Google unveils Android-powered 'Nexus 7' tablet starting at $199 - Page 3

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Originally Posted by zindako 

But wait, have these competitors given up on trying to match the new iPads resolution of 2015x1536? All these non retina android tablets don't seem very compelling to me.

Yep, they're clearly not even trying. Nobody is going to spend $499 to get an Android tablet. Cut the screen in half, quarter the resolution, name the software releases after candies and deserts, and suddenly... No, it's still not compelling, but it's enough cheaper that some people will buy it anyways. Amusingly, they're not the ones actually buying apps or putting money into an ecosystem - and aren't even desirable for advertisers, based on Google's own Android vs. iOS results. Cream of the crop customers.

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Originally Posted by mstone 

7" is nice for portability however without a cellular option seems crippled in terms of mobile functionality. 

I agree, I wouldnt buy a tablet without a mobile service.

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Originally Posted by kotatsu 

 

You prefer Apple's UI designs? You know, the ones with the stitching, torn paper, green felt, and reel to reel tapes?

 

At least Google actually know they're designing for a digital device.

This "designing for a digital device" stuff is nonsense. Android has a silly Tron-like theme and Metro tries to mimic a glossy print magazine. The problem is there's no such thing as a native digital "look." Supposedly "digital" styles try to mimic the limitations of old technology: monochrome, high contrast, pixelated, etc. There isn't a "style" inherent in modern digital high-DPI, true colour displays. Displays are used to depict things. You don't look at the display, you look at what's depicted, and they can depict anything, so everything is "digital."

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Originally Posted by JimDreamworx 

And Google just stuck a knife into Surface as well - even though it is not available for sale - not even with a date when - and offers little info on specs.  How is MSFT going to handle this?

I think you can make just as good an argument that Google just opened the door wide for Surface by driving the manufacturers they've undercut to Windows RT.

Who knows how it will ultimately play out. All I do know is that a 7" touch will bury this thing.

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Originally Posted by Sensi 

AFAIK Adobe has ended flash support for mobile devices. Maybe seek advice about your growing hatred for users of another OS.

But Flash was SO important - So what's the value-add for Android now, more malware?

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Originally Posted by trumptman 

Why would anyone choose the iPod touch at this stage? It hasn't been updated since 2010. Let me say that again, September of 2010 was the last time it was updated. Apple needs to get off it's tail and step it up. Google is updating their OS once a year and Apple owners are starting to sound like old farts who wonder why the world moves so fast.

I would expect that the iPod gets an update this go around to the A5 and possibly larger screen.  It's only missed one update (Sept 2011) so it's not as dire as you make it out to be.

Google updating their OS once a year doesn't do much when ICS is probably still in the 10% uptake range.

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Originally Posted by mrstep 

 

But Flash was SO important - So what's the value-add for Android now, more malware?

Exactly. The web is totally useless without Flash. Anybody who buys a device without Flash is a moron.

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Originally Posted by JerrySwitched26 

 

 

Google-branded hardware has had excellent build quality so far, according to many reviews.  Why would you expect anything different this time around?  

 

Have you seen any reviews indicating that this tablet has substandard build quality?

Exactly, Apple use LG screens in some of their devices and LG are hardly known for quality products.

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Originally Posted by ClemyNX 


Ahah look at all the fancy words you are using instead of opening your eyes, ecosystem, synergy lol.
Ecocsystem? A google phone is synched and backup to your google account and everything can be access on any computer without a particular program.
An upgrade on regular basis? Android upgrades each year.
Future support? I own a Nexus S and after 2 versions it will also support this (but what about Siri on iPhone 4 mmm)
What about REAL stuff like :
NFC support
Offline dictation
Great maps and navigation
A better notification center than on iOS
A voice search that actually answers your questions with a very good simulated voice

