Originally Posted by JerrySwitched26
What impresses me (too much?) is that it uses the same kernel as the other flavors of Windoze. Reportedly, that will allow easier transformation of full fledged programs to tablet and cellphone apps.
Also, there is backwards compatibility for Winphone 7.5, so legacy phone apps will run on the new hardware/software.
The folks who recently bought windows 7 phones seem to have gotten screwed, however, depending on how good Windows 7.8 turns out to be.
At any rate, this is a bold move by M$, and it makes a whole lot of sense to me that they did it this way. It will be ugly for a while, especially for the likes of Nokia. But in the end, I think the overall strategy is sound. Let's see them execute it.
Originally Posted by Slurpy
Will not support a single current phone on the market. Absolutely brutal. This is how you retain customer loyalty? And Apple gets raked through the coals when a 2+ year old phone doesn't support all the software features of their newest OS update.
I never understood the cliche that is always repeated that Apple loves 'obsoleting' people's devices, when it seems they're the best in the bunch by far with supporting their devices. Don't get me started with Android device support.
WinPhone 7 was always a placeholder and testbed (if the inspiration for the whole Win 8 interface across the line) - and met a need to quit even showing the v6 nightmare until Win 8 without exiting the phone market altogether for years. That's been clear for well over a year or more. Win 8 will likely be as supported upgradeability-wise going forward across all device lines as any version of Windows.
And that's true even if Win 8 - a transition system with various varieties of hiccups and bad compromises - turns out to be the next Vista that's followed by a Win 9 which will last as long as Win 7 - and even the venerable highly-patched XP that's still chugging along on hundreds of millions of machines after a decade.
Further point and other upgrades will be much better handled than Android's managed to date. (Not that that's exactly a high bar to jump over.....)
Originally Posted by poke
This is nuclear. Microsoft just deprecated the entire WP7 platform. If you bought a Lumia your phone is now worthless.
But not all that different to the effect of iOS6 on original iPads.... ...they'll do what they've done and as well as they've done it, and while they've been left in the dust future-wise, they're hardly "useless."
And while PPC was supported for quite awhile, it's now on the dust heap - I can't upgrade many things anymore, but I understand it.
Originally Posted by CogitoDexter
So Microsoft announce another product that won't be available for months. But worse, they announce that none of the current products will be compatible with it. The Windows Phone market is already tiny and struggling. This is just going to stop it in its tracks until October. Who in their right minds would buy a WinPho now?
Does Microsoft have ANY commercial acumen at the top at all?
Commercially, the entire Win Phone 7 base is miniscule - because it HASN'T sold much for whatever reasons - and still isn't exactly burning up the charts. If Win Phone 8 gains any traction - and I believe it will, at least among business users - they'll fairly quickly reach a point where they're selling more phones per quarter than 7 ever sold in total. And the Win Phone 7 users will upgrade at the end of their contracts, so there will be even fewer of them quickly. So since the code has changed so much, this is the best commercial decision (of a bad bunch) they can make. Plus they had to get the news out to the entire infrastructure of partners they're going to have to rely on - even if leaves a gap of some months.
As for current sales, how many phone customers are surfing sites like this and have any notion of the upcoming transition? If a typical purchaser is attracted by the lines and look of a cool blue Lumia, 90% of those are as likely to buy it as they were yesterday. So some impact over the next few months but not that much. And I'm reasonably sure MS plans to shore up (if not purchase) Nokia in the meantime. The company got lost and made strategic missteps, but much of it is still a fundamentally sound company with good chops and skilled employees. And I'm betting they'll make it back to profitability - on the back of Win 8 derived devices (if mostly phones).
Originally Posted by ShAdOwXPR
Wow very impressive win8 desktop/tablet/win8'phone all running on the same core OS. iOS will use the cloud to connect iOS to OSX and windows. But IMHO the synergy Microsoft has could be huge.
The nextgen Xbox should also run the same core OS to finish the cycle...
Tend to agree. MS is bringing Windows to phones, whereas Apple's bringing iOS elements to OS X. And interface prefs aside, Siri still looks like the big differentiator. On the other hand, the intro of the Surface stuff was very underwhelming. Floppy keyboards and kickstands on a device most people will want to work with effortlessly from lap to table to bed, etc.? Kludgy as hell.
Originally Posted by ulfoaf
Because nothing says security like "Microsoft."
Already answered below. But I'll add that in fact I've had no security problems on my Win towers at all in the last four years. I still have to run anti-malware, sure, and I open any odd looking emails I want to check on my Macs, but the "security gap" is in practice an old saw that just doesn't cut much any more. Whereas Android is the new frontier of insecurity.
Originally Posted by ShAdOwXPR
The truth is Microsoft right now is great on security because they have been battling it for decades. Apple and google are not on part IMHO. I love my Mac but the truth is the truth...
"A is A. A thing is itself."
(I can, but wondering anyone else here is able to and cares to source that quote?)