iPhone 5 will put Samsung's Galaxy S III to shame, says Foxconn CEO - Page 3

I agree, it is pretty good but just making a point. HP is shocking for dumping products shortly after release, that was my experience anyway.

There is no sense in comparing iOS 6 with 5.0 Jelly Bean based on rumors. There is no preview of Jelly Bean available. Google has yet to unveil the OS.

 

That is a major issue for companies like Samsung, HTC, Sony who are unable to provide the upgrade due to their proprietary layers. However any user who purchases latest Google's Nexus branded phone gets the update on  day 1 of their release due to stock android. 

It might be considered a loaded term, so it is trickier than I realized. I do think "hackers" is apropos, but I didn't mean it in the negative connotation like the kind you might hear in the news. It seems like there is a better way to make a distinction between the hobbyist and the criminal kind, but I forget other ways to make that distinction.

 

That's a pull down menu in iOS.

 

Thanks to the open source community for the iOS 5.0 notifications.

"I respect the Japanese and especially like their execution and communication styles,"... well, considering how many Chinese were executed by Japanese during the WW2... there's something in this CEO's statement... /s

 

The term 'cracker' used to be more common for the person who tries to break into systems. The term 'hacker' goes way back and just means a clever enthusiast who comes up with a creative engineering solution especially in computer technology. I think it was the rich term.

 

I agree that UI improvements can increase functionality. Your suggest improvement could be added as a swipe-able screen in iOS without fundamentally changing the existing design or interaction model. It's not what I would call "substantial changes in UI of iOS 7."

 

As to how they use the extra space that may appear in iPhone Next, I guess that remains to be seen. I don't think they demoed iOS6 on a larger handset (unless I missed that bit).

 

Yes, Apple may be playing catchup on some specific integration features, but we need to separate that from the "significant changes in UI of iOS" that you say are needed.

 

You closed with "The current UI feels dated. In modern age of smartphone users, not many users are going to get confused with changes in UI. Yes it could take some time to get used to it but it will be beneficial to the end user." Logical increments to the interface are fine, but I think there is a vast user community who find fundamental changes VERY disorienting - and cosmetic changes to be at best pleasant distractions, but at worst confusing and annoying distractions.

 

I would prefer to buy a device that makes sensible tradeoffs, that doesn't include a feature unless it's implemented well and that gives me a seamless software and hardware upgrade path that requires little to no surprise or confusion when enhancing functionality.

 

I love when people start accusing Apple of cloning Android when Android wasn't first to have most of these features either - they existed in other phones and mobile operating systems before both iOS and Android. Let's not forget that Google completely tossed out Android's original user interface and ended up pretty much completely ripping off the iPhone. If it weren't for Apple and the iPhone, fandroids would all be using phones that look an awful lot like a Blackberry. It was Apple that redefined what a mobile operating system should look like and how you should interact with it, not Google. Google was making a Blackberry/WinMo clone. After they saw the iPhone, they ditched their original plans and decided to create an iPhone clone. Do you really think it was a coincidence that it took them almost two years after Apple showed the iPhone to finally release Android?

Aside from all the Taiwanese vs. Korean crap, the statement simply does not hold water.

 

For some a small phone is best and cannot be beaten by a 720p "monster" no matter how much more powerful the latter might be.

For others it's important to get the absolute most screen that's still in a compact enough format to go everywhere.

 

Those two camps will never agree on which is better. If you're drooling at the prospect of owning a Galaxy S III then you're probably not in the iPhone target market anyway so why wait for something you don't want?

 

The bottom line is that one size cannot fit all and Apple doesn't seem to care. They make what they want to and hope that lots of people with high disposable incomes will like it too. Surely as one of the most valuable companies on the planet with arguably the best supply chain management and so much cash that they've been embarrassed into giving some of it back to the shareholders Apple could afford to make two different sizes of iPhone. The could, but they won't.

 

It leaves me in a strange position. I would prefer a large screen iPhone over an Android device, but Apple won't make it. Nobody is making apps for Windows Phone so there's no point even looking there. Guess I'll stick with my "dumb phone".

Its quotes like this that make me realize how many people base their opinions of something based on unproven blog post. Android supports more then Chinese, English and Spanish. This post is so full of BS it is hard to read.

 

 

This is what you sound like

 

The next version of iOS will have

Pull down notifications (In android since 1.5)

Voice control/actions (in android since 2.2)

MMS support  (In android since 1.5)

Copy and paste (in android since 2.x)

New lock screen 

 

sounds like I have never picked up an iDevice and now I am talking out my A$$

Edited by Apple v. Samsung - 6/21/12 at 12:54am

...Gou saying that "the new model will put Samsung’s Galaxy III to shame," ...

I reckon Apple will have a quiet word and ask Gou to be reticent about future products because: 

a) it could easily have the effect of suppressing current model sales and

b) producing a product that doesn't quite match hyperbolic expectations will be perceived disappointing.  