• Big Words: Sorry for the higher level of speaking, what grade level do you want?
• Ecosystem: lots of software, developer support, security, etc
• Future Support: My 3GS has had multiple updates...iOS 3.3, iOS 4 and associated updates, iOS 5 and associated updates, soon iOS 6.  Any Android phone have that many updates in 3 years?  Also, my next one will still work with everything I have now. Nexus 2 will run Jellybean??
• Upgrade: Apple updates iOS multiple times a year and it works with previous models.  See point above.  Name an Android device that has received that many updates to their software across the Android spectrum.
• NFC: Who needs it?  Never seen a terminal anywhere.
• Offline Dictation: Dragon Dictation - it serves my purposes.
• Maps: Mapquest works for me.  My car GPS is even better so who cares.
• Notifications: Works for me, whats so great that I should drop everything and get an Android based device?
• Voice Search:  I use the Google app for that and it works fine.

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Originally Posted by MacBook Pro 


Ecosystem. The ability to safely purchase Apps, Books, Movies, Music, Podcasts and TV Shows on your device and know that they are optimized for your device and are permanently stored in the cloud for you to use on demand is extremely powerful. Now that Apple has extended iTunes to more than 155 countries we will begin seeing the demise of Google Android. We understand that you, as an Android pundit, might not understand these concepts. Smartphones do far more than make telephone calls.
Software Updates. Frankly, this is one of the dozen major issues with Google Android. Google just doesn't care about consumers they care about their customers, the advertisers. Buying an Android-based smartphone today virtually guarantees you won't have Android 4.1 Jelly Bean for another twelve months, if ever.
NFC Support. Millions of people aren't walking into Starbucks and paying for their McDonald's with their Android-based smartphone. NFC Support is a gimmick.
Offline Dictation. I guess you need offline dictation when Google sells you a mobile device that isn't really mobile.
Great Maps and Navigation. 2D and 3D views with Flyover and voice-activated, voice-guided turn-by-turn dynamic touring navigation in one Map! When will Google catch up?
Notification Center. Are you saying Google's notifications aren't very good?
Voice Search. Siri is absolutely amazing! Too bad that third-class wannabe from Google sucks so hard.

They will never learn...

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Originally Posted by zklausz 

This looks pretty good actually.  Even if you are a die-hard apple person these specs at these prices with tighter software integration can only be a good thing for everyone (consumers).  Only $50 to double the capacity!?  I hope your listening Apple.  Not that apple hasn't done an amazing job with the iPad but it is nice to see the competition step it up.  If nothing else maybe this will make Apple rethink it's outrageous price jumps for the higher capacity models. AND if apple is planning to release a 7" this price point may definitely make them rethink their price points.  I mean a 3.5" 8gb iPod touch is the same price as this tablet.  Which would you choose?

Isn't that really $50 for another 8GB.  Seems the same as Apple's $100 for another 16GB.  I do like the additional competition, but I wonder if the price cut is largely because of the smaller screen and half the storage.

If Apple were to come out with a smaller iPad (and I am not saying they would), where would they price it?  With a 8GB iPod touch at $199 and the iPad 2 at $399, I guess it would have to be $299?  That is only $50 more than the 16GB version of this.  

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Originally Posted by MacBook Pro 



Great Maps and Navigation. 2D and 3D views with Flyover and voice-activated, voice-guided turn-by-turn dynamic routing navigation and Yelp! integration in one Map that displays an appropriate level of detail based on the zoom level! When will Google catch up?

Voice Search. Siri is absolutely amazing! Too bad that third-class wannabe from Google sucks so hard.

Umm it's Apple's maps that have a long way to go before the reach the same level as Google's, you have it backwards.

Siri is amazing..really?

I have a Fire, and this is what I wish that was.  I can see myself selling the Fire to get one of these.  The device for me mostly replaces keeping my laptop in the living room, just to looks up something that came up in a show or the like, with a larger form factor than my iPhone.  On not having a 3G/4G radio, I am glad, I don't want the extra battery drain, or the carrier fee to use it.

7" is the perfect size as far as I am concerned, the same size as a paperback and about as heavy.  8 Hours is a lot of usage.  Yeah I can't fly cross country without the charger, but then I would be asleep for 90% of that flight anyway.

