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I use Siri almost exclusively when I drive. Handheld devices are illegal here. Having google's 1/2 second quicker response doesn't do me much good if I then have to pull over and fill out the reminders form (see YouTube link, above). I think they missed the main idea behind Siri!!

Google's voice search looks superior to Siri in most domains, but I agree that they still have to develop how the app behaves and follows a conversation without the need for the user to interact. The fact that Siri directly asked when to remind the user is certainly a plus. The guy who did the video isn't objective since he forgets to mention which one works better when it's Siri.
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Well, as a matter of fact, if you compare JB, Google Now, ... they have a headstart compared to iOS6, due out in 3 to 4 months...
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"I see you're going to work. Would you like to start a list?"

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Hey why did that guy in the review call it "totally new technology" for Google?

According to a whole lot of trolls, Android has had this for years.

You have to love the double standards from the Fandroids.
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Give me a break. It is no different than Apple has done for years of keynotes. Available same day for developers and available to the general public in 2 weeks. 

Your predudice is remarkable even for a rabid Apple fan. It works as advertised according to those who have installed it. I have not installed it since I don't have an Android phone but given the 'demos' of Apple's glorious new maps solution I may have the need to try JB out very soon as what I've seen so far of Apple's vaporware looks very discouraging.

Really? I stated that Google should wait until they have a working product. They don't have a working product, just a demo. Apple, OTOH, has quite a history of keeping their mouth shut about things until the product is ready to go. You don't see the difference?

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So where are the people saying that Google is artificially limiting Google Now from running on phones with older versions of Android OS and arguing that there are no resources needed to run the service.

More Fandroid hypocrisy.
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I love apple as much as the next person, but as a lover of technology. Goole now makes siri look like a joke. I hope Apple comes out improves siri to make it as functional as Google now. 

Sure. You love Apple as much as the next person - if you're sitting next to Tekdud.

Please give us some evidence that 'Goole' makes Siri look like a joke. In one controlled side-by-side comparison, Siri's accuracy was considerably better than Google's:
http://blog.thearorareport.com/2011/11/14/aaple-siri-voice-recgnition-trumps-android-voice/

More importantly, Siri's value is in what it can do, not so much the recognition accuracy. If I'm driving down the road, I can say "Siri, set an appointment with John for 9 am next Wednesday" and it will do so. If it misunderstands me, I can repeat the inquiry. Google voice won't do that.
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Been trusting them since Gmail came out. They have a perfect track record with my data so why shouldn't I trust them?

Just curious how you know Google has a perfect track record with your data. How do you know how many times your personal information might have been sold?
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Interersting... The above video was rigged to highlight Google's advantages (as was the Apple demo of Siri at WWDC).

Most of the requests were for things that could be delivered with [Google] web searches... Maybe even cached...

Odd that they didn't request anything that required specific answers ala Wolfram...

Or involved maps...

Or played music...

Or ran apps...


...maybe Google Now can't do these things?

Obviously, it was a staged demo - mstone's blind Google advocacy notwithstanding. It still won't do many of the things that Siri will do and until it's actually a product that the average user can get, all of this bragging about how great it is is meaningless.

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So I've seen a lot of posts here lately complaining that Google is "spying" on you and that Google knows too much about you.
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Does anyone else see a double standard here?

No. People have been complaining about AI using Google Analytics for ages.

Now, if the people complaining about it were the people who put it there, you might have a point, but that's not the case.

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If SJ had said the exact same thing, you'd be hailing the future... It would sound like a SJ thing, really: removing complexity for the user...

You're missing the point entirely. My comment was that Google should wait until it's more than just a stage demo. Apple has a history of not bragging about technologies that might possibly be available at some unknown time in the future. Google apparently subscribes to the Microsoft philosophy: "create lots of cool demos and throw them out there to see what sticks, but don't worry about whether you actually plan to make it a real product or not".

In the end, this is going to be just like Android vs iOS. People who want a cheap knock-off will be happy with Android. People who want the best user experience will choose iOS. Same with Siri vs Google voice recognition.
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Google's voice search looks superior to Siri in most domains, but I agree that they still have to develop how the app behaves and follows a conversation without the need for the user to interact. The fact that Siri directly asked when to remind the user is certainly a plus. The guy who did the video isn't objective since he forgets to mention which one works better when it's Siri.