At the price of having "stuff" running constantly, eating RAM, GPU and CPU cycles and affecting system stability and battery life.

I don't want that happening on my iPhone. Androids love of stuff running rampant in the background and foreground is why it has the rep for crashing, laggy, needing battery pulls and reboots to function well.

I've had a 3GS, iPhone 4 and currently have a iPhone 4S but have also used a variety of Android phones plus currently using a HTC One X. My experience is that they are about the same as far as crashing and lagging  etc goes.

 

I've never experienced any lag on my One X or the 4S but I did on the iPhone 4, 3GS and some of the cheaper Androids.

Edited by fredaroony - 6/21/12 at 2:29am

I am a semiconductor and display professional who has worked for a couple of Japanese MNC (in Japan), for Samsung (in Korea), and for Foxconn (in Taiwan).  Here is a simple summary of my experience about the corporate culture in the three countries.  Japanese developed many technologies in this area, Koreans stole most of it (especially Samsung) and Taiwanese companies licensed such technologies.  There is nothing racist about this, it is just a fact.

Edited by cheers777 - 6/21/12 at 4:26am

I am a semiconductor and display professional who has worked in for couple of Japanese MNC (in Japan), for Samsung (in Korea), and for Foxconn (in Taiwan).  Here is a simple summary of my experience about the corporate culture in the three countries.  Japanese developed many technologies in this area, Koreans stole most of it (especially Samsung) and Taiwanese companies licensed such technologies.  There is nothing racist about this, it is just a fact.

I don't know if cracker even was popular in the tech enthusiast culture, never mind got any traction outside of it. Another problem is the word is also used as a racial epithet.

Ah but see you have failed to understand the actual underlying reason that MS does that - it is a very sly strategy. 

 

MS knows that a certain percentage of users - typically business - are either on a software licensing contract that includes software updates - or will automatically upgrade every couple of years to the latest version of MS products - which means that a certain percentage of users will be effectively forced to use the new version. Now, if the new version were effectively the same as the old version from a UI perspective then the average user could seamlessly move from the new version at work to the older version at home etc with little or no adjustment. However, if moving from the office to home is a disjointed jarring experience how can you make your life easier? by purchasing the new version of course. So rather than taking 10 years for the entire user base to switch over to the new version - you can get maybe 80 or 90% converted over in a could years time.  

I am a semiconductor and display professional who has worked for couple of Japanese MNC (in Japan), for Samsung (in Korea), and for Foxconn (in Taiwan).  Here is a simple summary of my experience about the corporate culture in the three countries.  Japanese developed many technologies in this area, Koreans stole most of it (especially Samsung) and Taiwanese companies licensed such technologies.  There is nothing racist about this, it is just a fact.

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Not as much as you think and most times controllable, a weather widget will update at whatever intervals you set it at, while others can get refreshed by the user.

I think it goes beyond "Google has yet to unveil the OS". Your second paragraph is the more important one. Even if Google had laid out the entire OS in all it's glory, it would be meaningless to anyone using an existing Android phone. My daughter's Motorola Flipside just failed. Since it was covered with AT&T's warranty program, they sent her a Pantech P8000. Even though it was just shipped this week, it came with Android 2.2. Pantech's site says that you can upgrade to 2.3. Similarly, my ex bought a new phone last week. It was the latest Android phone from Straight Talk - and came with Android 2.3 and no upgrade is available.

It absolutely amazes me that the Android community puts up with this. After all, one of the key selling features is that the user supposedly has control over the system, but that's clearly not the case when it comes to upgrades.


It goes beyond the UI. While they've gotten much better lately, this approach has also used with file formats and hard disk formats. We bought a lot of copies of the latest Office package when .docx files started appearing from customers. We could have either asked the customers to send the file to us in .doc format (making us look like we were behind the times) or upgrade. Today, it's less of a problem because they finally created a .docx plugin for earlier versions, but when the file format first came out, that wasn't true.

Same thing with NTFS when it first came out. Some people had to upgrade to be able to read various drives.

I do have to admit, though, that MS has done less of this in the last few years. I guess because "upgrade from Vista to Windows 7 so that you have an OS that works" was enough of an incentive that they didn't need to do anything else.


That doesn't change what he said. It still uses RAM and CPU resources and potential stability problems.

Nice try at lying, but I can attest to your effort. The South Koreans built up their technical expertise via education. The Chinese on the other hand are the #1 copier of the world and will continue to do so at the expense of American and European consumers.

 

Gou's comment only stirs up madness among the Chinese to compete with Korean expertise, and I'm sure this is mainly due to Chinese firms losing contract over product development that require precise construction (like LNG containers and oil platforms). The fact is that Sharp TV's have been manufactured in China, and by any measure are inferior in quality says a lot about the CEO's dreams.
 

It's xenophobia mate. 

