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Apple's Passbook application in iOS 6 will likely be enhanced with digital wallet and ticketing services thanks to a near-field communications chip in the company's next-generation iPhone, according to an executive with an airline information technology company.

Jim Peters, the chief technology officer at SITA, a company that specializes in IT and telecommunication services for the airline industry, spoke last Thursday at the annual Air Transport IT Summit in Brussels, Belgium, according to IDG News Service. He believes NFC technology for services like e-wallets and digital airline ticketing will be widespread by the end of this year, thanks largely to the inclusion of an NFC chip in Apple's next iPhone.

Peters said that NFC adoption up until now has been held back because network operators and smartphone makers have been debating who will take a cut of NFC transactions. Wireless providers and companies like Google and Research in Motion haven't been thinking about the user, he said.

"Who is thinking of the user? Apple," he said. "They don't argue about it with anybody. They came out with Passbook last week, which is an electronic wallet that they are going to start putting stuff on."

The SITA CTO expects that Apple will "sneak up on the industry" by offering digital wallet and ticketing support with its Passbook application and the company's sixth-generation iPhone.

"They are going to get people using it (the Passbook application) and then all of a sudden they will allow credit cards to be used in there, on the next iPhone, which will include NFC," Peters said.

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SITA is currently experimenting with NFC technology that will allow passengers to access the car park and business lounges at the airport in Toulouse, France, using NFC technology. He expects the next step will be secure boarding passes that rely on wireless NFC technology for secure authentication, and he thinks that shift will come about because of Apple.

"You need to get ready, this is coming. This is going to happen," he told airline professionals at the summit. "By the end of the year the majority of smartphones that you go and buy will have NFC on them. If in October the next iPhone comes out and it has NFC on it, it's game over."

Passbook was highlighted as one of the hallmark features of iOS 6 by Apple at its annual Worldwide Developers Conference earlier this month. The software is a new native application that will come built in to the next-generation mobile operating system when it launches this fall.

Passbook features a card-like interface that presents users' personal items. In one example provided by Apple, a user might have their boarding pass saved with Passbook, and if the boarding gate for their flight changes, the ticket would be updated to reflect this and the user would be sent a notification.

Passbook will also feature geolocation technology that will automatically pull up the appropriate card for a user based on their location. In one example, a user's Starbucks store card would show up when they visit the coffee chain.

Apple has been rumored for years to include NFC technology in a future iPhone, but to date no iPhone models have included an integrated NFC chip. Competing handsets, like Google's Nexus S, have included NFC chips, but e-wallet payments have yet to take off with services like Google Wallet.
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I would be surprised if the next iPhone had NFC tech.  There is no infrastructure.  Apple rarely adds features that cannot be widely used.

 

If Apple added NFC, it would first make deals with various third parties to have working infrastructure in place, and we would have heard leaks.

 

I doubt that Apple will add NFC until it is well established.  Then they will improve upon it and take over.  Until then, the chip would be near useless, and Apple does not add useless features to their products.

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I would be surprised if the next iPhone had NFC tech.  There is no infrastructure.  Apple rarely adds features that cannot be widely used.

If Apple added NFC, it would first make deals with various third parties to have working infrastructure in place, and we would have heard leaks.

I doubt that Apple will add NFC until it is well established.  Then they will improve upon it and take over.  Until then, the chip would be near useless, and Apple does not add useless features to their products.

NFC can be used other than e-wallets you know.. On the subject of mobile payments, with carriers, credit card companies, hardware manufacturers arguing over NFC who better to get NFC moving forward than the company known to do whatever the hell they want? Apple..
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when he says: 

"They are going to get people using it (the Passbook application) and then all of a sudden they will allow credit cards to be used in there, on the next iPhone, which will include NFC," Peters said."

does he mean he thinks NFC will not be included in the model coming out this autumn?

 

If it doesnt include NFC of some kind other than what they have announced/hinted Passbook would be, it will be an unbelievable product development mistake and market mis-read.

 

i hope we begin to hear rumors of apple meeting with visa and american express and jcb just like we did when apple was meeting with book publishers and movie studios just before the key notes.

 

 

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Everybody's getting all lathered up about an NFC chip when going cashless is already underway with phones and tablets through software, and, if you want to receive payments, one little plugin doohickey. It's happening. Now.

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So the obvious question is, why would Apple trail the field and NOT include an NFC chip in its next smartphone?

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Apple NFC might be Bluetooth 4.0...

I read in a Cult of Mac article that Apple might be using low power Bluetooth 4.0 instead of NFC.

 

http://www.cultofmac.com/168259/inside-apples-secret-plan-to-kill-the-cash-register/

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So the obvious question is, why would Apple trail the field and NOT include an NFC chip in its next smartphone?

 

Don't know, but barcode display/scanning is more secure than NFC. NFC can be scanned by someone standing near you in a crowd. You don't have to display a barcode until you are in front of the scanner.

 

Couple that with the fact that US Customs sometimes insists on printed boarding passes and itineraries it's not going to take off as fast as it should.

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I read in a Cult of Mac article that Apple may use low-power Bluetooth 4.0 instead of NFC.

 

http://www.cultofmac.com/168259/inside-apples-secret-plan-to-kill-the-cash-register/

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Don't know, but barcode display/scanning is more secure than NFC..

Theoretically, but a number of security measures are already being incorporated in NFC. Facial recognition is just one.
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Couple that with the fact that US Customs sometimes insists on printed boarding passes and itineraries it's not going to take off as fast as it should.

Hogwash, unsubstantiated speculation and FUD.

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Don't know, but barcode display/scanning is more secure than NFC. NFC can be scanned by someone standing near you in a crowd.