I'd love to see your evidence that Google's voice search is superior to Siri 'in most domains'. In a side by side comparison, that's not true:
http://blog.thearorareport.com/2011/11/14/aaple-siri-voice-recgnition-trumps-android-voice/
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*Data just werkz.

 

Data is just there.  A service just works.  *eyeroll*

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The relationships aren't quite that simple.  Apple sells advertising so it has advertiser customers as well.  More important Google has to make product good enough to induce customers (end users) to buy products that use their operating system.  

As a user of Google services, why do I care if Google sells aggregated information to advertisers?  Or just as interesting uses that information to improve the provision of services to me?



Google's mission statement is: "Google’s mission is to organize the world’s information and make it universally accessible and useful." While Google's mission statement alone isn't troublesome, Google's collection of personal information is quite troublesome because Google's business model is the aggregation of user's personal information in order to target advertising to users. Thus, Google has far more personal information about users than governments or other businesses have about consumers.


* Google gathers details of how you used their services, such as your search queries (1)
* Google tracks cookies that may uniquely identify your browser or your Google Account (1)
* Google collects telephony log information like your phone number, calling-party number, forwarding numbers, time and date of calls, duration of calls, SMS routing information and types of calls (1)
* Google logs device event information such as crashes, system activity, hardware settings, browser type, browser language, the date and time of your request and referral URL (1)
* Google collects device-specific information (such as your hardware model, operating system version, unique device identifiers, and mobile network information including phone number) Google may associate your device identifiers or phone number with your Google Account (1)

While such information is gathered by competing products and services, Google's vast range of "products and services" uniquely positions Google to collect more information about consumers than any other company. The problem with Google's vast network of information gathering is that Google has repeatedly demonstrated a lack of concern for consumers through their policies and practices. Furthermore, Google has consistently used very expedient methods to comply with or meet demands whether those of stockholders or governments. The vast amount of information collected by Google has arguably made Google the greatest threat to privacy ever known, a vast unsecured treasure trove of information that attracts hackers and online thieves, and; most worrisome; governments.


* Google has done very little to protect Android users from malware. Considering that many people have significant amounts of personal information on their mobile devices, I find this completely unacceptable.
* According to Sunnyvale, Calif., security firm Juniper Networks known instances of Android-related malware -- "virtually all" involving apps - have jumped steadily month by month from 400 in June 2011 to 15,507 in February 2012 (2)
* "San Francisco-based Lookout Mobile Security reported In August 2011, that "an estimated half-million to one million people were affected by Android malware in the first half of 2011." (2)
* Trend Micro of Japan, which has U.S. headquarters in Cupertino, Calif. - identified "more than 1,000 malicious Android apps" last year, 90 percent of them on Google's site and noted that the number of bad apps grew last year at 60 percent per month. Trend Micro has estimated the total this year "will grow to more than 120,000," (2)
* Google proclaims that "Since the beginning, we’ve focused on providing the best user experience possible. Whether we’re designing a new Internet browser or a new tweak to the look of the homepage, we take great care to ensure that they will ultimately serve you, rather than our own internal goal or bottom line." (3) This is in direct conflict with Google's business model which serves advertisers and is a serious, undisclosed conflict of interest.
* Google removed links to an anti-Scientology site after the Church of Scientology claimed copyright infringement in 2002. (4)
* Google handed over the records of some users of its social-networking service, Orkut, to the Brazilian government, which was investigating alleged racist, homophobic, and pornographic content in September 2006. (4)
* Google's mission statement "to organize the world’s information and make it universally accessible and useful" didn’t stop Google from censoring their Chinese search engine to gain access to a lucrative market. (4)
* Privacy International has named Google the worst company in their 2007 survey and "hostile to privacy." (5)
* Google has used their dominant position with Google Search to prefer Google+ search results and has published results that include personal data which doesn't provide an opt-out option. (6)
* Google employees have vandalized OpenStreetMap by adding erroneous data. (7)
* Google collected emails, texts, photos and documents gathered from Wi-Fi networks using Google's StreetView cars to collect data. (8)


