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post #81 of 152
6/22/12 at 11:40am
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It's not that simple anymore though. When he said that in 1997 or 1998, it seemed to be true. But what is "the desktop"? That definition is changing.
I have a Mac Pro, with a 27" monitor. If you asked me in late 2009 whether that would remain my main desktop, I would have replied; Hell. Yeah! But no longer. Most of my daily computer use has been with an iPad. My friends who have bought one, an increasing number, have been finding that it does indeed grow on you, and that you spend more hours with it over time.
Most of those people own Windows machines. Though, that's changing as well.
It's very possible that we'll find iOS as the next major "desktop". In fact, I believe that it's already happening.
With estimates that tablet sales will exceed 375 million in 2016, the desktop will no longer be considered to be a Windows world. If the Surface doesn't have rapid and broad adoption, it will be out of the picture.

 

If only it was that simple:

 

1. The iPad is nowhere near powerful enough to replace the Mac unless all you use it for is simple tasks. Maybe one day but not anytime soon.

 

2. Tim Cook said only a few weeks ago at the AllThingsD conference that Apple had no plans to merge OSX and iOS or replace OSX with iOS.

 

As I said the Windows/Mac battle is over. They have reached a status quo that satisfies both parties.

 

Apple has re-invented itself and built a new OS for a new mobile world. That is the battle now. Looking backwards to the Windows battle would be a big mistake

 

Essentially Apple is now a mobile phone & consumer entertainment devices company that also make computers. Sorry if that hurts but it's the truth.

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post #82 of 152
6/22/12 at 11:42am
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god I hope so... it would be a sign that a great deal of people are not only untalented but do little with their free time if they can just survive with an iPad.

seeing how every book, web site, App, game, magazine -- you read, visit, use, play, and keep on an iPad are made on an REAL computer - it is far from dead. Again, unless you are untalented or a very simple person even at home - but hey more people drink Cocacola, over a good wine with a meal.

I have more respect for someone who actually thinks they needs a Windows PC over an iPad - they a bit confused fort not using OSX but at a minimum their lives do not fit in a Toy.

Now that you've insulted tens of millions of people, I guess it's time to say that you are a very unimaginative individual, with no understanding of people, or the world we live in.

I wonder what makes you think that you are so talented and sophisticated. It's likely that you are neither.
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post #83 of 152
6/22/12 at 11:42am
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post


Actually, Bill didn't retire at all. He just gave up the CEO position. He remains Executive Chairman, and heads a major committee on innovation. His is still the major power at Microsoft, and you can be sure that nothing Ballmer does isn't approved by him. He just removed himself from the limelight after the debacle of the Federal case against Microsoft where he was caught lying on the stand several times.

So reads the press release but Bill is just a figurehead. His passion is philanthropy not software and IMO he disdains money as well as Microsoft. Steve Bummer is his pet. We're all loyal to our pets even if they're destructive and dumb! 

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post #84 of 152
6/22/12 at 11:50am
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Originally Posted by Shaun, UK View Post

If only it was that simple:

1. The iPad is nowhere near powerful enough to replace the Mac unless all you use it for is simple tasks. Maybe one day but not anytime soon.

2. Tim Cook said only a few weeks ago at the AllThingsD conference that Apple had no plans to merge OSX and iOS or replace OSX with iOS.

As I said the Windows/Mac battle is over. They have reached a status quo that satisfies both parties.

Apple has re-invented itself and built a new OS for a new mobile world. That is the battle now. Looking backwards to the Windows battle would be a big mistake

Essentially Apple is now a mobile phone & consumer entertainment devices company that also make computers. Sorry if that hurts but it's the truth.

You're missing the point here. Most computing is trivial. Like what we're doing now. Not trivial in the sense of being unimportant, because when people communicate, it's always important. But trivial in the sense that it could be don't with far less processing power than we now have.

Most consumer computing is, as we all know, browsing the Internet. Doing e-mails. Messaging, twitter, Facebook, letters, playing general games, some light printing, etc.

