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What was niece for me was the free Web hosting provided by MobileMe, together with iWeb. Although iWeb will probably not be supported anymore .. it still works, and I have found an alternate host for my site (created with iWeb). I have to say I have trouble to understand the logic behind this decision, but time will probably tell ....

 

I agree with you. I can maybe understand why they dropped the hosting but not why they dropped iWeb. Apple just doesn't seem interested in their OSX software products anymore. We've had no new versions of iWork for 4 years now so I guess that product is dead to and they haven't mentioned iLife for a while now either. It's one thing to drop a hardware product like the 17" MBP but it's quite different to drop a software product leaving all your customers in the lurch. I simply don't trust Apple on software anymore which is why I'm in the process of migrating back to Microsoft and Adobe software.

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I agree with you. I can maybe understand why they dropped the hosting but not why they dropped iWeb. Apple just doesn't seem interested in their OSX software products anymore. We've had no new versions of iWork for 4 years now so I guess that product is dead to and they haven't mentioned iLife for a while now either. It's one thing to drop a hardware product like the 17" MBP but it's quite different to drop a software product leaving all your customers in the lurch. I simply don't trust Apple on software anymore which is why I'm in the process of migrating back to Microsoft and Adobe software.

Customers are in a lurch? As far as I can tell iWeb and iWork are both Universal apps that still run on Lion and ML so what lurch are they in? Are you defining lurch as not getting rich updates with a new paid version because that's not what lurch means? Are you defining lurch as Apple allowing other apps like MS Office, RapidWeaver and countless others to be used on a Macs because that's not what lurch means?

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If items were left on one's iDisk, are they destroyed? How can they (if they can) be retrieved?

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Microsoft relies on legacy. It's what holds them back and in part what's holding back the entire industry. Count it as a blessing that Apple's taken a forward-looking approach. 

 

Your "workflow" is VERY outdated. Find alternatives. They're out there, but you do need to adapt a little bit. This is required of human beings from time to time. Remember?

 

Apple's been supporting PPC since 1992. It's been 20 years. They've just ended it recently. Apple has done more than their fair share of supporting old-ass applications. 

 

But here's the good news: you can still run Snow Leopard on another partition. Presto. You can keep using your PPC apps. 

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iDisk allows you to do any file. iCloud lets you do whatever files are compatible with whatever applications have cloud document syncing.

 

I look forward to PDF support with iCloud.

 

I've always found it ironic that you can walk into an Apple store, purchase a product, and be sent an electronic invoice which can't be stored in iCloud along with the rest of your documents.

 

Future-Of-iCloud, land on my green smoke now. PDF support required for one casualty.

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I am quite upset with Apple about the MoblieMe to iCloud transition.

 

It REQUIRED me to upgrade to Lion when on the PC people can still use XP and even Vista!!!  

 

Vista vs. Snow Leopard?

 

In doing so, I lost access to many important legacy Rosetta apps that were important to my workflow.  

 

Sucks.

 

I'm in a similar boat....have an original intel iMac that isn't compatible with lion/iCloud. Of course, my iP4s is and my iPad2 is....

 

One has to keep their eye on the bigger picture, as it were. Apple's engineers, money, resources are concentrated on the latest and greatest hardware and software. They do not allocate precious resources to legacy stuff! 

 

If my business were doing better, I would have an iPad3, an 11" MBA, a 27" iMac and a 2TB TimeCapsule. But something is amiss, alas, afoot! The recent recession/depression has not allowed me to keep pace with Apple.

 

But soon, hopefully, soon! :)

 

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Customers are in a lurch? As far as I can tell iWeb and iWork are both Universal apps that still run on Lion and ML so what lurch are they in? Are you defining lurch as not getting rich updates with a new paid version because that's not what lurch means? Are you defining lurch as Apple allowing other apps like MS Office, RapidWeaver and countless others to be used on a Macs because that's not what lurch means?

 

Hey SolipX...off topic but is AI aware that twice in the last two days, I've tried to edit my post and the panel just comes up blank? :)

 

Also...are they aware that reading the comments on the iPhone is just about impossible? 

 

Thanks and great job as the GM! :)

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Hey SolipX...off topic but is AI aware that twice in the last two days, I've tried to edit my post and the panel just comes up blank? 1smile.gif

Also...are they aware that reading the comments on the iPhone is just about impossible? 

Thanks and great job as the GM! 1smile.gif

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GM? Gorilla Monkey? Guazy Manatee?
Despite the amount of time I seem to spend here I have no formal association with the forum mods or the site admins. I'm just a poster who is also annoyed by the many broken aspects of the new forum that have been rampant for months.