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Originally Posted by Sensi 

AFAIK Adobe has ended flash support for mobile devices. Maybe seek advice about your growing hatred for users of another OS.

Doesn't the Windows 8 Surface support Flash?  Isn't it a mobile device?

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Originally Posted by ClemyNX 

 

Using big words doesn't make you clever, and you know you shouldn't speculate on the level of someone you're talking to on the net. Anyway you chose to ignore my point. 

 

I had a 3GS too and loved it but I'm not the kind of person to keep the same cellphone for three years in a row. But that's just me, just as if you don't need NFC doesn't mean others don't use it, for file sharing or payment. 

 

I'm talking OS, you talk apps...

Big words don't make one clever and neither does ridiculing someone who used them.

I still have the same phone because it works and I have no spare cash flow to support an upgrade at this point.  We all have our reasons.

I would use NFC if it was available but what is the big deal with not having it when there are so few terminals anywhere.  If they were as common as card machines are now at checkouts everywhere, you would have a point.  What phones have them now?

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Originally Posted by MacBook Pro 


Apple Maps have a long way to go? Do you have any evidence? Does Google Maps have the following:
2D "standard" views
3D "standard" views
2D "hybrid" views
3D "hybrid" views
2D satellite views
3D satellite views
3D Flyover
traffic indicators
voice-activated search
voice-activated, voice-guided, turn-by-turn navigation with dynamic routing
Yelp! integration
Maps functionality was previously provided by Google's architecture and infrastructure and Google chose to not provide 3D Flyover or voice-activated, voice-guided, turn-by-turn navigation with dynamic routing to the Apple iPhone. Now that Apple is providing their own architecture and infrastructure Apple iPhone has 3D Flyover or voice-activated, voice-guided, turn-by-turn navigation with dynamic routing. Maps is now clearly superior.
Siri is amazing! Do you have any evidence to the contrary?

For a start but you could have found this and many other reviews almost the same http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2012/06/google-maps-vs-apple-maps-a-side-by-side-comparison/

Siri being amazing is your opinion which I do not share. To each is own I guess.

Was thinking about getting an ipad within a couple months.

Looks like I'll be getting one of these instead!

Can't beat $199 for a device like this. This will push the Kindle Fire / Nook Tablet out of the market.

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Originally Posted by MaroonMushroom 

Was thinking about getting an ipad within a couple months.

 

Looks like I'll be getting one of these instead!

 

Can't beat $199 for a device like this. This will push the Kindle Fire / Nook Tablet out of the market.

So... what you are buying is "price"!

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Originally Posted by MacBook Pro 


Ecosystem. The ability to safely purchase Apps, Books, Movies, Music, Podcasts and TV Shows on your device and know that they are optimized for your device and are permanently stored in the cloud for you to use on demand is extremely powerful. Now that Apple has extended iTunes to more than 155 countries we will begin seeing the demise of Google Android. We understand that you, as an Android pundit, might not understand these concepts. Smartphones do far more than make telephone calls.
Software Updates. Frankly, this is one of the dozen major issues with Google Android. Google just doesn't care about consumers they care about their customers, the advertisers. Buying an Android-based smartphone today virtually guarantees you won't have Android 4.1 Jelly Bean for another twelve months, but most likely never.
NFC Support. Millions of people aren't walking into restaurants and paying for their meal with their Android-based smartphone. NFC Support is a gimmick.
Offline Dictation. I guess you need offline dictation when Google sells you a mobile device that isn't really mobile.
Great Maps and Navigation. 2D and 3D views with Flyover and voice-activated, voice-guided turn-by-turn dynamic routing navigation and Yelp! integration that displays appropriate detail based on the zoom level in one Map! When will Google catch up?
Notification Center. Are you saying Google's notifications aren't very good?
Voice Search. Siri is absolutely amazing! Too bad that third-class wannabe from Google sucks so hard.

You better get down of your high horses right now because you are acting exactly like the typical stereotypical pretentious Apple fanboy. You aren't any better than anyone else just because you are using Apple products. For your info, I was a happy owner of a 3G and 3GS, I own an iMac and a MacBook Pro as well as an iPad. Am I sufficently qualified to express my opinion, sir? Do I have your permission?