1. http://www.google.com/policies/privacy/. Google. Retrieved March 29, 2012.
2. Steve Johnson. Posted March 17, 2012. Updated March 23, 2012. http://www.mercurynews.com/business/ci_20182226/android-apps-targeted-by-malware?source=rss_viewed. San Jose Mercury News. Retrieved March 29, 2012.
3. http://www.google.com/about/company/philosophy/. Google. Retrieved March 29, 2012.
4. Adam L. Penenberg. October 10, 2006. http://motherjones.com/politics/2006/10/google-evil. MotherJones. Retrieved March 29, 2012.
5. Unattributed. June 8, 2007. https://www.privacyinternational.org/article/race-bottom-privacy-ranking-internet-service-companies. Privacy International. Retrieved March 29, 2012.
6. John Fontana. January 12, 2012 http://www.zdnet.com/blog/identity/ftc-asked-to-probe-google-search-integration/143 ZDNet. Retrieved May 22, 2012.
7. Lucian Parfeni. January 17, 2012. http://news.softpedia.com/news/Google-Accused-of-Vandalizing-OpenStreetMap-Data-246965.shtml Softpedia. Retrieved May 22, 2012.
8. Hack Doyle and Daniel Bates. Posted May 27, 2012. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2150606/Google-deliberately-stole-information-executives-covered-years.html. Daily Mail. Retrieved May 28, 2012.
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Really? I stated that Google should wait until they have a working product. They don't have a working product, just a demo. Apple, OTOH, has quite a history of keeping their mouth shut about things until the product is ready to go. You don't see the difference?

 

Uh they gave away to all attendees of IO phones and tablets that had Jellybean on them, with a fully functional Google Now. Just read Joshua Topolsky's tweets: he was very impressed when getting off his flight from San Franciso, his Nexus immediately (and without prompting him) provided driving directions back to his home from the airport.

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post #88 of 122
i like a lot of google's products but suspect this may be more a 'Google No!' than google 'now'.
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Uh they gave away to all attendees of IO phones and tablets that had Jellybean on them, with a fully functional Google Now. Just read Joshua Topolsky's tweets: he was very impressed when getting off his flight from San Franciso, his Nexus immediately (and without prompting him) provided driving directions back to his home from the airport.

So a handful of developers who have demo systems is supposed to be 'it's available now and a finished product'?

Sorry, but I've seen too many claims that "the NEXT version will beat anything on the market today and will absolutely blow you away" to take it seriously. Let's see how it looks when it's actually on the market.
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So a handful of developers who have demo systems is supposed to be 'it's available now and a finished product'?
Sorry, but I've seen too many claims that "the NEXT version will beat anything on the market today and will absolutely blow you away" to take it seriously. Let's see how it looks when it's actually on the market.

 

I like how you switched from "working product" to "available now and finished". It is finished (Topolsky is the editor-in-chief of the Verge, not a developer), just not available yet (July is what I've been reading).

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I like how you switched from "working product" to "available now and finished". It is finished (Topolsky is the editor-in-chief of the Verge, not a developer), just not available yet (July is what I've been reading).

Again, I've been following this industry for far too long to get excited about vapor. When it's available and people can use it (and we can have independent tests of its performance), then it might be worth considering. As of today, all we have is information from Google and Google's preferred developers. Hardly an unbiased source of information.
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post #92 of 122
Speaking of vapor (though it's for the other one, but all interest in it seems to have completely petered out)…

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Originally Posted by bighype View Post

Another shitty Google knockoff.


Because siri is original and NOONE ever thought of voice before Apple. /s

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Just let us follow your every move, take note of what you do there... what you buy, drink, eat, and do, and we'll wait a minute what the hell are we proposing?


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Hey why did that guy in the review call it "totally new technology" for Google?

 

According to a whole lot of trolls, Android has had this for years.


Look outside your box.  Voice command has been around forever on Android, the added stuff (location recognition, activity recognition ect....) is new technology.

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Hahahha.... another Googledrone is trying to tell us that Google invented Siri before Apple made it popular.

 

Seriously, you're delusional or you're just a TROLL.


Yeah, thats what he said.

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I think you are missing the point.  They have a perfect record stealing your data with your permission. Why on earth would a multibillion dollar company give away everything they make.  In each case it give them access to your personal data.  Access to your friends and co-workers.  They know what you do, when and how often.  They even know what your friends do and where they work and anything else they share with you by email.  They don't have to hack you because you trust them. If you have google voice, the calls are automatically transcribed and searched for data to market to you.  Ever wonder why those damn spammer seemed to know everything about you.  Because Google works for them!!!!!!!!!!!!!  And public transit is actually provided by a number of apps that will be integrating the new maps.  Apple doesn't say it directly but moving away from Google is about more than just the competition.  They actually believe themselves to be stuarts of your data and know who Google really is but knows the public is too blind to see.  So they just do their best to steer clear.


