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Microsoft on Wednesday took the wraps off of Windows Phone 8, set to launch this fall alongside Windows 8 for PCs and the new Surface tablet, featuring e-wallet support with NFC chips, as well as support for high-definition screens.

Windows Phone 8 was unveiled at Microsoft's Windows Phone Developer Summit, where the company announced that the platform will support multi-core CPUs and high-definition screen resolutions. The new Windows Phone 8 will also borrow much of its code base from Windows 8, which will allow developers to create applications that can be run on phones, tablets and desktops all running Microsoft's operating systems.

Windows Phone 8 also features Internet Explorer 10, which Microsoft said has four-times faster JavaScript performance than its predecessor, Windows Phone 7.5, and also twice the feature support for HTML5. Microsoft says that Internet Explorer 10 for Windows Phone 8 gets a better SunSpider score when testing Web browsing than the iPhone 4S running Apple's first beta of iOS 6.

The operating system will also support near-field communications chips with a native wallet application that will store credit and debit cards, as well as loyalty and membership cards. Microsoft Vice President Joe Belfiore also demonstrated onstage on Wednesday how the new NFC functionality in Windows Phone 8 will allow handsets to scan NFC-enabled advertisements or business cards.

Microsoft is also focusing on enterprise users with Windows Phone 8, offering encryption, secure boot, and IT device management. And turn-by-turn navigation will also be built in to the operating system with Nokia map technology.

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Starting with Windows Phone 8, developers will also be able to offer in-application purchases. That means upgrades and other content can be purchase with an integrated tool part of the operating system.

Microsoft is also enhancing its speech support with the latest version of Windows Phone. But in one onstage demonstration, the Audible application was asked to play "Game of Thrones," but the phone mistakenly tried to search for "St. Louis, Missouri." After the technical hiccup, Microsoft showed how speech recognition could be used by third-party developers for functions like searching, and playback and pausing of content.

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Devices currently running Windows Phone 7.5 will not be able to upgrade to the new Windows Phone 8. Instead, Microsoft announced on Wednesday that some of the new features, such as an updated Start screen, will be brought to legacy devices with the Windows Phone 7.8 update.

The unveiling of Windows Phone 8 comes only a few days after Microsoft held a heavily hyped, high-profile event in Hollywood to unveil Surface, its new touchscreen tablet that will compete with Apple's iPad when it hits the market this fall. Surface will be built by Microsoft itself, and will come in two forms: an ARM-based model running the Windows RT operating system, and a "pro" model featuring an Intel processor and running the full Windows 8 operating system.
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Lemme guess… the eWallet thing is proprietary to only Microsoft systems and software.
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Microsoft is also enhancing its speech support with the latest version of Windows Phone. But in one onstage demonstration, the Audible application was asked to play "Game of Thrones," but the phone mistakenly tried to search for "St. Louis, Missouri."

Good ol' Microsoft! At least they're consistent!

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Getting so many flashbacks to the Zune hype

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Yeah takes me back ...

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Zzzzzz . . . . 

 

The entire Windows Phone effort is just so anticlimactic.

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I just finished with the presentation. The truth is that it looks pretty good. They seem to have fixed most of the flaws. Now it will remain to be seen if consumers take it up any more than before.
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 But in one onstage demonstration, the Audible application was asked to play "Game of Thrones," but the phone mistakenly tried to search for "St. Louis, Missouri." 

 

 

I can see how that happened.  I make that mistake all the time. 

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Metro UI was cool when it first came out, but it's wearing out so fast.

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Microsoft is also enhancing its speech support with the latest version of Windows Phone. But in one onstage demonstration, the Audible application was asked to play "Game of Thrones," but the phone mistakenly tried to search for "St. Louis, Missouri."
Good ol' Microsoft! At least they're consistent!

 

 

Oops!  ;)

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Screw the Dark Knight Lumia. Nokia needs to come out with an Iron Patriot design - they just Osborned their platform yet again!
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I just finished with the presentation. The truth is that it looks pretty good. They seem to have fixed most of the flaws. Now it will remain to be seen if consumers take it up any more than before.

 

What impresses me (too much?) is that it uses the same kernel as the other flavors of Windoze.  Reportedly, that will allow easier transformation of full fledged programs to tablet and cellphone apps.

 

Also, there is backwards compatibility for Winphone 7.5, so legacy phone apps will run on the new hardware/software.

 

The folks who recently bought windows  7 phones seem to have gotten screwed, however, depending on how good Windows 7.8 turns out to be.

 

At any rate, this is a bold move by M$, and it makes a whole lot of sense to me that they did it this way.  It will be ugly for a while, especially for the likes of Nokia.  But in the end, I think the overall strategy is sound.  Let's see them execute it.

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This is nuclear. Microsoft just deprecated the entire WP7 platform. If you bought a Lumia your phone is now worthless.

