Apple wins injunction against Samsung Galaxy Nexus smartphone - Page 4

The patent system is hopelessly broken.  All these lawsuits need to stop.  They make the filers look like bullies that rather litigate than innovate. 

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Originally Posted by Rogifan 

Who would have thought 10-15 years ago that Apple's biggest competitor would end up being Samsung? I certainly never did.

Considering Apple was nearly bankrupt 15 years ago, probably no one :)

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Originally Posted by fredaroony 

Considering Apple was nearly bankrupt 15 years ago, probably no one :)

Myth - it's because of Apple's cash position over time that it survived. (Billions back then aren't what billions today are.)

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Originally Posted by SolipsismX 


Then you argue the merits of their claims, not the number of claims themselves.
PS: Would you not consider a Moto lawsuit part of Google at this point?

• http://news.cnet.com/8301-27076_3-57365978-248/motorola-sues-apple-over-iphone-4s-icloud/

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Originally Posted by Wovel 


If they have haven't sued anyone why are Google and Motorola being investigated by the FTC for absuing their FRAND patents?
Could it be because of the lawsuit Motorola filed in January? (http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/01/25/us-motorola-apple-idUSTRE80O29G20120125). From the time of the announcement, all major decisions at Motorola were approved but Google. Did Google come along and withdraw the suit? Or is it now evil to direct a subsidiary to do something. If Apple moved all their patents to a subsidiary company and had that company sue, would you think it was OK?
This was just one example of Google suing a competitor. It took me 5 seconds to find it.

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Originally Posted by SolipsismX 


But using FRAND patents illegally isn't suing. The Moto lwsuit I'd say falls under Google squarely.

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Originally Posted by EricTheHalfBee 

 

What about Google "assigning" patents to HTC so HTC could sue Apple? Or is suing by proxy not the same thing as suing directly?

 

And what about Google officially backing up Motorola long before their acquisition was finalized (you know, where Google stood behind Moto's universally criticized 2.25% royalty demands).

You guys can dance around all you want imagining that Google has been some big litigator. Instead it's more of the "we against the world" attitude carried over from back in the day when Apple really was "we against the world". Google hasn't sued Apple. Google hasn't sued Microsoft.

Simply find a case where Google has initiated an IP lawsuit against a competitor. Any competitor will do. There's gotta be several of those over their 15 years of existence considering the attacks they get from all sides. Surely they've at least turned around and filed their own counter-suit IP claims in defense.  Even forget an whether IP is involved. Find any lawsuit they've filed against a competitor, just one, and I'll happily acknowledge that I'm wrong.

Buying a company with active litigation going on is not Google suing a competitor.

Selling patents to HTC that are used for HTC defense is not Google suing a competitor.

Announcing they wish to purchase some company who has on-going issues with a competitor is not Google suing a competitor.

Wait until they actually put their name to a lawsuit against Apple, or Microsoft or Oracle or whoever. Then everyone can have a go on how it's proof of how evil Google is, attacking it's rivals in court rather than the marketplace. It will probably happen eventually. I'm shocked Google hasn't done so already with the Microsoft/Apple gang-bang going on. So far not one forum member can find an actual case where they have. Think there might be a reason for that?

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Originally Posted by hjb 


Lol. Maybe you are not living in real world.
A lot of courts what? Please provide me with links. (sorry, you tend to say something as facts but you do not back your claims with any plausible links)

Ask him for a car analogy, he likes those :)

Great news!  Hopefully Google/Samesung stops copying everything Apple does and come up with something original for once.  If it was not for iOS, Android would look just like the dead Blackberry OS and phones.

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Originally Posted by Drealoth 

This sucks.

 

Read the patent in question - it's trivial...

It should be easy to make a work around.

Samsung would be off the hook.

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Originally Posted by e_veritas 

"Apple has made a clear showing that, in the absence of a preliminary injunction, it is likely to lose substantial market share in the smartphone market and to lose substantial downstream sales of future smartphone purchases and tag-along products," Judge Koh said in Friday's ruling.

 

Who is still buying the Samsung Galaxy Nexus? I can see "lose substantial market share" if this was a PI against the S3 that is currently selling millions, but the Galaxy Nexus???