But who cares.  The difference between Apple and Google regarding your data is that Google uses it with third parties to make money and Apple keeps it in house to make money.  Either way, these companies are taking your personal data so they can make money.  At any time I can switch off my location services and be done with it but I understand I am being tracked and prefer the personalized service I get from it.  If I decide to be sinister, I will switch off my tracking.

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Not when we have no control over AppleInsider, no. That's not how double standards work.
To get away from Google completely, one must stop using the Internet.


You do have control, do not come here.  But to say it is ok in one instance but not ok in another is ignorance.  It is either ok or not.  To come here, knowing you are tracked to complain about being tracked makes zero sense.

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So a handful of developers who have demo systems is supposed to be 'it's available now and a finished product'?
Sorry, but I've seen too many claims that "the NEXT version will beat anything on the market today and will absolutely blow you away" to take it seriously. Let's see how it looks when it's actually on the market.


Or be Apple and just throw something out the door (Siri) which has shown in tests that it is only 60% accurate,

 

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/12/06/29/street_test_measures_siri_comprehension_at_83_accuracy_at_62.html

 

I guess in Apple's world over half is acceptable. 

 

Oh, forgot, it is a BETA.  /s

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To come here, knowing you are tracked to complain about being tracked makes zero sense.

Fits in with your entire statement, then. lol.gif

Could you also not post seven times in a row? Multiquote is there for a reason. Consolidate your trolling.

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"The difference between Apple and Google regarding your data is that Google uses it with third parties to make money and Apple keeps it in house to make money." And obviously Google has to be always better in order to make money. Most chose Google as the search engine for its high accuracy. In nature it is usually losers who lack choice.
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Knockoff? Google has had voice commands ages before Siri.

 

Updating it this just makes it even better. When I woke up this morning there was a card on my screen with the amount of traffic I would run into on my way to work.

 

It's really useful and you don't even have to think about. The data is just there.

 

and Apple has had voice commands since 1994... what's your point?

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and Apple has had voice commands since 1994... what's your point?

There shouldn't be one. What difference does it make who was "first" as some posters here are quick to write. As long as Android and iOS platforms are progressively improving voice features, which they are, users of both platforms come out ahead. Silly to argue over who is "better" since both have differing strong points. Obviously if you're committed to one OS or the other your choice of which to use is pretty darn limited.

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This all all sounds like that creepy a s s  statements from Eric Schmidt...

 

 

“We know where you are. We know where you’ve been. We can more or less know what you’re thinking about.”

 

“I ACTUALLY think most people don’t want Google to answer their questions, they want Google to tell them what they should be doing next."

 

 

Good luck Fandroids!!!

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There shouldn't be one. What difference does it make who was "first" as some posters here are quick to write. As long as Android and iOS platforms are progressively improving voice features, which they are, users of both platforms come out ahead. Silly to argue over who is "better" since both have differing strong points. Obviously if you're committed to one OS or the other your choice of which to use is pretty darn limited.

 

Umm... if you read through the posts you would have noticed that someone was saying Google had voice commands first...I was pointing out that in fact Apple had them long ago.

 

Are you new to these boards or something?

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Fits in with your entire statement, then. lol.gif
Could you also not post seven times in a row? Multiquote is there for a reason. Consolidate your trolling.


Ill post as needed.  As I read through I respond.  Sorry to hurt your feelings.

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Hardly. Don't take offense as none was intended. It doesn't matter who was first, the general point I was making.

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This all all sounds like those creepy a s s  statements from Eric Schmidt...

 

 

“We know where you are. We know where you’ve been. We can more or less know what you’re thinking about.”

 

“I ACTUALLY think most people don’t want Google to answer their questions, they want Google to tell them what they should be doing next."

 

 

Good luck Fandroids!!!

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Maybe you'll get lucky MJ. Apple is far from enabling all that Siri is capable of according to this post. Whether any of it is already working behind the scenes, who knows?

