it out the door. Guaranteed.

 

He is that desperate. I could hear it in his presentation.

 

What I noticed is that MS didn't actually redefine or re-imagine the segment (as they should have, because they had every opportunity to do so.)

 

What they did was create a compromise device that looked and worked different, for the sake of working and looking different . . . as a reaction to being so far behind in this new market, and as a reaction to the pressure MS was made to feel to release something, anything. 

 

The whole presentation, as you remarked, just smacked of desperation. MS didn't really introduce anything. Nothing re-imagined. Nothing re-defined. They tried to turn a PC into a tablet, but while inexplicably keeping bits and pieces of the traditional computing paradigm bolted on. MS is still stuck on "computers." It's this weird Frenkentablet that doesn't seem, at this juncture, to truly do justice to either segment. Nor does it appear to be an effective marriage of both segments. It neither challenges the iPad nor the Retina MBP, or any MBP, for that matter. And as for creating an entirely *new* segment, others who have done a similar device have had little to no success. Then you get the idea of running Windows 8, which is *already* a problematic proposition. 

 

After witnessing the way in which Apple has succeeded with their products, their formula, how they have approached tech, and what others have tried to do and failed, this Surface device looks like a catastrophe in the making. 

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Get with the game dude: it's about the "click" of the kickstand and the keyboard! You ask too many questions

You must have been reading Gizmodo's laugh wrenching article titled, "Why a Keyboard—not a Processor or Screen or Anything Else—Is the Only Way to Beat Apple" Those poor slobs are still grinding the axe against Apple over the stolen iPhone.
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although PC makers Dell and Lenovo both voiced continued commitment to Microsoft as a valuable partner.
What are they going to do?! Develop their own desktop OS? Not going to happen. MS can start their own PC hardware and no one can do anything. All they can do is pay to get Window on their PCs and accept it.

Why not?

Didn't stop the guys over at Android from doing the same for mobile OS.
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Maybe... but Ed Bott says "....bla bla bla... I can’t wait to get my hands on one of these sleek new devices for more than 10 minutes." Which may just be a journalistic slate of hand... but from a journalist.... I expect that he had say, close to 9 or 10 minutes with the device... and had nothing really good to say about it.... or else he surely would have.

 

This is from the engadget review:

 

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As for performance, we'll be honest: tech press were treated to about two minutes at each of several stations, some of which demoed design, and not so much the power that lies inside that thin frame. ... Still, in our brief hands-on ... Now if only we could see the Core i5-powered Pro model in action. As for pen input, it's very possible, including PDF mark-ups and all, but we didn't get to see that demoed today. ... Unfortunately, we didn't get to see a working demo of the keyboards. As in, we weren't permitted to type sample sentences and feel what it's like to hammer out characters on a flat keyboard, or on keys that have just 1.5mm of travel.

 

So, I think Ed Bott, unless he got special treatment, was engaging, as have many other "reviewers", in a bit of poetic license with the use of the phrase "hands on". It doesn't seem like there actually was any "hands on", not 10 minutes or even 10 seconds, just demos, and not even demos of the "keyboard".

 

I think even "pre-production prototype" (used by someone above) overstates what was shown. I think "design mockup" is closer to the mark.

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What I noticed is that MS didn't actually redefine or re-imagine the segment (as they should have, because they had every opportunity to do so.)

 

What they did was create a compromise device that looked and worked different, for the sake of working and looking different . . . as a reaction to being so far behind in this new market, and as a reaction to the pressure MS was made to feel to release something, anything. 

 

The whole presentation, as you remarked, just smacked of desperation. MS didn't really introduce anything. Nothing re-imagined. Nothing re-defined. They tried to turn a PC into a tablet, but while inexplicably keeping bits and pieces of the traditional computing paradigm bolted on. MS is still stuck on "computers." It's this weird Frenkentablet that doesn't seem, at this juncture, to truly do justice to either segment. Nor does it appear to be an effective marriage of both segments. It neither challenges the iPad nor the Retina MBP, or any MBP, for that matter. And as for creating an entirely *new* segment, others who have done a similar device have had little to no success. Then you get the idea of running Windows 8, which is *already* a problematic proposition. 