Ecosystem : you are defining iTunes, but all that applies to Google Play as well. 

Updates : I'm buying Google Phones, my Nexus S is still supported after 2 years. 

NFC : it's a gimmick until Apple puts it in their next phone

Dictation : gratuitous statement

Maps : people always say here that you shouldn't compare that isn't even out with something that has been out for years. You obviously didn't try the beta... Again, your trolling is a total fail, everything you are talking about already exists on Google Maps (plus street view (yeah you don't use it I know)), 3D is soon coming, and, what? Yelp?? Lol that only works in the US, it's not as complete as Google adresses. 

Notifications : on ICS they are already better tham on iOS (single tap all-erase, better sorting). They are even better on JB (direct mail, messages, g+ fast answers in the notification tray.

Siri : it's so great that it's still called a beta, it often fails, it's uncapable of answering a simple question, it's uncapable to understand "itinerary to Wall Street" from outside the maps app.

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Originally Posted by icoco3 

 

• Maps: Mapquest works for me.  My car GPS is even better so who cares.

Only a sucker pays for an in-car GPS.

And Mapquest?  Really? Yuck!

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Originally Posted by MacBook Pro 


Apple Maps is clearly superior to all that garbage on the display that isn't needed. The text on Apple Maps is larger and more readable and doesn't distract from key points of interest. The traffic view on Google Maps has so much red I can't even tell where the real traffic problems are. Seriously, I would have thought with seven years Google would be able to do better than a new beta Map app from Apple. Sadly, the review is even biased toward Google but the Apple Maps are clearly superior.
"Of those who currently own the iPhone 4S, 33.3% have found Siri to be very helpful and impressive. 44.4% found it to be fairly helpful and impressive, and 22.2% have not really used it enough to make a decision. No respondents were disappointed with Siri thus far."
"... 55 percent describing themselves as quite satisfied with Siri's functionality ..."
"87 percent iPhone 4S owners use Siri at least monthly"
"Roughly one third of iPhone 4S owners use Siri “almost daily”"
Of course, you could have found that information for yourself. You just aren't being honest.

Garbage as in information? The Apple maps are clearly very basic in the current form but I imagine they will improve over time.

Not sure where you got your stats from but you can get stats both ways I'm sure i.e. http://www.phonearena.com/news/How-often-do-you-use-Siri-the-iPhone-4S-voice-operated-personal-assistant_id26980/

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Originally Posted by MacBook Pro 


Apple Maps have a long way to go? Do you have any evidence? Does Google Maps have the following:
2D "standard" views
3D "standard" views
2D "hybrid" views
3D "hybrid" views
2D satellite views
3D satellite views
3D Flyover
traffic indicators
voice-activated search
voice-activated, voice-guided, turn-by-turn navigation with dynamic routing
Yelp! integration
Maps functionality was previously provided by Google's architecture and infrastructure and Google chose to not provide 3D Flyover or voice-activated, voice-guided, turn-by-turn navigation with dynamic routing to the Apple iPhone. Now that Apple is providing their own architecture and infrastructure Apple iPhone has 3D Flyover or voice-activated, voice-guided, turn-by-turn navigation with dynamic routing. Maps is now clearly superior.
Siri is amazing! Do you have any evidence to the contrary?

I don't understand what are you trying to do. Are you completely ignorant of what maps looks on Android or are you trying to publicize android in an odd way?

so :

Yes

yes

yes

yes

yes

yes

coming soon

yes and much better than the crowdsourced ones on ios

yes, for like 3 years

yes, dynamic routing coming with google Now

no, but google adresses is great

we are comparing maps on ios and on android

plus streetview 

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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum 

 

So... what you are buying is "price"!

Not at all!

7" screen is a lot more comfortable and portable. And recent hands on reports of this device have been amazing.

And because it's a nexus device, it's first in line for updates direct from Google.

Also that revamped search they announced today just destroyed Siri, haha.

