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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

1,507 posts of an anti-Apple nature on an Apple forum.
Case in point.

Nice try, read posts 1-1000, and don't quote others instead, your quote here was from another poster.
post #82 of 102
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How does one just get switched over without them knowing lol?

 

It can be very easy when you run an installer and it has a little innocuous checkbox asking if you would like to change default X.  That game is played far more on the PC side of the house.  After that the VAST majority of users just don't pay attention to the kinds of details that would clue them in that something significant changed.  They just chalk it up to that darned computer.

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post #83 of 102
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Originally Posted by fredaroony View Post

Lot of people like obviously, it's currently the most used browser.

On Macs?
Use duckduckgo.com with Safari, not Google Search
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Use duckduckgo.com with Safari, not Google Search
Been using Apples since 1978 and Macs since 1984
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post #84 of 102
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Originally Posted by digitalclips View Post

On Macs?

I don't think it's the most used browser on any OS platform.

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post #85 of 102
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post


I don't think it's the most used browser on any OS platform.

Yes it is.

post #86 of 102
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Originally Posted by sausages View Post

This is true, but there are *certain* steps an OS can take to mitigate video driver crashes. Windows will attempt to restart a video driver before throwing a BSoD. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2665946

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It's only been a feature since Vista.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WDDM#Enhanced_fault-tolerance



No not the overclocker; what you describe is precisely what Windows does.

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"The biggest change in the WDDM [driver model since Vista] is that much of the graphics driver has been moved from kernel space to user space."

"In the unlikely event that an application or its UMD does something illegal and causes an error, only that single application will close, leaving the Windows Vista operating system unscathed, allowing the user to continue working."

Source: http://www.amd.com/us/Documents/ATIWDDMWhitepaperFinalV38.pdf

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Originally Posted by sausages View Post

Absolutely. (Though I gotta say, the alt-tab behaviour you're describing is more likely due to poor coding in the game. Case in point: Valve released a patch to the source engine a while back making alt-tab in their games virtually instant) It is also absolutely true that the WDDM fault tolerance mechanism is far from perfect. I remember seeing a Microsoft document pointing out that despite WDDM 1.0, the sizable majority of BSoDs are still graphics driver related. But at least such a mechanism exists, and I can't seem to find any documentation of something similar in OS X.

Some of the least informed and most biased posts I have seen here which is saying a lot.
Edited by MacBook Pro - 6/29/12 at 11:34pm
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Originally Posted by MacBook Pro View Post


Some of the least informed and most bias posts I have seen here which is saying a lot.

 

Most "biased" you mean?

Care to point out where I was wrong? I provided sources. And let me be clear, I never said the mechanism was perfect (I even say in one of those posts you quoted that Windows nonetheless still BSoDs from graphics driver issues all the time). I was merely for the sake of discussion pointing out that Windows does have a system specifically to mitigate what happened with Chrome on OSX.


Edited by sausages - 6/29/12 at 11:26pm

MBP, iPhone 4, Win 7 Desktop

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MBP, iPhone 4, Win 7 Desktop

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post #88 of 102
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Originally Posted by John.B View Post

And that, folks, is why Adobe can't be trusted with access to low-level video hardware for Flash (or anything else).

And, yes, I did notice they finally gave up on Flash for Android installs.

Shantanu Narayen really should resign so Adobe can get back to the stuff that made them great, not the craptacular Macromedia stuff they bought.

'Nuff Said
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According to netmarketshare, IE6 still has more users than any (single) desktop edition of Safari, at 6.17% of the browser market. 

In what sense of the word has IE6 "bitten the dust"?

/hates IE6, I do

It is impossible to make a reasonable website today that caters for IE6.
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Originally Posted by coolfactor View Post

In this day and age, my car should not have got a flat tire!

LOL how true.
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Originally Posted by fredaroony View Post

How does one just get switched over without them knowing lol?

People are idiots. You can call them up and say "we're Microsoft and we've detected a virus. Give us your credit card details and we will sort it out".

This is the world that Microsoft has contributed to. Think about that. Ideology aside, let's face it, Microsoft is complicit in this kind of nonsense.

Of course, Apple should fix the bug, and they are not perfect. But the argument that "Oh, Microsoft or Windows is better, it would never happen with them" is ridiculous.
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What apple bug, it's a chrome bug, check the original ai article 1rolleyes.gif

Ps. Guys something's got to be done about huddler and smillies I am still getting question marks on the left where the smilies I presume ar esupposed to be and no smilie shortcut ever appears in anything other than a question mark on mobile safari...ok we kinda accepted the blank spaces between posts (I wouldn't say gotten used to them) but to not be able to post the occasional emoticon...shhhhisssh
post #90 of 102
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Originally Posted by myapplelove View Post

What apple bug, it's a chrome bug, check the original ai article 1rolleyes.gif
Ps. Guys something's got to be done about huddler and smillies I am still getting question marks on the left where the smilies I presume ar esupposed to be and no smilie shortcut ever appears in anything other than a question mark on mobile safari...ok we kinda accepted the blank spaces between posts (I wouldn't say gotten used to them) but to not be able to post the occasional emoticon...shhhhisssh

I can never show a smilie. Not sure what's going on. Post feedback on http://forums.appleinsider.com/f/12/feedback ?
post #91 of 102
I like the absence of smileys. Unfortunately, I sometimes do see them, sometimes not. Perhaps it has to do with the 'type of smiley', but I don't like blinking stuff on webpages that has a lot of text I want to read. Anyone kno of a smiley blocker?