Isn't that the one Google was showing their Jellybean on, the one that get's jellybean in a couple of weeks, the one that has been reduced to $350 in anticipation of new demand?

Nexus this week, Galaxy S III next.

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Originally Posted by hjb 


Galaxy Nexus is nothing like iPhone 4s. You should take Samsung out of this case. They are in no way at fault, if there is any.
Disappointed iPhone 4s, I settled with Galaxy Nexus. Perfect phone really. All my iPhone friends examine my beauty with amused look every time they get hand on it. I think ICS already killed IOS. JB (jelly bean) with Sammy would certainly proof-kill next iPhone, IMO.
Apple knows that, so this. (Can not compete? Litigate) nothing else really

So JellyBean with butter will finally stop the inherent Android lag, wasn't it Ice Cream Sandwich that was going to do that?

Wasn't Gingerbread the answer to the lag or was that eclair?

If your Nexus is so great with ICS why was Google touting another solution for the inherent lag present in Android, "Trust us, this time it's going to work".

PS I own a Galaxy Nexus it's ok as a toy to mess with, for real work I use my iPhone 4.

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Originally Posted by hjb 


Galaxy Nexus is nothing like iPhone 4s. You should take Samsung out of this case. They are in no way at fault, if there is any.
Disappointed iPhone 4s, I settled with Galaxy Nexus. Perfect phone really. All my iPhone friends examine my beauty with amused look every time they get hand on it. I think ICS already killed IOS. JB (jelly bean) with Sammy would certainly proof-kill next iPhone, IMO.
Apple knows that, so this. (Can not compete? Litigate) nothing else really

so true. if there were no android phones you wouldn't have any larger screens, freedom, and for sure apple would have no reason to really improve. thats what got them in trouble long ago. they just kept putting out sh*t, tacking on more and more bloat onto the original mac os. 

apple just sees that they are going to have to spend a lot of money and put major effort into keeping the iphone and ios alive and they dont like that. so they litigate. there are no stupid 'home' buttons on the galaxy nexus, it has a much larger screen and Android 4 is clearly not ios other than you use your fingers to manipulate it. it looks better than the iphone and i am glad i have mine and even if apple succeeded in eliminating android (which ain't going to happen) i still would not get an iphone. 

i can't believe the number of people on here taking a 'microsoft phone is okay, but android needs to go'. just shows how idiotic they are.

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Originally Posted by hill60 

 

So JellyBean with butter will finally stop the inherent Android lag, wasn't it Ice Cream Sandwich that was going to do that?

 

Wasn't Gingerbread the answer to the lag or was that eclair?

 

If your Nexus is so great with ICS why was Google touting another solution for the inherent lag present in Android, "Trust us, this time it's going to work".

 

PS I own a Galaxy Nexus it's ok as a toy to mess with, for real work I use my iPhone 4.

ha ha. 'for real work'. yeah, right. thats what i see people doing with smartphones. 'real' work. so tell us what real work you are getting done with the iphone that you can't do with your GN?

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Originally Posted by Gatorguy 

Buying a company with active litigation going on is not Google suing a competitor.

Selling patents to HTC that are used for HTC defense is not Google suing a competitor.

Announcing they wish to purchase some company who has on-going issues with a competitor is not Google suing a competitor.

 

No, it's called "being a patent troll".

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Originally Posted by tooltalk 

 

I believe this is Apple's slide-to-unlock feature in Android 4.0.   Most of Apple's design patents have been invalidated or thrown out in courts worldwide.

Right.  Uh, no. 

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Originally Posted by MacBook Pro 