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Will not support a single current phone on the market. Absolutely brutal. This is how you retain customer loyalty? And Apple gets raked through the coals when a 2+ year old phone doesn't support all the software features of their newest OS update. 

 

I never understood the cliche that is always repeated that Apple loves 'obsoleting' people's devices, when it seems they're the best in the bunch by far with supporting their devices. Don't get me started with Android device support. 

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Devices currently running Windows Phone 7.5 will not be able to upgrade to the new Windows Phone 8.

So that fine Lumia 900 you bought two months ago has already reached obsolescence and I thought Android was bad. Don't fret though - you can get an update for the new crammed in Tile UI.
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I did not think it was possible, but the UI looks even worse now!  And smart move Micro$oft, announce Windows Phone 8 will be available in the fall, and that no current phones can be upgraded.  I am sure that will help them sell more of these fugly, unusable bricks.

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This is nuclear. Microsoft just deprecated the entire WP7 platform. If you bought a Lumia your phone is now worthless.

Unlike before?

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This is nuclear. Microsoft just deprecated the entire WP7 platform. If you bought a Lumia your phone is now worthless.

 

and WP7 was a scorched earth on WP6.   From the snippets I saw, the fact they tying Win8 to WP8 (like OSX to iOS), again, Redmond finally got their copiers working....  but gutting every phone owner, and most app developers 3 times over... not good.

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I just finished with the presentation. The truth is that it looks pretty good. They seem to have fixed most of the flaws. Now it will remain to be seen if consumers take it up any more than before.

Really? I was looking at the turn-by-turn navigation demo and the maps looked like something you find on an old Gameboy. Maybe it was the demo pictures that didn't do it justice.
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So Microsoft announce another product that won't be available for months. But worse, they announce that none of the current products will be compatible with it. The Windows Phone market is already tiny and struggling. This is just going to stop it in its tracks until October. Who in their right minds would buy a WinPho now?

 

Does Microsoft have ANY commercial acumen at the top at all?

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Nokia got Double Osborned. After seeing the effects of pre-announcing Symbian being deprecated, how are carriers and customers going to feel about Nokia's WP7 line up now they know that it's not upgradeable and the next version of WP has a completely incompatible API? No developers are going to continue working on WP7. This is very bad news for Nokia. They're toast.

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Will not support a single current phone on the market. Absolutely brutal. This is how you retain customer loyalty? And Apple gets raked through the coals when a 2+ year old phone doesn't support all the software features of their newest OS update. 

 

I never understood the cliche that is always repeated that Apple loves 'obsoleting' people's devices, when it seems they're the best in the bunch by far with supporting their devices. Don't get me started with Android device support. 

 

There are so many nonsense memes regarding Apple. Every day some idiot spouts anti Apple crap that would be better directed at Apple's 'competition'.

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I would switch to cash-only before I would trust Microsoft with my credit or debit cards held in a win8 phone app.

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So Microsoft announce another product that won't be available for months. But worse, they announce that none of the current products will be compatible with it. The Windows Phone market is already tiny and struggling. This is just going to stop it in its tracks until October. Who in their right minds would buy a WinPho now?

 

Does Microsoft have ANY commercial acumen at the top at all?

 

Look who's been running the show for years. As you know, that explains a whole lot. 

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Nokia got Double Osborned. After seeing the effects of pre-announcing Symbian being deprecated, how are carriers and customers going to feel about Nokia's WP7 line up now they know that it's not upgradeable and the next version of WP has a completely incompatible API? No developers are going to continue working on WP7. This is very bad news for Nokia. They're toast.

Yep, Ballmer just through Elop under the bus but hey, MS said they would use Nokia maps - soon to be MS maps when Nokia folds up.
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Really? I was looking at the turn-by-turn navigation demo and the maps looked like something you find on an old Gameboy. Maybe it was the demo pictures that didn't do it justice.

I'm trying to not take the fanboy approach to this. The fact is that this is vastly improved over the lame wp7 phones out. I do t expect every demo to look great. This still needs more development work. In fact, there are things I would like Apple do that they are either not interested in, or are taking their time about.

But Microsoft fixed the security problem that wp7 has, though, of course, with the same kernal as Win 8, they are leaving themselves open to similar malware.

Overall, with multiple core support, DirectX support, ease of porting apps over the Win environment, and other new improvements, this will prove to be a much better competing platform, assuming that it isn't the Metro UI in the first place that's keeping people away., though that seems better as well.
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I'm just not in the market for anything Microsoft right now. I'd rather they stick to office software which is the only thing they are still good at making. 

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Nokia got Double Osborned. After seeing the effects of pre-announcing Symbian being deprecated, how are carriers and customers going to feel about Nokia's WP7 line up now they know that it's not upgradeable and the next version of WP has a completely incompatible API? No developers are going to continue working on WP7. This is very bad news for Nokia. They're toast.

Well said.