All of that can easily be handled with the iPad.

I use my Mac Pro for Photoshop, publishing, video editing, mastering of music recordings, CAD, etc.

For anything heavy in that vein, the iPad isn't, yet, up to it. But for light video editing,
Publishing, Photography, and even CAD, it does just fine.

The only people who don't think so are those who haven't done it. And I've met a few who insisted they have, but under more intense questioning, I can tell that they're just BSing.
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post #85 of 152
6/22/12 at 11:51am
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Originally Posted by Wayne2612 View Post

 

i've been a mac convert for almost 12 months now, i took the plunge and bought a macbook pro last summer. i can most definitely state that os x lion is no more reliable than what windows 7 is. my mac has crashed more times on me in the last 12 months than what windows 7 has in the last 2 years. os x is full of bugs and apple software certainly does not "just work". tell that to everybody who recently downloaded the latest thunderbolt update for their macs to then find out that they wouldn't boot up. microsoft is not alone in making serious screw up's, or having the monopoly on buggy software. os x has loads of bugs, take the volume keys not working when you boot up, you have to plug in headphones and unplug them again before the volume keys work. this is a bug that's been in os x since around 2007 and it still isn't fixed....

 

I think Microsoft gets a bad rap for Windows but only because OTHER peoples hardware messes things up.  I think they actually do quite well considering all hardware is made by someone else.  Apple owns hardware and software so they have less of an excuse....

 

It will be interesting how the Surface works out since Microsoft will then own both the software AND the hardware....

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post #86 of 152
6/22/12 at 11:55am
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Originally Posted by MJ Web View Post

So reads the press release but Bill is just a figurehead. His passion is philanthropy not software and IMO he disdains money as well as Microsoft. Steve Bummer is his pet. We're all loyal to our pets even if they're destructive and dumb! 

He's not a figurehead. And this "passion", as told by his father, who got him into it, is because he was tired of reading bad things about himself in the press, as well as being hit by pies wherever he went. As his father said, in a video interview, he suggested to his son that he do this so that he could get out of that rat race. People close to him said that he was very rattled at Microsoft's trial when he was found out to have lied several times.

And don't ever forget that he is by far, the biggest stockholder in Microsoft. If he doesn't want something done, it won't get done. Don't be naive.
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post #87 of 152
6/22/12 at 12:28pm

Even if people to go back to a notebook (some will, most won't, I suspect) the halo effect may mean it is an Apple notebook.

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post #88 of 152
6/22/12 at 12:37pm

Wow... Put this into the dictionary next to the definition of 'Whistling Past the Graveyard'.
 

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post #89 of 152
6/22/12 at 12:39pm
I was in best buy the other day and every effing pc of of course had windows. Every pc had this software running advertising its capabilities. Dell, Sony ect are nothing but clowns. They simply help MS off set the cost of hardware by building the machines and paying MS a licensing fee. Big freaking wow!
And all their screens had a washed out appearance to them. Only the Apple computers had vibrant, deep colors. I picked up a last season MacBook air 11 inch. 2 gig ram, 64 gig HD. It was a floor sample. I got it for $564.00!!! 18 months no financing. Incredible!!!
Screw the pc and MS.
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post #90 of 152
6/22/12 at 12:40pm
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You are dreaming ..go to any information system department of any company and see if Windows is over..

 

 

Every office has a bunch of fax machines too.

Just sayin'.
 

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post #91 of 152
6/22/12 at 12:51pm
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Originally Posted by nunyabinez View Post

Jerry, I don't think it is sufficient to refute an argument (that MacBooks have increased in sales while netbooks have decreased in sales) but just saying "you're wrong" You can either ask for proof, or provide counter proof, but your response is insufficient. So, if you want to be proactive, refute this if not ask the OP to support.

 

 

The original assertion was not about netbooks.  That likely is the cause of your confusion. 