Not only that, virtually all the evidence suggests that Apple iOS is superior to Google Android is every way:
* Apple iPhone has the highest customer retention rate. http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/11/09/22/apples_iphone_has_89_retention_rate_next_nearest_hardware_is_htc_at_39.html
* Apple iPhone has the highest customer satisfaction http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/19/iphone-customer-satisfaction-jd-power-associates_n_1354393.html
* Apple has the best smartphone reliability http://www.squaretrade.com/cell-phone-comparison-study-nov-10
* Apple iPhone offers much less expensive prices for apps than Android. http://mobile.eweek.com/c/a/Mobile-and-Wireless/iPhone-Apps-Are-Cheaper-than-Android-Report-321632/
Apple has the market leading ecosystem with:
* 28 million (mostly) DRM-free songs worldwide (many encoded as 256 kbit/s AAC)
* 1,000,000+ podcasts (USA)
* 40,000+ music videos (USA)
* 3,000+ TV shows (USA)
* 20,000+ audiobooks (USA)
* 2,500+ movies (USA)
* 725,700 App Store Apps with more than 25 billion downloads
* Apple has more than 70% of the digital music downloads
* Apple iTunes provides seamless synchronization of Apps, audiobooks, Books, calendars, contacts, movies, music, podcasts, and TV shows between iOS and OS X or Microsoft Windows
* Apple iCloud provides seamless synchronization of Apps, audiobooks, Books, calendars, contacts, movies, music, podcasts, TV shows in the cloud
* Apple iTunes AirPlay provides wireless media playback between iOS and OS X or Microsoft Windows
* Apple iTunes in the Cloud provides free, unlimited perpetual storage and access on-demand to the entire catalog of purchased movies, music and TV shows
* Apple iCloud provides free mail, calendars and contacts
* Apple iCloud provides 5 GB free storage which enables bookmarks, calendars, contacts, data & document, email, notes, to-do lists and web browser reading lists and tabs synchronization across devices and platforms
* Apple Photo Stream provides up to one month storage of up to 1,000 digital photographs with synchronization across devices
* Apple iCloud "Back to my Mac" service automatically configures ad hoc, on-demand, point-to-point encrypted connections between computers using IPSec.
* Apple iCloud "Find my iPhone" allows users to track the location of their iOS device, or Mac with the ability to see the device's approximate location on a map (along with a circle showing the radius depicting the margin of error), display a message or play a sound on the device (even if it is set to silent), change the password on the device, and remotely erase its contents
* Apple iCloud allows users the option to back up iOS devices online and restore from online backup without connecting to a computer
* Apple provides consumer content creation and editing apps for apps, textbooks, movies (and TV shows), music and digital photography

TLDR

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Originally Posted by hill60 

 

 for real work I use my iPhone 4.

For real work I use a quad-core i7 machine with lots of RAM.  Do you write novels on your telephone?  Construct spreadsheets?  What do you mean by "real work"?

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Originally Posted by screamingfist 

ha ha. 'for real work'. yeah, right. thats what i see people doing with smartphones. 'real' work. so tell us what real work you are getting done with the iphone that you can't do with your GN?

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Originally Posted by JerrySwitched26 

 

 

For real work I use a quad-core i7 machine with lots of RAM.  Do you write novels on your telephone?  Construct spreadsheets?  What do you mean by "real work"?

Communicating with people.

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Originally Posted by hill60 

 

It should be easy to make a work around.

 

Samsung would be off the hook.

If the patent were specific, that wouldn't be a problem.

Consider Swipe to Unlock. Nifty feature - does it deserve a 20 year monopoly? I don't think so. Trademarks stop people from blatantly copying it, and the western market anyway does not like knockoffs. The views are very different - on the Nexus, you swipe right from the middle to unlock, left to turn on the camera, with Apple, it's the left to right motion it has always been. Apple contests that all swiping is an infringement - not just right to left, but even in a circle or some pattern. They also consider a tap to be a zero length swipe. So tapping on the phone to unlock is also out of the question. So how do you work around this? You could put a physical unlock button on the device, but Apple has (as they claim) a monopoly on unlocking a phone via the touchscreen. And this is in addition to trademark laws that protect them further.

Everyone has these garbage patents, and it makes me pretty sad to see a company that I really love going down this route of suing competitors over these trivial software patents, which is something that I am morally very opposed to. I'm not saying that I'm going to boycott Apple, or that I'll stop using their products or developing software for their hardware, but it just is disappointing. The world is a little bit of a darker place because of it.

This isn't a problem with Apple's patents in particular, it's a problem with all software patents. Apple and Google are both very close to my heart though, which is why this bothers me even more.

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Originally Posted by Apple ][ 

I headed over to Engadget for a few laughs, a site which I rarely visit anymore, because the comment sections are infested with ignorant trash and human garbage, but it was pretty funny and also pretty predictable to read some of the whiny and hateful comments being made by the butthurt Fandroids there. Hopefully there are more bans and injunctions coming in the future, it makes me feel good to see other ignorant people mad.