 

After witnessing the way in which Apple has succeeded with their products, their formula, how they have approached tech, and what others have tried to do and failed, this Surface device looks like a catastrophe in the making. 

 

Imho, Ballmer promised the moon... not that MS is ever going to make these things but, instead, rather that MS was hoping to slow down the iPad juggernaut enough with this presentation to give the MS OEMs a bit of breathing room to make some Metro tablets and get them to market when Win 8 is introduced.

 

Ballmer introducing the Win 8 Surface looked, to me, like the Wright Brothers promising a 747 within a year.

 

The time frame promised for the Win 8 tablet is right around the time the iPad v4 will be introduced. Hmmmmmm...

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OK. I have to step back here... because I'm really coming across as an abhored Fan-Boi.

 

I just wanna point out that an the announcement thread here at AI, I and many others were really pulling for MS. While we could only guess what they were going to demo... there were a lot of posters with good ideas and expecting MS to come to the table with something... well.... at least different.

 

No one... but no one... was expecting this train wreck of a presentation, for so important a device to the well-being of not only MS, but it's partners as well.

 

While I also get caught up in a bit of schadenfreude... I still consider it very, VERY SAD... and it appears that this isn't the end of this sorry Tale yet.

 

<<<sadly shaking head>>>

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This is from the engadget review:

 

 

So, I think Ed Bott, unless he got special treatment, was engaging, as have many other "reviewers", in a bit of poetic license with the use of the phrase "hands on". It doesn't seem like there actually was any "hands on", not 10 minutes or even 10 seconds, just demos, and not even demos of the "keyboard".

 

I think even "pre-production prototype" (used by someone above) overstates what was shown. I think "design mockup" is closer to the mark.


I don't like Engadget much, so thanks for that bit of news. I really can't say what is worse at this point. I can make the claim to "guessing" they were all prototypes. If so... again... I'm just shaking my head here.

 

Can any of you imagine the horror if you did that at your jobs?! And those other guys were really "all in"!

 

Unfortunately up to their neck in Ballmer's....<beeeeep>!

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post #116 of 177
Well the Windows 8 Phone Summit is live; get ready for a barrage of pundits bleating that Microsoft has just set a new bar of wonder and greatness as they lap up every promise as though it's being delivered today.
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No senior executives heard about the news last week," an Acer executive said, noting that the company is still seeking details. "We're quite surprised."

 

Acer should thank their lucky stars that they have their hotel business to fall back on:

 

Acer Hotel in San Francisco: IMG_2511.jpg

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It's starting to get a bit ugly now... or was it ever pretty, or just homely?

 

Mary Jo Foley - Ed Bott's collegue... who if I'm not mistaken, switched to an iPad about a year ago and is hence now considered just "The Witch".... so what ever she's writes is probably not being taken seriously. Well I found a few eye-opener Tid-bits.

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It seems the Surface is a pretty decent hardware device, but I fail to see how the RT version is fundamentally better than an iPad. I think the tablet in the consumer space has been decided. Sure, you'll still get the low end Android devices but I don't see room for Microsoft in that space because they won't to be at the same price point and feature set as the iPad. But the question will always be "why would I get this instead of the iPad?" For the Pro version, the conversation could be more interesting. I suspect a lot of corporate environments will try them, trying to answer the demand for tablets from t he users while still hanging on to their legacy management tools (and the control that corporate IT seems to desire). I fail to see how that addresses the consumerization of IT in the workplace. The pressure will continue, as users don't want a tablet. They want an iPad.

 

I will say that there was one thing that personally looked of interest to me .... the dual digitizers - one for touch and the other for pen. I would like that on an iPad for the pure purpose of taking notes. That's it. I sure wouldn't switch from my iPad for it, though.

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Quote from James Kendrick at ZDNet:

I’m not convinced the Touch cover will work given it’s pseudo keys, although attendees of the event assure me it works just fine.

 

...and within the comments, he says:

It's (Windows Surface RT) now slated to start delivering the end of June. We'll see. Someone at the MS press event yesterday told me you can use those KB covers in the lap, they are that steady.

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