Apple wins injunction against Samsung Galaxy Nexus smartphone - Page 2

The iPad and MacBook air both disprove your point completely.

Prior to your statement "competition = good," being considered (much less proven true), the following must be proven:

1. You must define "competition." Who? What markets? What devices? Is the sale of a 5" "smartphone" an alternative to the purchase of a 3.5" smartphone and a 9.7" tablet?
2. You must define "good." "Good" for whom? "More good" than alternatives?
3. You must prove competition is "good." Many studies exist that demonstrate that competition is not "good."

Personally, I find the argument fallacious. Who in their right mind believes that a device which only requires a USD $96 million bond for a preliminary injunction is competition for a company with profits over USD $10 billion per quarter and a market capitalization of over USD $500 billion.
Edited by MacBook Pro - 6/29/12 at 5:34pm

RIM must be happy, with BB10 behind schedule this just might give them the space to sell something. I always thought that the best defense would have been a collaboration, one device, one system, where all parties could have profitted. Instead they fought themselves and the iPhone and its ecosystem--it's strongest point to many--allowing Apple to forge an ever growing stronghold on the market. As for this victory I hope it deters not instigates more legal rambling. Really, don't we all just want to enjoy our chosen platforms and devices.

 

 

You are correct the injunction was based on a utility patent, however, you are wrong about the look and feel not resembling Apple. I was in a  Best Buy Store the other day and I saw at least three people walk by the Samsung display and think the phone was an iPhone. Samsung is coping Apple heavily. Much more so than HTC, Motorola, and Nokia. Apple's argument is Samsung's copying of its look and feel is what is allowing Samsung to sell so many phones. Considering HTC, Motorola, and Nokia are struggling Apple's argument may have some validity. 

So the tech world revolves around what you say should and should not survive based on what you like? High horse much? When you become a big boy and mommy and daddy can no longer fill your head full of lies about being special you will understand how the real world works. I hope you are a minority in the pool of the youth or this world is doomed.

 

 

The difference is Motorola isn't selling many phones. Hence Posner saying Apple couldn't' prove damages. Samsung is selling more phones than Apple. Damages are easier to establish there. Further, different patents are at issue. 

What a nice birthday present for the iPhone on it's 5th birthday.

 

 

Why does people equate copying with innovation? Innovation inherently means coming up with your own ideas not copying your competitors. 

There's people that think every smartphone is an iPhone. Neither the Nexus nor S3 has even a passing resemblence to Apple products other than they both have screens and icons. Even you would agree with that, correct? The "look" isn't much issue any longer IMO. I can't think of any new smartphone that looks like an iPhone.

This is definitely a great win for our Apple family. The fandroids will be hurting real bad over this judgment.

Why do people equate writing checks as innovation? Apple didn't invent Siri, develop or have anything to do with it. They wrote a check for it. Smart, very, innovative, not very.

It has already started unraveling:

Update: Reuters reports that Judge Koh, "scheduled a hearing on Monday to consider whether to put the Galaxy Nexus injunction on hold pending appeal." In a decision earlier this week, Koh also granted Apple a pre-trial ban on the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1, and Koh said she might rule on Sunday whether to hold that injunction pending appeal.

So she made an decision, then quickly decided to reconsider.

In Android-land up-is-down, black-is-white, etc. They have an illogical, irrational view that isn't supported by evidence. Frankly, it is beyond my comprehension but evidence suggests that such is literally the case. Anything to fuel their hatred of Apple. As someone previously noted, there are few people that love Android but many who hate Apple which appears to be the primary force driving the adoption of Android-based smartphones.(1) There truly does appear to be a self affirmation bias (reality distortion field) at work on Android fans.


1. Henry Blodget and Leah Goldman. Published 18 April, 2011. THE TRUTH ABOUT SMARTPHONES: Our Exclusive Survey On iPhone vs Android. Bussiness Insider. Retrieved 29 June, 2012.

 

 

Screamie!! You are back to resorting to ad homs and not even trying to debate on a posts merits.  

Its the number estimated to be the loss Samsung will take for not being able to sell the Nexus. If Samsung wins the patents case then they are awarded that money as compensation.

it had no merits. i came, i saw, i insulted.

 

Well they have to since they don't have much in the technical non-search space.   Just about everything they have outside of the search space is bought after the fact or just hoping to not get sued over. That's a significant part of why they purchased Moto Mobile.

And where is a NYT article to report this ruling? Is this not major news?

Don't read that drivel posted by the Android faithful. Google has plenty of lawsuits or has armed partners and subsidiaries with the means to sue competitors.

"Google owns Motorola Mobility Inc. "Judge Richard Posner threw out a heated case between Apple and Google-owned Motorola Mobility yesterday, ending an infringement squabble between two companies in deep competition."" (1)

"A regional German court in Mannheim ruled on Friday that Apple Sales International -- European sales subsidiary of Apple in Cork, Ireland -- must stop selling or distributing mobile devices that infringe certain Motorola patents." (2)

"The U.S. International Trade Commission has granted an Apple motion to dismiss five patents HTC received from Google last year." (3)






1. Meghan Kelly. Published 23 June, 2012. Apple v. Motorola Mobility epic patent case thrown out. Venture Beat. Retrieved 29 June, 2012.
2. Poornima Gupta and Maria Sheahan. Published 10 December, 2011. Motorola wins German patent case ruling vs Apple. Reuters. Retrieved 29 June, 2012.
3. Steven Musil. Published June 11, 2012. Apple wins dismissal of HTC patents borrowed from Google. CNET. Retrieved 29 June, 2012.