Thank you for so eloquently stating the main reason why I read the comments on this site!

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Originally Posted by jragosta Really? How about some evidence.

Yes really Jr.

It was pretty widely reported at the time , and mentioned here several times. I think you'll even find an article dedicated to it here at AI, but not completely certain. I'm very surprised you weren't aware of it, being so interested in legal issues and such.

To quote via Gigaom:

"Apple’s .. argument is that “a tap is a zero-length swipe.” That’s silly (replied Judge Posner).  It’s like saying that a point is a zero-length line."

The additional argument against it was that since even Apple recognizes a distinction between a swipe and a tap then they cannot be one  and the same.

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Originally Posted by Gatorguy 

I think that's just an assumption that's no longer true. Outside of the search space they actually have thousands of patents, some reportedly targeting Apple directly including specific IBM transfers.

http://www.patentlyo.com/patent/2011/08/guest-post-google-is-packing-heat-with-sights-on-apple-1.html

 

http://www.seobythesea.com/2012/01/ibm-assigns-patent-filings-to-google/#more-7107

They own patents for computer architecture, encryption, networking, multi-thread processing, 3-dimensional modeling.  Others are in the area of fiber-optics, the Google Glasses project, self-driving cars, voice search, audio and video. They've cherry-picked network patents and data center patents among others from HP, a few thousand more hand-selected IBM patents, even IP from "patent-troll" MOSAID. No doubt that if Google wanted to go on offense they could make quite a commotion at the minimum.  Even in the search space where they've played and innovated for years they've not sued any competitor even tho it's clear they have IP to do so.

 

Every comment they've made in the past says that's not what they're about, and their actions to date have mirrored that attitude. That's the way I see it at least. It's not that they can't sue, lacking IP of their own. IMO, it's that they've made a policy decision not to.

That's all what I was referring to in my second sentence:   

And it is very debatable as to whether the patents they purchased will be actually useful in a direct fashion.  IBM wasn't selling the crown jewels, they were just selling patents that they saw no means to adequately monetize as IBM.  That would include patents that could be licensed, not just used for IBM production.  So Google buying that stuff looks like either desperation or basic foundation building that won't help for many years when derivative stuff can actually be built based on the bought stuff.

As for Google's comment, that has turned into a bald-faced lie. They hide behind the technicality that Google did not file the lawsuits, but they explicitly controlled Moto Mobilities ability to file lawsuits and transferred several patents to partners that were immediately used to sue Apple.  I consider that patently deceptive, and not the kind of corporate behavior that fits with their public statements.

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Originally Posted by Hellacool 


Why do people equate writing checks as innovation? Apple didn't invent Siri, develop or have anything to do with it. They wrote a check for it. Smart, very, innovative, not very.

So what do you call this then?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_acquisitions_by_Google

Twentynine (29) since Jauary 2011.

Apple has bought exactly three (3) companies in the same timeframe.

If Google owns intellectual property that is being infringed and it is not utilizing the courts to protect it, its corporate officers are failing their fiduciary duty to

GOOG shareholders.  Also, the implication that Google is somehow altruistic by not filing lawsuits in its own name is unlikely correct.  It is more like that

they understand that they are living in the most fragile of glass houses, with regard to IP theft, and realize it would not be in their interest to throw stones (at

least without wearing a disguise).

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Originally Posted by Apple ][ 

Of course I'm talking about online only.

 

I'm not going to assault some random person on the street for using an Android phone, lol. When I'm on the subway, I usually just pity the people who I see using non-Apple phones. 

Thank you for your pity but I prefer to stand out than be lost in the crowd!  Proud owner of a Google Galaxy Nexus (my first ever smartphone) and soon to be owner of a Nexus 7 and ASUS TF700.  Vive la difference!

Competition is good ONLY if the rival innovates and designs their own products and NOT there to COPY and imitate--technology then moves forward!  

Unfortunately Samesung is known for literally copying Apple's products, thus the rationale for all these patent wars against the inferior copycat!

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Originally Posted by jragosta 


 A line is, by definition, a two dimensional object.

Surely a Doctor of Science would know that a line is a one dimensional object.  By definition.