How does AT&T feel about all this? Pushed their Windows Phone to the high heavens only to have it obsoleted in less than three months. Microsoft is screwing the carriers over (with this move and the integration of VOIP). They're not Apple, the Windows Phones just don't seem good enough. This coming from someone who thinks that Windows Phone is very good.
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I just finished with the presentation. The truth is that it looks pretty good. They seem to have fixed most of the flaws. Now it will remain to be seen if consumers take it up any more than before.

 

I find their whole "Metro" theme hard to look at personally, but I know most people have terrible taste. Based on that, they'll find an audience for their pap.

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Really? I was looking at the turn-by-turn navigation demo and the maps looked like something you find on an old Gameboy. Maybe it was the demo pictures that didn't do it justice.

 

Ha!

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This is nuclear. Microsoft just deprecated the entire WP7 platform. If you bought a Lumia your phone is now worthless.

I will remember this the next time my brother gripes about how he can't get iOS 5 on his 3g
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I find their whole "Metro" theme hard to look at personally, but I know most people have terrible taste. Based on that, they'll find an audience for their pap.

I don't like it much either. But the biggest criticsm was that the information density was too low, requiring too much scrolling to get anywhere. They've mostly fixed that by making the tiles smaller so that more are on the screen at once, and by using more colors.

The real question is why sales have been so slow (without dropping into the fanboy mode).

Microsoft did have an extensive campaign. But they focussed on using the phone quickly, because their attitude seemed to be that people don't like using their phones. That didn't help. Most people do like using their phones. AT&T has had very good Win Phone Ads. I just assume that Metro isn't to everyone's tastes.

Maybe Microsoft is wrong, and most people are app oriented, and not function oriented. Perhaps most people don't want social contexts as the first thing they see.
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I don't like it much either. But the biggest criticsm was that the information density was too low, requiring too much scrolling to get anywhere. They've mostly fixed that by making the tiles smaller so that more are on the screen at once, and by using more colors.
The real question is why sales have been so slow (without dropping into the fanboy mode).
Microsoft did have an extensive campaign. But they focussed on using the phone quickly, because their attitude seemed to be that people don't like using their phones. That didn't help. Most people do like using their phones. AT&T has had very good Win Phone Ads. I just assume that Metro isn't to everyone's tastes.
Maybe Microsoft is wrong, and most people are app oriented, and not function oriented. Perhaps most people don't want social contexts as the first thing they see.

 

Adoption has been low because they are late to the game with non-standard phones (I'm referring to the iPhone as the "standard"). Word of mouth and consumer delight with Apple's phones has made them customers for life. Horrible experiences with Windows for most of their working lives has left a sour taste that may be transferring to Windows Phone. "Halo effect", meet the "Windows" effect.

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Wow very impressive win8 desktop/tablet/win8'phone all running on the same core OS. iOS will use the cloud to connect iOS to OSX and windows. But IMHO the synergy Microsoft has could be huge.

The nextgen Xbox should also run the same core OS to finish the cycle...
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Because nothing says security like "Microsoft."

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Wow very impressive win8 desktop/tablet/win8'phone all running on the same core OS. iOS will use the cloud to connect iOS to OSX and windows. But IMHO the synergy Microsoft has could be huge.
The nextgen Xbox should also run the same core OS to finish the cycle...

 

I look forward to reports of a massive botnet created by hacked Windows 8 desktops and Windows Phones. You know it's coming.

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I look forward to reports of a massive botnet created by hacked Windows 8 desktops and Windows Phones. You know it's coming.

The truth is Microsoft right now is great on security because they have been battling it for decades. Apple and google are not on part IMHO. I love my Mac but the truth is the truth...
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Where's Monkey Boy?

 

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Where's Monkey Boy?

 

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Love it. I knew the memes would quickly follow. We need a whole chorus line of Ballmers on stage a la The Rockettes.

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Adoption has been low because they are late to the game with non-standard phones (I'm referring to the iPhone as the "standard"). Word of mouth and consumer delight with Apple's phones has made them customers for life. Horrible experiences with Windows for most of their working lives has left a sour taste that may be transferring to Windows Phone. "Halo effect", meet the "Windows" effect.

I don't think it's that simple. I saw people pick up WebOS phones in stores, play with them for a few seconds, put them down and spend more time with other phones. Few people really had that attitude about Palm. I had Palm phones for years, and most people I know who also did were pretty satisfied.

Win Phone could have the same problem.

I believe the same thing happens with all phones. People pick them up in a store. If they can't figure out a basic way to work it quickly, they lose interest quickly. No one reads 50 page phone manuals anymore.
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The new Windows Phone 8 will also borrow much of its code base from Windows 8, which will allow developers to create applications that can be run on phones, tablets and desktops all running Microsoft's operating systems.

uh oh. does that mean, you'll need a 32GB phone since the OS will probably take up 10GB?

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