Low end phones are not updated that much or ever. Also in the USA the carriers have the final say in an update. Not the manufacturer. The next month and a half before the close of July you will see scores of android phones updated to version 4.0.X. And if you think that google is going to stop progress on the OS because carriers and OEMS can't get their sh!t together you are wrong. As of now my phone runs the latest version of android if a new version is announced next week I will have it next week. My phone does get updated. NEXUS

Ladies first. I am a gentleman.

Now this is a lot of info.

J.

It sounds like Terry Gou is a formidable ally for Apple.

J.

Man, it sure hasn't taken long for the memory of Jobs' legendary love of secrecy to fade......  Time was the comments on an article like this, regarding a manufacturing supplier shooting off his mouth about upcoming Apple products, would have mostly been taking bets on how long it would take Apple to have Gou fired, or killed, or fired then killed.  We could have been pretty sure that at the very least Gou would get a very, very unpleasant visit from Steve, and we would start to hear rumors of some kind of massive shift in Apple's manufacturing plans.

 

While Jobs' mercurial passions were sometimes counterproductive (as when he would abruptly switch up components based on nothing more than a manufacturing partner being a bit too chatty) it at least kept the lid on stupid shit like bragging about an unreleased product (which by the way for people wondering if this is a deliberate Apple ploy to use Gou as a mouthpiece-- you do know we're talking about Apple here, right?).  Hopefully the Cook era isn't going to just turn a blind eye to this kind of stuff, because part of the Apple mystique is not doing this-- not indulging in bullshit chest-beating, not making claims for unreleased products, not indulging in Samsung level "ha ha we own you" nonsense.

That's nonsense.

Note that Apple has had no problem updating the OS on iPads and iPhones. if it's the carrier's responsibility, why has Apple been able to do so consistently yet virtually none of the Android phones have had significant upgrades?

As for the rest, we'll see about 'scores of Android phones updated to 4.0.x'. Want to bet? Granted, new phones will come out with 4.0, but chances are that very, very few existing phones will ever see an upgrade - if history is any indication. What evidence do you have otherwise? The fact is that the overwhelming majority of Android phones are still on 2.2 and 2.3. If they never got upgraded to 3.0, what makes you so certain that they'll be upgraded to 4.0?

 

Your scenario sounds........ unlikely.

 

According to blurbs at other sites I don't believe "Jelly Bean" is a generational update, so don't expect Android 5.x. It should be simply an incremental update, thus 4.1x

That's even more ludicrous than Eric Schmidt's comment: "by the summer of 2012 [...] the majority of the televisions that you see in the television stores here will have Google TV embedded in it."


I don't expect it to be but from a marketing standpoint. With ICS and JB both being on 4 Google can better advertise that x% are using Android 4.x.

NO Android phones were officially upgraded to 3.0 AFAIK, because that version was never intended for phones in the first place. It was tablet specific according to Google.

 

3.x updates would have no bearing at all on whether an Android handset gets updated to 4.x versions. 

 

Actualy copy/paste and basic voice control on Android - since v1. This is a more complete list:

 

 

Because having some form of a feature not matter how poorly implemented is more important than a well thought out implementation so long as you can claim "First!" Well done¡

That's not racism, it is nationalism.  Koh and the Koreans are both of oriental descent.

 

I agree. iPhone multitasking is still limited.  iPhone voice control is limited as well: the current iPhone is still not capable voice-launching an app or voice-tweeting (available on the Galaxy). 

 

Andoid 1.0 copy/paste feature was adequate for its time: copying phone numbers, addresses, URLs worked like a charm: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofQqhJ_fa2M

...while iPhone users did not have any copy/paste.

Personally I prefer the iPhone voice control and find it works better than my Android phone but you are correct on your points i.e. launching app etc.

That was sarcasm. Also, iOS 6 fixes that.

A few notes on the business side of the Galaxy S3:

 

 

-Samsung said it will release the S3 via 296 carriers in 145 countries by July.

 

-Profit from Samsung's mobile division nearly tripled in January-March to $3.6 billion, accounting for 73 percent of operating profit.

 

-Analysts estimate its global marketing campaign for the S3 will likely have cost several hundred million dollars.

 

-Samsung - whose shares have gained 82 percent since late-August, beating Apple's 58 percent rise - is now banking on an aggressive marketing campaign ahead of the summer London Olympics to further drive sales. It has said its mobile market share in China doubled after the 2008 Beijing Olympics.

 http://www.foxbusiness.com/technology/2012/05/29/samsung-galaxy-s3-gets-head-start-on-rival-iphone/#ixzz1yWd3MBG1

I see this guy's response as only one thing... he's trash talking and I love it!  It's sweet and simple... his "dig" about respect for the Japanese style of communication and the "backstabbing" of the Koreans. How any of you can read "racism" into that line is beyond me.  This is only about how he wants to kick Samsung's butt and is mouthing off that he has the products and services to do it with!  Whether it's true or not, he's got the balls to do it publicly!  I support him on that!