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post #92 of 152
6/22/12 at 12:51pm
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post


Nothing is perfect. But your problems are not the average, to be sure. And there are plenty of Microsoft apologists as well, they just don't see themselves that way.

 

oh i'm not a microsoft apologist either, i've done my fair share of ranting and raving about them too. i've just never understood the praise on apple, like they can do no wrong when they clearly can. like all companies, they have their faults.

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post #93 of 152
6/22/12 at 12:55pm
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Originally Posted by nunyabinez View Post

I don't want to dismiss your experience, but something is very atypical with what you describe. A "crash" for a Mac is called a Kernal Panic, and they are extremely rare. I know I have had one or two in all the years of owning macs (I won't count my Hackintosh, which will KP occasionally when I am making serious edits to the system, but even that machine is incredibly stable). The application crashes that I have had have almost exclusively been either MS apps like Word, or caused by other third parties like Flash or Java.

 

As far as your alleged volume issue, I cannot recreate this on a 2008 MBP nor on a 2011 MBA. And for the record there is still no recorded incident of a VIRUS on a Mac. You give an example of Malware which again BTW was the result of a third party (Java). So, no one reading this site is going to fall for the "Macs aren't any more secure than PC" argument, because the OS is inherently more secure, regardless of how big a target Macs are.

 

So, what do you suppose is the reason that people didn't get all up in arms because there was a few day lag before the TB update was delivered? You seem to suppose that it is some powerful mind control (Anytime I see Fanboy in a post I know I can immediately discount most of what is said). Maybe it is because these things are very infrequent and usually handled well. I'm sorry you're not having the same great experience with OS X that most of us are, but as I said, what you describe is not the experience most of us have. And that experience is what makes us defend Apple from the FUD that gets posted.

 

oh i do enjoy my mac and like i said, i'm glad i made the switch, i was just meaning to say that macs aren't infallible, they have their problems too. the crashes i've had, besides application crashes and the kernel panic i mentioned, i've had the finder crash quite frequently. having to do a force quit and a relaunch, it's never relaunched and worked, i've always had to hold the power button down and do a complete reboot.

i do really like the responsiveness of os x compared to windows, i was just pointing out that like all operating systems, os x has its fair share of problems too

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post #94 of 152
6/22/12 at 12:56pm
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Originally Posted by BigMac2 View Post

 

PC hardware is declining

 

 

While "declining" is ambiguous, you cannot mean that PC unit volume has been declining.  That is not true.  More PCs get sold every year.

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post #95 of 152
6/22/12 at 1:01pm
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Originally Posted by Wayne2612 View Post

i've just never understood the praise on apple, like they can do no wrong when they clearly can. like all companies, they have their faults.
You've never stood praising Apple which you've concluded means the person believes Apple can't do any wrong? I think I see the problem with your thinking.

Most of the posters on this forum I respect — many of which I disagree with often — have negative and positive views about Apple and a wide array of topics that seem to crop up here. I'd say only a handful of regular posters over the years seem to never speak ill of Apple and a great many whom I consider to be trolls never have anything positive to say, but most just find Apple tends to be better for their needs, not perfect.

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post #96 of 152
6/22/12 at 1:02pm

It will happen. Not overnight, but as these ongoing trends continue and pickup speed, Windows will fade away. There are too many who have been burned by the MS failures and constant problems with use of Windows. People, and corporations too, want software and equipment that works, is dependable, and not in constant need of all sorts of fixes. The wrting is on the wall. Just ask NOKIA. 