No it isn't and no it can't. NFC has an effective range of 6" by creating a secure local loop.

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Jerryswithced26 AirPrint is a feature that apple implement that's is not widely use so I could see NFC in the next Iphone
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Jerryswithced26 AirPrint is a feature that apple implement that's is not widely use so I could see NFC in the next Iphone

That's neither true nor an indication of anything.

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(ed, this is false, see below)

Yes it is hp printers are the only one that support AirPrint and only a select few at that
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Yes it is hp printers are the only one that support AirPrint and only a select few at that

Here is that very limited selection of Apple AirPrint compatible printers available:

Brother
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Brother MFC-J280W
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Brother MFC-J430W
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Brother MFC-J435W
Brother MFC-J5910DW
Brother MFC-J625DW
Brother MFC-J825DW
Brother MFC-J825N
Brother MFC-J835DW
Brother MFC-J955DN
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Canon MG5330
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Yes it is hp printers are the only one that support AirPrint and only a select few at that

That's factually incorrect. There are a lot of AirPrint capable printers from multiple manufacturers.

http://support.apple.com/kb/ht4356
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Oh, good. I was going to post that list, but you've saved me the time.

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What is the estimated cost per phone for adding this NFC chip?  Anyone know?

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Oh, good. I was going to post that list, but you've saved me the time.

Sorry for posting the entire list but logic suggests that anyone too lazy to type three words in a search engine then choose the very first link is too lazy to click on a hyperlink. Then again said person might be too lazy to read such a large list of Apple AirPrint compatible printers.
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What is the estimated cost per phone for adding this NFC chip?  Anyone know?

 

Probably pennies per handset. After all, the Japanese and South Koreans have been using NFC-enabled phones since about 2005.

 

Note that there are already plenty of NFC chips out there (transit cards, some credit cards, etc.). My American Express Blue card used to have the contactless PayPass chip in it (oddly, the most recently issued card does not).

 

There's also a good chance that the NFC functionality would be part of a feature set in another chip. It is likely that there are multiple ways for Apple to implement NFC functionality, with different levels of complexity and integration.

 

We won't really know until someone like iFixit or iSuppli tears down a handset after the release and itemizes the components.


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I doubt that Apple will add NFC until it is well established.  Then they will improve upon it and take over.  Until then, the chip would be near useless, and Apple does not add useless features to their products.

 

I see your point, but NFC hardware and software are relatively cheap and risk-free to develop and deploy.  And Apple does tend to start many technology trends, and mobile contactless payments could be next.  400 million active iTunes Store accounts with credit cards could go a long way toward convincing retailers, airlines, theaters, stadiums, etc. to go with Apple's (eventual) solution.

 

 

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Probably pennies per handset. After all, the Japanese and South Koreans have been using NFC-enabled phones since about 2005.

 

And they've been using NFC-enabled credit cards since the early 1990s.

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In the Case of airlines why would nfc be needed, I swear Ive seen people on united pull up there boarding passed on their iphones. isnt that what pasbook is doing, just organizing your cards then pulling them up and can be scanned by readers in place? I wonder how the information goes into passbook, if someone buys you a gift card, can you take a picture with your phone or do you have enter all the digits and so forth? Seems like there trying to bypass NFC more then anything. It would be cool to have like an airdrop feature between phones using bluetooth. So you didnt have to send mms all the time.
 

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Our company competes with SITA in Aviation IT and this is just speculation at a very high level and their hyperactive PR Department in overdrive.

 

There is no factual evidence that Apple plans to incorporate NFC and, to be honest, if they did it would revolutionise aviation because deployment of anything new in this field takes a looooooong time to reach critical mass. Heck, 2D barcodes are still making waves!!

 

Aviation is hoping for something gimmicky like NFC to breathe life into outdated Passenger Services but the fact of the matter is that airport infrastructure globally (not just in a few high profile airports) needs to catch up with being able to read barcodes off smartphone screens even though the hardware exists. Apple Passbook adopters should consider the percentage of airports (or airlines for that matter) that would actually allow you to breeze past security and onto a flight with just your a barcode on your mobile. It is nowhere near what you would hope and expect in 2012.

 

Imaginarily bolting NFC onto an iPhone 5 in such certain terms seems is either grabbing headlines or this guy is privy to information that no one outside Cupertino or Foxconn is supposed to know.

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(ed, this is false, see below)
Yes it is hp printers are the only one that support AirPrint and only a select few at that
And there is free software out there that lets your Mac* advertise itself as in AirPrint printer to iPads and such.

* I am to lazy to install this until the kids are back in school and all of them are whining about needing to print.
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...  Apple rarely adds features that cannot be widely used...

 

Like Thunderbolt?

Like FireWire when it was first introduced?

Like selling a computer with no floppy-drive?

 

Apple is no stranger to introducing new features... even when no one else is doing it yet.

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I'd rather just use the phone and Apple not need additional chips and things to do what software can already do. 

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I would consider Apple Passbook i.e. the ability to do digital transaction w/o the need for additional HW on both sides to be more robust and secure than NFC. With Passbook, the info that is going to be used can be restricted, controlled and consolidated into one place rather than every apps pulling NFC data by their own. With Passbook i.e. on-screen barcodes, everything is in one place. Of course, Apple could channel NFC transactions used by different apps so it can only be displayed or implemented within the Passbook to achieve the same the aforementioned effect. Besides, there are zillions of barcode readers everywhere already but not much NFC readers available so it's much more quicker to implement - heck I even have a barcode reader myself at home. Let Google or any other phones use NFC so regardless whether Apple decided to use or not use NFC, Apple don't have anything to lose. I mean there are millions of iTunes account already in the bag.
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