 

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Notably, SRI and Apple have only begun to demonstrate the currently available scope of Siri. Siri can do far more than anyone has seen in a released product today.
Siri can do Workflow Activity Recognition and Proactive Assistance (just like Google Now) today, this simply hasn't been activated by Apple.
Siri can handle email meeting requests, reserves venues, and schedules events today then find emails, documents, and contacts that are relevant to a given meeting automatically, this simply hasn't been activated by Apple.
Siri can automatically compose email messages and suggest attachments for the message in response to scheduled events or emails, this simply hasn't been activated by Apple.
Siri can automatically search the Internet for contact information and additional data for your contacts, this simply hasn't been activated by Apple. For example, if you have a meeting with Susan Jeffries who is a high school friend you haven't seen for five years Siri can tell you she is married with two children (with their names and birthdays) and employed by Bank of America.
Siri can track your interests and generate a user-personalized RSS feeds, this simply hasn't been activated by Apple.
Siri can learn and automate complex workflows. To understand how powerful Siri is you need to understand how transformative the computer revolution was to businesses in the 1980s.

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Uh they gave away to all attendees of IO phones and tablets that had Jellybean on them, with a fully functional Google Now. Just read Joshua Topolsky's tweets: he was very impressed when getting off his flight from San Franciso, his Nexus immediately (and without prompting him) provided driving directions back to his home from the airport.

 

Yeah that's useful... Since I got myself to the airport in the first place!!! I'm pretty sure from anywhere in the world, I'd know how to get home.

 

While cool and all, sounds like a waste of expensive bandwidth to me.

 

It would be more useful it knew where I was staying when I got to my destination and then gave me a few options of how to get there. But how could it possibly know where I'm staying without me telling it?

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Currently Siri gets 60% of its answers from Google, 20% from Yelp, 14% from WolframAlpha, 4% from Yahoo and 2% from Wikipedia.

..."Breaking down Siri's reliance further," Munster writes, "Google provides 100% of navigation results,...

 

That's 0% outside the US, which is where the majority of iPhones are sold.

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That's 0% outside the US, which is where the majority of iPhones are sold.

I did not know that. Who's providing Siri's navigation maps and web search answers in your country?

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Nexus 7 is available for pre-order now, shipping in "2 to 3 weeks"
Nexus Q is available for pre-order now, shipping in "2 to 3 weeks"

So how does this compare to Apple?
iPad 3: announced March 7, released March 16, ~1 week.
iPhone 4s: announced Oct. 7, released Oct 14, 1 week.
iPhone 4: announced Jun 7, released Jun 24, ~2 weeks.

Now considering the time frames are approx equal, and the fact that Google actually gave away a thousand galaxy nexuses... nexi? with 4.1 installed whereas Apple doesn't even let the press touch the product being announced, No, I don't see the difference.

You have to love the double standards from the Apple fanbois.

And it's only been the last year or so that Apple has stepped up their game to the point that they can start selling a product that quickly after it's been announced. As I noted earlier in this thread (or perhaps another thread or forum) what Google announced and has ready for sale is very impressive logistically. MS et al. just don't get it. If you want to wow the people you need to copy this aspect of Apple's marketing strategy. This is one reason why AI has posted so much about Google this week. Whether you like their offerings or not you can not ignore them.

PS: It's either nexus or nexuses. I'd personally use nexus unless the sentence was plurally ambiguous.

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I love apple as much as the next person, but as a lover of technology. Goole now makes siri look like a joke. I hope Apple comes out improves siri to make it as functional as Google now. 

What an asinine comment. Is Google Now better in some ways? From the video comparison (I think you posted) it sure looked a little faster and the direct web search parsing was definitely more streamlined than Siri but for you to say that makes Siri a joke shows you have an irrational hatred for Apple.

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Yeah that's useful... Since I got myself to the airport in the first place!!! I'm pretty sure from anywhere in the world, I'd know how to get home.

 

While cool and all, sounds like a waste of expensive bandwidth to me.

 

It would be more useful it knew where I was staying when I got to my destination and then gave me a few options of how to get there. But how could it possibly know where I'm staying without me telling it?

 

My understanding is that your latter point is something it very well may be able to do in the future. If you read Topolsky's review, he points out that it takes into account all your search history, etc etc. He points out that it seemed to have figured out which flight he was taking as he searched it a few times, and perhaps through something similar to that it can discern which hotel one is staying at? I think in the end, the concept of a more aware search engine is an interesting one (fraught with important privacy concerns, for sure) and absolutely seems like a logical extension of what Siri pioneered.

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Google won't put some arbitrarily limit to restrict access to this service, every phone able to run Android 4.1 will be able to use it whereas iPhone 4 users running iOS 4 are forbidden to use Siri simply because Apple is making sure that those who aren't using an iPhone4S identifier are locked out...