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post #97 of 152
6/22/12 at 1:09pm

oops

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post #98 of 152
6/22/12 at 1:12pm
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post


Your experience is just a small subset of what business people do with their portable devices. SAP, for example has purchased more than 20,000 iPads, and has replaced people's notebooks with them. They have reported an increase in productivity, and that their staff is happier using them.
SAP isn't alone here. Few people need to work on a full blown spreadsheet or database whole on the road. For the few that do, a tablet, at least for now, isn't the thing to use. But for most other uses, it's just as good, or better.
You're going to have to get used to that idea, like it or not. Forrester Research recently reported that in 2011, businesses (not BYOD) bought $6 billion of iPads. That in 2012" business will buy $9 billion of iPads, and that in 2013" businesses will buy $16 billion of iPads.
If that doesn't validate the iPad for business use, I don't know what else might.

sure, when a custom tablet app can do the job for work in the field, it's better. but don't be so fast to brush off all the traditional office work. millions of people still do that too. you seem to have missed my initial sentence:  it is all about using the right tool for the job/situation.

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post #99 of 152
6/22/12 at 1:12pm
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Originally Posted by Alfiejr View Post

amazing how few tech blabbers can grasp it is all about using the right tool for the job/situation.

 

unlike the tech blabbers who mainly hang out, do "social" on the web, and then BS on their websites, i do "real work" - spreadsheets, contracts, detailed memos, review designs, etc. so my work setup now is very simple: on the desk are wireless mouse/keyboard and a thunderbolt display to go with my basic Macbook (just two wires to plug in, total). on the road, i just take the same Macbook of course, which is brain dead simple to do. not a Macbook Air because the optical drive is still important because, despite all the hype about the cloud and such, the easiest and most dependable way to swap/leave behind lots of files with people from other companies, attorneys, designers, etc. on the spot is still to burn CD's and receive/give it to them (no fiddling needed with their IT or ID's or anything, can do it anywhere, and they can then be shared with others in those offices very easily too).

 

 

Apparently we have similar needs.  I do find tho that a USB memory stick works as good or better than an optical disk so I don't need an optical drive.  If the iPad had a USB port it would probably get me to 80%(good enough to live with) of what I need for a portable computer.   

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post #100 of 152
6/22/12 at 1:16pm
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Originally Posted by MJ Web View Post

Bill Gates retired from MSFT 6 years ago this week.

Look what Steve Bummer accomplished single-handedly in only a half decade!

Win 8 looks as if Mondiran went blind and crazy. 

Windows will be a memory by 2020. 

 LOL MJ Web. That Win interface does no justice to modern art. Mondrian it ain't. And just what it is, I can't tell. Rectangles, squares, boxes, gawd awful. Reminds me of the damn ribbon. Or was that just Salvador Dali on speed?

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post #101 of 152
6/22/12 at 1:22pm
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Originally Posted by JerrySwitched26 View Post

 

 

While "declining" is ambiguous, you cannot mean that PC unit volume has been declining.  That is not true.  More PCs get sold every year.

 

I mean Microsoft them self estimate global PC sale fell between 2 to 4% last year. Windows profit as decline year over year since mid 2000's

http://betanews.com/2012/01/19/microsoft-q2-2012-by-the-numbers-windows-revenue-falls-6/

 

Right now Apple sold more iProducts worldwide then PCs

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post #102 of 152
6/22/12 at 1:29pm
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Apparently we have similar needs.  I do find tho that a USB memory stick works as good or better than an optical disk so I don't need an optical drive.  If the iPad had a USB port it would probably get me to 80%(good enough to live with) of what I need for a portable computer.   

 

What you need a USB port for on a tablet? If you really miss one on the iPad, here is the solution:

http://store.apple.com/us/product/MC531ZM/A?fnode=MTc0MjU4NjE

 

For myself, Dropbox is all I need to move data in and out of my iPad and iPhone.

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post #103 of 152
6/22/12 at 1:40pm
iPad is one of the greatest learning devices ever invented.. In case u did not know..
Suggest u revise you post!
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post #104 of 152
6/22/12 at 1:54pm

I haven`t used a disk or USB drive since I got my Dropbox account years ago.

 

The PC makers in this article are idiots if they can`t see that tablets are eating the laptop market and by tablets I mean iPads.

 

I am an Apple fanboy.