 

Well, Apple hasn't sued Google either, for that matter.

 

And it would be kind of silly (or take a lot of chutzpah) to sue a competitor whose product came out a year before yours.

 

I take care of my own finances and I mainly only trade AAPL. No Samsung is allowed in my portfolio. If I were to have companies which I don't care for in my portfolio, it would only be for shorting purposes.

To me, this is a bigger concern for Google than Samsung.

 

I don't know what are the exact terms and conditions for Android licensing, but since Galaxy Nexus uses Pure Google experience, anything related to core Android functionality would and should be indemnified by Google.

 

Google better pour money and support Samsung in this litigation, or else Apple basically can ban any Android smartphones "infringing" on the same patent.

 

:D

 

effing rotten apple.

They're probably too busy preparing some other article full of lies about Apple, as they have done in the past.

 

 

Also, for what it's worth, Google has indeed sued someone, which also took a lot of chutzpah...

As it should be. Innovate, don't recreate.

Google literally has dozens of pending lawsuits of which this is only one.

 

That's probably exactly what RIM and Nokia said a few years ago too.

 

Now we're talking! That's the bigger picture, or I sure hope that it is. :)

 

Apple has enough money to sue everybody who deserves to get sued.

It sure is, and they sure are. And it will also only get worse, I'm thrilled!

 

Don't see this on Reuters website.

Right. Their attitude is get someone on the board of another company and rip off all the IP you can.

Could you possibly post info on the touch user interface and virtual keyboard Android had pre iPhone?

All of you can laugh at yourselves.  Rah, Rah, Team, Rah, Rah, Team.  What a bunch of idiots.  Tech is not Apple, Microsoft or Google. Tech is what makes our lives funner, it does not all come from our apparent software overlords.  Make of it what you can with what you have.  I do get a lot of popcorn reading from both sides, so, I have to thank you for that lol, stupid sheep (both sides).

I think that's just an assumption that's no longer true. Outside of the search space they actually have thousands of patents, some reportedly targeting Apple directly including specific IBM transfers.

http://www.patentlyo.com/patent/2011/08/guest-post-google-is-packing-heat-with-sights-on-apple-1.html

 

http://www.seobythesea.com/2012/01/ibm-assigns-patent-filings-to-google/#more-7107

They own patents for computer architecture, encryption, networking, multi-thread processing, 3-dimensional modeling.  Others are in the area of fiber-optics, the Google Glasses project, self-driving cars, voice search, audio and video. They've cherry-picked network patents and data center patents among others from HP, a few thousand more hand-selected IBM patents, even IP from "patent-troll" MOSAID. No doubt that if Google wanted to go on offense they could make quite a commotion at the minimum.  Even in the search space where they've played and innovated for years they've not sued any competitor even tho it's clear they have IP to do so.

 

Every comment they've made in the past says that's not what they're about, and their actions to date have mirrored that attitude. That's the way I see it at least. It's not that they can't sue, lacking IP of their own. IMO, it's that they've made a policy decision not to.

Well, no.

A decision to stay the injunction pending appeal is not 'reconsidering'. Rather, it is "I made my decision, but I'm willing to wait to hear if the appeals court agrees before letting my decision go into effect."

Not that it matters. In the earlier Samsung case, the appeals court sent it back with a clear message that her refusal to issue an injunction was not acceptable. It's not like they're going to overturn it now.

That only worked once. ;)

Thanks for pointing that out. I'll modify my statement then: Google has never sued any competitor.

The 4 patents are listed above in the article  I believe the biggest one was regarding Siri. The tablet that they got the injunction against already has a newer version out, but I believe that their is a fee for Samsung to have to pay Apple now. Samsung  won a case last week where Apple will have to pay them money. Now this Samsung Google Nexus phone, when I looked it up all I could find is an older phone from last year, from October of 2011. Not being familiar with android personally is there a newer version of this out? Color me confused with so many android phones and names.    I keep seeing news articles saying Nexus "device" which isn't right from what I can find it's only the phone. 

"Google sues tiny indie label"

 

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/05/06/google_sues_blues_label/

No that was posted in the original news articles along with the ban would be in effect as soon as Apple posted the $96 bond. It's very confusing i know 

My personal feeling is that Google and Android have taken quite a bit from Apple and the iPhone. It's pretty hard to say otherwise based on their handsets pre-iPhone.

 

Besides that though, I'd rather plunk down my hard earned money for phone created by a company whose core business model is designing great hardware and software, then selling it to anyone who wants it. (It doesn't even necessarily have to be Apple) Google's core business however is very different. They create (for the most part) services and offer them for free so they can harvest your personal information and then sell it. THAT is the real product that they sell. I avoid Google wherever I can. They creep me out. like Facebook.