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post #92 of 102
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Originally Posted by libdem View Post

So he's a troll just because he has a different viewpoint ?
Also, He has backed up his statement with a quote from the apple site.
What basis have you to call him a troll,expect your closed,bigoted mind?

Ad hominem attacks are banned according to the rules and regulations.
And here you are,a moderator,calling another person a troll simply because he does not agree with you.
Welcome to BigotedInsider people where the moderators want a forum of yes men to massage their egos.

No, we want a forum were people don't come in with inflammatory comments and loaded terminology specifically chosen to disrupt the forum. To call a spade a spade is not bigotry. We don't have a problem with opposing viewpoints, just when people try to come here and make trouble with the locals rather than have a calm discussion.

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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

I'll bet the fix is also worthy of a new version number.

Really. What is it, a new version number every four months?

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Originally Posted by DennyL View Post

Chrome was my default browser, but I gave up using it a few months ago because it was causing my 2009 MacBook Pro to freeze every couple of days or so (running current version of OS X). Now I've gone back to using Firefox it never freezes. I occasionally start Chrome just to see if there''s been a software update, because I dare not use it as it is.

Firefox freezes too. That you haven't had it, good for you. I've not discerned a significant difference among the group of Firefox, Safari and Chrome, they all hog memory and they all have stability problems after a while, so I end up rotating among those three.

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Originally Posted by sausages View Post

Not the most informed post I have to say. Chrome on iOS is slower than Safari as *Apple* does not allow programs which use uiwebview (browsers cannot have their own rendering engine on iOS) to use the Nitro javascript engine.

Chrome uses the same rendering engine that Safari does, so the rendering engine shouldn't be a problem.

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Originally Posted by sr2012 View Post

Yeah I had a funny feeling Chrome was causing some beach balling here and there, so I deleted Flash, then after a few weeks I just deleted Chrome. Screw it.
Never had problems with Firefox in the past few months, especially hammering 12 website tabs or more (no, not pr9n, I can't handle that level of "stimulation").

As far as I'm concerned, all the browsers have problems to relatively similar degrees. I've been using Firefox over half a decade and it's been getting worse. Maybe it can't handle its legacy data in profiles, but I've had it happen on different computers.
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Originally Posted by hill60 View Post

Why did Apple develop WebKit?

Was it:-

a) for a new browser called "Safari"

b) something to do, because it was fun

c) an evil way to collect more "apple tax" from iSheeps

The original development of WebKit was outside of Apple, for a Linux window manager. While Apple is a major force, others have a hand in it too. Google has some acknowledgements in Safari. Along with Lucent, Netscape, Cambridge and many other contributors.
Edited by JeffDM - 6/30/12 at 5:55am
post #93 of 102

mac books and goggle chrome don't mix the programs are different duh!!

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Originally Posted by JeffDM View Post

No, we want a forum were people don't come in with inflammatory comments and loaded terminology specifically chosen to disrupt the forum. To call a spade a spade is not bigotry. We don't have a problem with opposing viewpoints, just when people try to come here and make trouble with the locals rather than have a calm discussion.

???

Aren't you a global moderator? If you don't want people to "come in with inflammatory comments and loaded terminology specifically chosen to disrupt the forum," you have the ability to stop them. Many of the regular posters are disturbed by recent trends and no one at Apple Insider appears to be doing anything. There seems to be no response to insulting comments made toward members let alone inflammatory or extraneous messages with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response. I have resorted to blocking more than half of all posts in every discussion because of this disturbing trend.
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Originally Posted by Hiro View Post

 

It can be very easy when you run an installer and it has a little innocuous checkbox asking if you would like to change default X.  That game is played far more on the PC side of the house.  After that the VAST majority of users just don't pay attention to the kinds of details that would clue them in that something significant changed.  They just chalk it up to that darned computer.

That's happened to me exactly zero times in my history of using computers. Are you seriously saying users are installing Chrome without their knowledge?

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Originally Posted by fredaroony View Post

That's happened to me exactly zero times in my history of using computers. Are you seriously saying users are installing Chrome without their knowledge?

Yes. These same users are the ones who have google toolbars, ask toolbars, yahoo toolbars, bing toolbars all running in ie.