2009 MBP

2006 Mac Mini

iPad 1

iPad 2

1Phone

Apple TV

Airport routers all over the place.

 

I switched to Mac a few years ago due to absolute frustration with the idiocy that was Windows.

 

BUT...

 

I just got a new Dell at work with Win 7 on it and I`m impressed, so far I like the OS and have zero problems.

We`ll see how long that lasts

 

MS's Surface (If it isn`t vaporware) looks impressive as does Win 8 and Metro.

 

If you think nobody in Cupertino said "hmmmm...??."when that keyboard cover was brought into view on the Surface a few days ago you`re deluding yourself.

They also leap frogged Apple in the use of "Liquid Metal" in that tablet.

 

To say that MS will be "done" in just a few years is crazy as it seems they`ve finally made a fairly cohesive move to actually compete in the mobile market.

 

I`d like to see them thrive if for no other reason than to keep Apple on it`s toes.

 

They`re late to the party but they seem to made a memorable entrance.

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post #105 of 152
6/22/12 at 2:14pm

The key to whether the iPad or PC laptops will win out for most is convenience and functionality. Chipsets and all are critical -- for the hardware and software designers. For user it is functionality and convenience. My bets are on the iPad (and other tablets like perhaps the MS Surface). They will become more capable and more functional. More apps and more functional apps will be written and purchased. Laptops will be squeezed; they will need to do things that the iPad cannot do that people want to do -- what would that be? 

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post #106 of 152
6/22/12 at 2:30pm
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post #107 of 152
6/22/12 at 2:35pm
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To say that MS will be "done" in just a few years is crazy as it seems they`ve finally made a fairly cohesive move to actually compete in the mobile market.

 

I`d like to see them thrive if for no other reason than to keep Apple on it`s toes.

 

They`re late to the party but they seem to made a memorable entrance.

they haven't entered yet... they've just flashed a sexy leg, that in fact stumbled as it walked past the door.

 

They will thrive, but this thread really identifies 'how' they will thrive.

 

they've made a cohesive plan, to move into an area they have no market success (consumer electronics)

Planning a move is different than 'executing' a move.  Especially when their 'first' mobile tablet isn't mobile (no 3G/4G)

 

I think Horace D from Asymco.com says it best... 'just who is Microsoft's Tim Cook?'  Apple has perfected the HW supply chain, on top of marrying SW to HW to Cloud Services to retail.  Steve and Jonny may have thought it up, but Tim executed.   I don't see a single person in Microsoft's Executive row that can make that happen.  Execution.

 

For Microsoft to succeed they need to make $100 per every 'endpoint' they sell. Or increase the number of endpoints.  Since they are not competing with the iPad (price wise and touting a keyboard).   It's pretty clear that microsoft isn't after Apple's lunch... it's after the HW makers that make ultrabooks and eventually phones.   It wants their $50/device profit, and it can survive at least a little longer, to figure out a way to compete with a 'free'  OS platform for phones and mobile (Google).

 

 

Don't get me wrong... I like Apple as much as you do, and competition as much as you desire... but I _really_really_ don't comprehend Microsoft's strategy for the last 6 years.   Personally, I  agree with others... Microsoft and HP will likely go the route of IBM and just start to sell professional services to corporations, and get out of the desktop market completely.

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post #108 of 152
6/22/12 at 2:50pm
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Originally Posted by daylove22 View Post

..no one in the right mind will use Mac in the corporate world. Moreover, Mac os x is as buggy as Windows and gets viruses too btw. I love Apple but for complex applications you simply cannot use their software.

This dude needs a glass stomach. With his head shoved that far up his a$$, he can't see where he's going! 1smile.gif
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post #109 of 152
6/22/12 at 2:56pm
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Originally Posted by kingsmuse View Post

I haven`t used a disk or USB drive since I got my Dropbox account years ago.

The PC makers in this article are idiots if they can`t see that tablets are eating the laptop market and by tablets I mean iPads.