You've missed the point. Since Now isn't processed on the device why isn't it being added to all Android devices? Why is it only devices with 4.1?

The answer is quite simple: resources! Not local resources, but server-side resources. You need to consider how iOS and and Android versions are dispersed. There were more iPhone 4S phones on the market being used the first weekend than there will be devices running Android 4.1. Probably the first month of devices when Android 4.1 is first launched and that's with a year advantage for Android since the market is growing).

Since even month old Android devices don't often get new versions of Android at all or if they do it's certainly not right away it's very a different landscape than with iOS where every device typically gong back 3 generations will get the update at the same time. That means if all iDevices that run iOS 5 were to get Siri last year you'd have more than 100 million devices that could potentially be accessing these new, beta service at the same time. Consider what happened with Apple's poor MobileMe release where they did allow everyone (including allowing CC-free trial periods) unfettered access without a structured release cycle from current iMac users, and doing in at the same time as the iOS 3 and iPhone 3GS release. It was a disaster; they should have done with Google with Gmail. Hell, even in the first weekend Siri was still struggling with 4 million iPhone 4S users testing out this new feature.

Surely you can see how the logistics are completely different. Google is smart to not give it to all users. Just to be clear, my comment is a slam on those suggesting Apple should have given Siri access to 100+ million users at the same time.

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Soli, I think there is on-device processing. I mentioned yesterday that Google has enabled on-board voice recognition with JB, so that even involved voice to text dictation can be accomplished without a network connection. I believe that 4.1 may be a mandatory upgrade for GoogleNow operations to work.

 

EDIT: It just occurred to me that if Google is doing on-board processing of voice requests beginning with Android 4.1 (Jelly Bean) that it may also avoid that Siri-search patent that Apple is trying to throw at the Galaxy Nexus. If so it would be a lot quicker dealing with it than going thru all the patent invalidation motions. Dunno tho.


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Soli, I think there is on-device processing. I mentioned yesterday that Google has enabled on-board voice recognition with JB, so that even involved voice to text dictation can be accomplished without a network connection. I believe that 4.1 may be a mandatory upgrade for GoogleNow operations to work.

EDIT: It just occurred to me that if Google is doing on-board processing of voice requests beginning with Android 4.1 (Jelly Bean) that it may also avoid that Siri-search patent that Apple is trying to throw at the Galaxy Nexus. If so it would be a lot quicker dealing with it than going thru all the patent invalidation motions. Dunno tho.

If that is the case it would certainly be different from Siri and in many ways more complex to build. I'd imagine that such a thing would have to be segmented to only being dictation and not the actual Google Now service as having the local system pre-process the data to then determine if the voice commands are to be done local or server-side would probably slow it done and I haven't seen a notable initial lag with Now.

If it is split between the two then I wonder how the two voice-to-text systems work differently. In fact, that seems like it would cause too many issues, be too resource heavy and wouldn't be as versatile or robust as a server-based option so I'll wait for some more evidence that anything outside basic commands could feasibly be done locally.

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A video posted today, 40 questions posed to Google Now. If it truly works as shown, Google has done an impressive job with it IMO. Even if you hate Android it's worth a watch to see what they've done with it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=fHkhp6BwnGo

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A video posted today, 40 questions posed to Google Now. If it truly works as shown, Google has done an impressive job with it IMO. Even if you hate Android it's worth a watch to see what they've done with it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=fHkhp6BwnGo

Very impressive! For a version 1 Google product this seems very fluid and smooth. I like that it's minimalistic and displays web search content without having to jump into the web browser app. That is a major issue I find with Siri but I have a feeling that everyone at Google that used Siri said "we can do better right there."

It's very fast, but I imagine that Siri would be faster if it only had whatever the number of Jelly Bean users there are right now. I doubt the number is as high as Apple had on day on with the iPhone 4S bombarding their servers with Siri queries. That said, Apple needs to plan for that sort of thing if it doesn't want its new server-side features to be received poorly.

As good as Google Now is and the timeframe in which they have come out with it, even if it's just for 4.1 users, after Siri's debut let's not forget that it was Apple bringing Siri to the iPhone 4S that started this ball rolling. Google had all the pieces but it was Apple that showed them how to put the pieces together in the right way to make a killer product. When a new way of doing something is the only way that makes sense going forward that's when you know you've truly innovated.

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