If you worked in the IT industry with thousands of users you would see that the vast majority of users are complete and utter idiots who a) never read anything when installing a program and b) never question the fact that their browser has changed, only happy in that they have regained the 3 inches of screen that they previously lost to toolbars.
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Originally Posted by irnchriz View Post


Yes. These same users are the ones who have google toolbars, ask toolbars, yahoo toolbars, bing toolbars all running in ie.
If you worked in the IT industry with thousands of users you would see that the vast majority of users are complete and utter idiots who a) never read anything when installing a program and b) never question the fact that their browser has changed, only happy in that they have regained the 3 inches of screen that they previously lost to toolbars.

Toolbars I would believe but not a whole browser considering the steps you have to go through.

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Originally Posted by irnchriz View Post

Yes. These same users are the ones who have google toolbars, ask toolbars, yahoo toolbars, bing toolbars all running in ie.
If you worked in the IT industry with thousands of users you would see that the vast majority of users are complete and utter idiots who a) never read anything when installing a program and b) never question the fact that their browser has changed, only happy in that they have regained the 3 inches of screen that they previously lost to toolbars.

This is why I believe in "post-web" development. The WWW is a morass of nonsense for the most part. It's like wading through thicker and thicker mud to get to what I want. Then again maybe this is just a basic usability thing which most people have no clue about, including "professionals".

Something has happened. We are now in a post-PC post-Web world. And only a handful of people get this.
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Originally Posted by fredaroony View Post

That's happened to me exactly zero times in my history of using computers. Are you seriously saying users are installing Chrome without their knowledge?

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Originally Posted by irnchriz View Post

Yes. These same users are the ones who have google toolbars, ask toolbars, yahoo toolbars, bing toolbars all running in ie.
If you worked in the IT industry with thousands of users you would see that the vast majority of users are complete and utter idiots who a) never read anything when installing a program and b) never question the fact that their browser has changed, only happy in that they have regained the 3 inches of screen that they previously lost to toolbars.

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Originally Posted by fredaroony View Post

Toolbars I would believe but not a whole browser considering the steps you have to go through.

I agree, a lot of software installers try to install toolbars, and many do it in very sneaky ways. There are a lot of people that aren't paying any attention to what they're doing, but that's besides the point: I've never seen a case where a user installed a web browser without deliberately wanting it. For that, I would have to say *Citation Needed. I won't say it's impossible, but seems unlikely that it's happened very often. A toolbar is a very small piece of data, maybe can be made to fit several kb, a web browser is hundreds of megabytes.
Edited by JeffDM - 7/1/12 at 5:35am
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Originally Posted by fredaroony View Post

That's happened to me exactly zero times in my history of using computers. Are you seriously saying users are installing Chrome without their knowledge?

 

No, you are intentionally misreading, a skill you have repeatedly proven to be very adept at.   It doesn't matter how many times a fictitious thing does not happen to you, it only matters if the real thing happens to others.   I do state that the defaults can change essentially unbeknownst to many users.

 

I have assisted PC users who have no clue what browser is opening and don't care.  At least until the newly defaulted browser doesn't have the expected certificates installed and a website won't open up.  Then they go "I never chose that!".

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post #101 of 102
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I agree, a lot of software installers try to install toolbars, and many do it in very sneaky ways. There are a lot of people that aren't paying any attention to what they're doing, but that's besides the point: I've never seen a case where a user installed a web browser without deliberately wanting it. For that, I would have to say *Citation Needed. I won't say it's impossible, but seems unlikely that it's happened very often. A toolbar is a very small piece of data, maybe can be made to fit several kb, a web browser is hundreds of megabytes.

@fredaroony is intentionally misstating my previous post, he does this regularly with many posters who do not agree with his astroturf.  Maybe he should have the citation needed before you or anyone else believe anything he says.

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post #102 of 102
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Originally Posted by SixPenceRicher View Post

So now I need to find another reason why my Win 7 machine continues to freeze and blue screen, because "Windows 7 is so reliable"?!  I keep hearing people say how much more reliable Win 7 is, yet as a daily user, I find Win 7 incredibly unreliable and an operating system that requires a substantial amount of maintenance just to keep the bloody thing running.  I don't think there has been a single week which hasn't required a reboot of my Win 7 machine, including, yes, system freezes.  

 

Over the past year, the ONLY two issues I've had with my MBA have been (a) the occasional freezes, apparently caused by Chrome [which I've stopped using for now], and (b) some annoying Thunderbolt Display problems which now seem to be lingering in the past.  I don't know that the freeze issue that I'm having is a kernel panic, per se, because the system continues to operate with cursor movement, but I simply can't do anything (as opposed to the traditional grey-screen kernel panic which literally halts the machine with a pretty message).  

 

Regardless of how applications "should" behave, and errors "should" be handled by the underlying operating system, these things are complex beasts, and both Windows 7 and OS X can benefit from improvements to ALWAYS prevent applications in user-land from killing the machine.


Amen to that. I always have this one crash a day problem. sometimes it even becomes 3 crashes a day for a troubled week.

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