I am an Apple fanboy.
2009 MBP
2006 Mac Mini
iPad 1
iPad 2
1Phone
Apple TV
Airport routers all over the place.

I switched to Mac a few years ago due to absolute frustration with the idiocy that was Windows.

BUT...

I just got a new Dell at work with Win 7 on it and I`m impressed, so far I like the OS and have zero problems.
We`ll see how long that lasts

MS's Surface (If it isn`t vaporware) looks impressive as does Win 8 and Metro.

If you think nobody in Cupertino said "hmmmm...??."when that keyboard cover was brought into view on the Surface a few days ago you`re deluding yourself.
They also leap frogged Apple in the use of "Liquid Metal" in that tablet.

To say that MS will be "done" in just a few years is crazy as it seems they`ve finally made a fairly cohesive move to actually compete in the mobile market. Some people use a word that rhyme with "toll" which describes a creature that often lives in a hole.

I`d like to see them thrive if for no other reason than to keep Apple on it`s toes.

They`re late to the party but they seem to made a memorable entrance.

When you state Apple gadgets that you own you are only announcing that you are an operative of the competition.

Microsoft Surface is garbage. A poor hybrid that is the result of the worst of a tablet combined with the worst of an ultraportable. Ultraportables have better construction that doesn't require a kickstand or a keyboard with minimal vertical travel (1.5 mm). A keyboard is unnecessary for a tablet with an excellent multi-touch user interface.

Microsoft Metro UI and Microsoft Windows 8 as a result are hideously repulsive with large typography and monochromatic elements comprised mostly of primary colors in basic squares and rectangles. With such a small selection of colors and other design elements, developers may have difficulty creating a design that is intuitive and readily-identifiable.

Vapor deposited magnesium has almost nothing in common with LiquidMetal (a process for creating amorphous metal alloys).

What cohesive move has Microsoft made in the mobile market? While Microsoft has some strengths they have previously failed to leverage properly, there is no evidence as yet that they "will get it right this time."

Apps - Nothing announced
Books - Nothing announced
Calendars, Contacts and Email - Microsoft Hotmail
Games - Nothing announced but Xbox Live is a well recognized brand
Maps - Bing Maps
Music - Nothing announced
Search - Bing Search
Social - Nothing announced
Video Conferencing - Skype
Edited by MacBook Pro - 6/22/12 at 3:02pm
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post #110 of 152
6/22/12 at 3:09pm
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Originally Posted by daylove22 View Post

You are dreaming ..go to any information system department of any company and see if Windows is over..no one in the right mind will use Mac in the corporate world. Moreover, Mac os x is as buggy as Windows and gets viruses too btw. I love Apple but for complex applications you simply cannot use their software.

The ONLY reason that many corps haven't switched is 'perceived' cost of learning and adapting to a new OS. If they factored in Windows OS costs in terms of field down time, costs associated with support lines, sending computers in for repair or reformat, lost productivity, etc., I think that they find out that switching to Mac OS would be cheaper in the long run, but most companies are short run minded these days. My company still uses Blackberrys due to the same perceived issues. If you think that OSX is as buggy as Windows, then you've never used OSX. 

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post #111 of 152
6/22/12 at 3:37pm

mmm....

after having been out of macs for almost a decade (I even have the 5 old Inside Macintosh volumes in my library), I bought an iPhone some 3 years ago. Now the apple count at my home is: 2 iPhone 3GS of my kids, an iphone4 for myself, an ipad2, a new iPad for my wife (envying the iPhones of us, having an android from her job); an iMac, a macbook, a macbook pro, a Time Capsule, an AppleTV (just recently, and we completely stopped using regular TV after it). Seriously considering a Mini server now.

All of previous windows pc's are abandoned, completely useless. A couple of windows' softwares (trading, database) are used with parallels without any problem. All my thousands of CD of music are now digitalized and on iCloud, and now streamed to a good high end stereo, by means of a clumsy logitech device, soon to be replaced by another appleTV.