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Originally Posted by Jetz 

 

Only a sucker pays for an in-car GPS.

 

And Mapquest?  Really? Yuck!

Car GPS referring to the hardware GPS that I keep in my car purchased from Newegg.

OK...Mapquest works OK.  Point is I don't really use it.  Also use Motion-GPS, works ok but not high on my priorities.  If I need mapping done, I go to google.com and route things there.

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Originally Posted by fredaroony 

Garbage as in information? The Apple maps are clearly very basic in the current form but I imagine they will improve over time.

 

Not sure where you got your stats from but you can get stats both ways I'm sure i.e. http://www.phonearena.com/news/How-often-do-you-use-Siri-the-iPhone-4S-voice-operated-personal-assistant_id26980/

His stats came from here:

http://aytm.com/blog/daily-survey-results/siri-survey/

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Originally Posted by MacBook Pro 


Apple Maps have a long way to go? Do you have any evidence? Does Google Maps have the following:
2D "standard" views
3D "standard" views
2D "hybrid" views
3D "hybrid" views
2D satellite views
3D satellite views
3D Flyover
traffic indicators
voice-activated search
voice-activated, voice-guided, turn-by-turn navigation with dynamic routing
Yelp! integration
Maps functionality was previously provided by Google's architecture and infrastructure and Google chose to not provide 3D Flyover or voice-activated, voice-guided, turn-by-turn navigation with dynamic routing to the Apple iPhone. Now that Apple is providing their own architecture and infrastructure Apple iPhone has 3D Flyover or voice-activated, voice-guided, turn-by-turn navigation with dynamic routing. Maps is now clearly superior.
Siri is amazing! Do you have any evidence to the contrary?

Google maps definitely has all but maybe one of those. And then street view on top of it.

As for Siri, the new google search is miles ahead of it right now.

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Originally Posted by Gatorguy 

His stats came from here:

http://aytm.com/blog/daily-survey-results/siri-survey/

Interesting..only 2.3% of the respondents said they had a 4S lol!

The link I gave had more than three times the responses but like I said, stats are usually just crap anyway.

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Originally Posted by MacBook Pro 


No. Just more dishonesty.

Well I guess you can't expect anything more from someone who uses a Apple product as their name in a forum :)

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Originally Posted by ClemyNX 

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Ecosystem : you are defining iTunes, but all that applies to Google Play as well. 

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NFC : it's a gimmick until Apple puts it in their next phone

.... 

 

I don't get the Ecosystem argument these days.  Google has an amazing ecosystem with Google products that people use everyday.  Search, Mail, Maps, Calendar, etc.  How come nobody counts that in the ecosystem?   On this front, Apple's "ecosystem" only works if you never ever stray outside the Apple Store for electronics.  Easy for the AI faithful.  Most real world humans aren't like that.  They might be somebody like me (iMac, Apple TV, Android phone) or more than likely Windows/iPhone/iPod.  Etc.

As for media.  Google Music.  I've uploaded my whole iTunes library.  Books.  Google's got a decent collection of eBooks last I checked.  Movies.  I'll concede this one.  Google seems to be behind on licensing content. 

On the whole, the ecosystem argument is really starting to wear thin on us regular folk.  Not all of us are Apple all the time.  And for us the Apple ecosystem is not as fluid as some would make it out to be. 

Agree on the NFC argument too.  Every iFan will call it a gimmick till the new iPhone launches with an NFC chip and Passbook supports mobile payments.  Will it be a gimmick then?  Google deserves criticism for not doing much with NFC or for the flop that is Google Wallet.  But the tech itself?  Calling it a gimmick?  Really?

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Originally Posted by Jetz 

 

Only a sucker pays for an in-car GPS.

 

Ha Ha! I wouldn't buy a vehicle without in-dash GPS because any auto trim package I would consider automatically comes with it along with all the other screen based features for backup video, music, phone integration, systems status, voice activated search etc. plus it is a nice big screen. I suppose you would recommend some third party iPad dash mount kit that obstructs your windshield instead?