 

talk about hallo effect, mac ecosystem, etc... People that don't use mac's, iPad or iPhones just don't get it. ...otherwise, they would rush to buy AAPL shares.

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post #112 of 152
6/22/12 at 3:39pm
You could just use your old iMac as a display and get a Mac mini for the machine upgrade.
$599 upgrade the ram yourself.
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post #113 of 152
6/22/12 at 4:04pm
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Originally Posted by JerrySwitched26 View Post

 

 

While "declining" is ambiguous, you cannot mean that PC unit volume has been declining.  That is not true.  More PCs get sold every year.

Actually - for 2011 it was pretty flat.  IDC says up 1.6%, http://www.computerworlduk.com/news/it-business/3329609/idc-and-gartner-say-pc-shipments-down-in-q4-2011/, without Apple, the market was up maybe 0.5%.  This is definitely within the margin of error for IDC so I think we can all say 2011 was flat.

 

Statista seems to show a pretty flat market for 2 plus years.  http://www.statista.com/statistics/12734/sales-of-pc-manufacturers-by-quarter/

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post #114 of 152
6/22/12 at 4:12pm

I'm waiting for a 12-15 inch MacBook with touch screen. One day, maybe... No trackpad is as fast as directly pointed fingers anyway.

 

Got an iPad but went back to my MacBooks and bigger Macs rather fast, as:

 

1) A laptop sits better in my lap. A Mac, that is (with no vents underneath).

 

2) Had to hold the iPad all the time - doesn't work well on a table, either.

 

3) Apple (Simon) says what you may do with an iPad. With Macs (so far) that's not the case. There's always Linux for the really geeky stuff.

 

My goddaughter now has the iPad and loves it. Not sure what she does with it all the time, but main thing is she's happy. A typical user, for sure - not someone like me who takes everything apart to see how it works. I'm part of a small - "iFixit" - minority only.

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post #115 of 152
6/22/12 at 4:29pm
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Originally Posted by tjwal View Post

 

Apparently we have similar needs.  I do find tho that a USB memory stick works as good or better than an optical disk so I don't need an optical drive.  If the iPad had a USB port it would probably get me to 80%(good enough to live with) of what I need for a portable computer.   

yeah, you're right. but the USB sticks are easy to misplace ... and you can't write/label on them. they all look the same!

 

gotta remember the basic rule: anything someone can mess up, it'll get messed up. at least in my reality.

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post #116 of 152
6/22/12 at 4:37pm

APPLE IS DOOM!

 

Just went to Best Buy and not a single Zune in sight! They are flying off the shelves!


Edited by Relefunt - 6/22/12 at 4:45pm
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6/22/12 at 4:39pm
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You're missing the point here. Most computing is trivial. Like what we're doing now. Not trivial in the sense of being unimportant, because when people communicate, it's always important. But trivial in the sense that it could be don't with far less processing power than we now have.
Most consumer computing is, as we all know, browsing the Internet. Doing e-mails. Messaging, twitter, Facebook, letters, playing general games, some light printing, etc.
All of that can easily be handled with the iPad.
I use my Mac Pro for Photoshop, publishing, video editing, mastering of music recordings, CAD, etc.
For anything heavy in that vein, the iPad isn't, yet, up to it. But for light video editing,
Publishing, Photography, and even CAD, it does just fine.
The only people who don't think so are those who haven't done it. And I've met a few who insisted they have, but under more intense questioning, I can tell that they're just BSing.

 

I'm not missing the point - that was exactly the point I was making. For most people it's not a PC/Mac or iPad - it's both. You simply use them for different tasks, which is exactly what Tim Cook said at AllThingsD. He specifically said that the iPad would NOT replace the Mac. Ok if all you need is something to check your emails on then the iPad is ok but most of us use our computers for a lot more. You couldn't do all that work stuff on your iPad. I could not run my business using iPad - in fact even if I could I wouldn't want to because looking at a tiny 10" screen all day would drive me mad. I don't know why so many people find this so hard to grasp - there is no convergence between the Mac and the iPad. They are different devices intended for different purposes. I think Tim said it would be like combining a fridge and toaster together.

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post #118 of 152
6/22/12 at 4:48pm
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Within 3 months of getting an iPad, I sold my almost-new MBP. I will probably always have an iMac, but just have less and less need for it. Of course, my opinion is worthless, but I do see iPads (and maybe other tablets) replacing home PCs in the coming years.

 

 

I've been riding the Mac OSX highway since 1984 and iOS for a few years now, so I won't be buying a Windows machine. That said, I believe an alternate PC operating system like Windows will still exist purely because it's something not out #1 Infinite Loop. Microsoft IMO could care less what form factor is predominate as long as it's using Windows whatever.

 

The laptop market is evolving into a more mobile form. It's not decreasing at all just changing. People who see the laptop, or for that matter any computer, as a tool to get some task done, are not people who know or bother to know or care what or how the computer works internally. These people will be brand loyal, price aware, and looking for the prettiest lightest computer for the price that does the task it was intended for. Some will switch to iOS exclusively, most laptop owners will stick to that form factor.

 

Personal computing and social networking will dominate the usage of any laptop bought today (even if it was for business). Mobility in this (device ?) market is key but won't replace the desktop machine. Maybe the desktop form factor will change somewhat but the task it is designed for will allow it to survive and flourish in its market.

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post #119 of 152
6/22/12 at 4:58pm
If I could do my design work on the very iPad I'm typing this post on, I'd probably dump my MacBook and be done with it. The iPad and (iOS in general) has a little ways to go I think but to be honest it's a lot closer than most people may want to admit. These devices are easily doing far more than just consuming information and content. I can do sketches and illustrations for clients with some very robust apps and that software didn't even cost me a 10 spot. When the vector art and layout software (which does exist) gets to the point of being as easy to use as Illustrator and InDesign...watch out. An iPad with a capacitive stylus and that kind of software would be amazing for me in meetings.

Windows enthusiasts and IT guys entrenched in the Windows world still stick by the idea that Windows isn't going anywhere. If WinXP is still running on the install base that it has, then no, Windows isn't going anywhere. Literally. Win8 isn't likely to improve that either since even Win7 is such a drastic pill for a lot of corporations to swallow. Everything mission critical was built for Win2000/XP and IE6. Plus, while it seems that Win8 will improve on Win7s non-Metro underpinnings, it's still basically Win7 with a couple new features. Metro is the real star of that show...and not everyone is so enthusiastic about it. Even the tech-media aren't too terribly sure about it. In other words, XP was the best thing Microsoft ever did...and now it's killing their business.

While the Surface Pro maybe full Win8 on a slab and may do the things I describe the iPad doing in the future, the demonstrations and Microsoft's desperation to show something, ANYTHING...doesn't bode well. Plus when the first unit locked up...classic Microsoft demonstration. Those are like Microsoft's version of the Stevenote staple "One More Thing..." only much more entertaining. I'll stick with my iPad.

Apple? Why can't you make a phone that doesn't have problems? Scuffs? Purple lens flares? You can do better, phone buying public. We are Samsung and we approve this message.

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Apple? Why can't you make a phone that doesn't have problems? Scuffs? Purple lens flares? You can do better, phone buying public. We are Samsung and we approve this message.

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post #120 of 152
6/22/12 at 5:42pm
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You are dreaming ..go to any information system department of any company and see if Windows is over..no one in the right mind will use Mac in the corporate world. Moreover, Mac os x is as buggy as Windows and gets viruses too btw. I love Apple but for complex applications you simply cannot use their software.

 

Oh thanks! I had no idea why I was not getting any work done on my maintenance-free Macs for the past 15 years! You've really opened my eyes! Thanks!

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