Oops! Sorry I thought you were a GM! :)

 

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Yeah lurch means they didn't give any fair warning. Yet even after repeated warnings they still let you download your documents for awhile longer after the deadline.

 

Sure it would have been nice for iDisk to have been transitioned to iCloud but whatever. I am depending on my own infrastructure much more than Apple's now since I have it. Others may not have the resources to create their own cloud like I can so I can understand their frustration but iWeb, give me a break. That was lame from the first day and it is still lame. If you need an amateur website there are plenty of CMS based options available. as many posters have already pointed out.

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Hey SolipX...off topic but is AI aware that twice in the last two days, I've tried to edit my post and the panel just comes up blank? :)

 

Tip: The editor panel is broken sometimes but I have found an easy fix is to click on the source button and then click it again which effectively resets the editor so you can proceed. I helps anytime the editor is not functioning as expected. Just click the Source button! Not that it is any excuse for the software just a work around.

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Tip: The editor panel is broken sometimes but I have found an easy fix is to click on the source button and then click it again which effectively resets the editor so you can proceed. I helps anytime the editor is not functioning as expected. Just click the Source button! Not that it is any excuse for the software just a work around.

Thanks Bro! Will do! :)

 

PS. and now the emoticons aren't working! Ahhhh!

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Tip: The editor panel is broken sometimes but I have found an easy fix is to click on the source button and then click it again which effectively resets the editor so you can proceed. I helps anytime the editor is not functioning as expected. Just click the Source button! Not that it is any excuse for the software just a work around.

I've never encounteed this problem. it could be that I set my Preferences to use the BB Code Editor instead of the Rich Text [HTML] Editor.

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PS. and now the emoticons aren't working! Ahhhh!

That's been an issue from day one. I can understand, to a point, why it doesn't work with touchscreens but creating a link to an emoticon GIF image would only take a minute.


My work around is to use TextExpander to input various Emoji characters. I've been using this app for years to help me format my comments in a pleasant manner without spending time for each post doing it. It's why my hyperlinks, for example, are always indented and bulleted.


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The iPhone 3G is less than 2 yrs old? really? Last I checked, it was released in 2008, making it 4 years old. Are you lying to make a point, or just insanely misinformed? 
No, to both. You are evidently "insanely misinformed", as another on this forum has pointed out as well, and that alone renders the rest of your post moot.

The 3G was sold until June 2010 and is still covered by AppleCare for another healthy year, yet one of the primary features Apple marketed it with - data synchronization with all of Apple's products - is no longer available, and for no reason other than Apple chose not to support it. The only way to get the iPhone 3G talking to the rest of one's Apple family again is to upgrade an otherwise perfectly good phone with a year of AppleCare left on it. Really doesn't matter if it was Apple's entry level phone. The features it was purchased with should at least survive the end of the factory warranty period. I could care less if it could run another single iOS update, but it should at a minimum do everything it could do when originally purchased, at least until the phone is no longer supported under warranty by the manufacturer.
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Thanks Bro! Will do! :)

 

PS. and now the emoticons aren't working! Ahhhh!

There are all the emoicons available but again you need to know the html code for them and apply it in the source codedevil.gif

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There are all the emoicons available but again you need to know the html code for them and apply it in the source codedevil.gif

Bah, I like emoji better. Plus there're more of them and you can adjust their size. 👹

I wonder if Huddler can just drop their emotions and give us a panel for OS-level emoji.

I mean, yeah, I'm sure they can, but it'll be years before they get around to doing it, and that's only after years of enough of us requesting it…

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I moved my iWeb websites over to DV Host (http://www.dvhost.com), and it works just as easily. After changing my publishing settings, I continue to press the "Publish" button in iWeb. It took 10 minutes to change everything. The difference is that it now publishes to DV Host instead of MobileMe.
 
I think it's a good solution for us MobileMe "refugees" who want to continue using iWeb.
 
I hope iWeb will still be part of the next version of iLife, because to be honest I haven't found anything that's as simple to use. I tried RapidWeaver, Sandvox, etc, but didn't like any of them.

 

A problem with other hosts is that not all iWeb functionality is supported because some widgets depend on Apple only server code.

 

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Somehow I've not paid attention to this. What about the @me.com email accounts? Will they still work or are they migrating to @icloud.com?

@me.com email accounts stop working if you do not convert your machine (iPad, iPod, .. or Mac) to iCould.

So, if all your devices aren't compatible with iCloud, your me.com address will be discarded.

It is however possible to keep the email address and enable it again by logging in via www.me.com/move and using your email address (and related password) as apple id.

 

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No, to both. You are evidently "insanely misinformed", as another on this forum has pointed out as well, and that alone renders the rest of your post moot.
The 3G was sold until June 2010 and is still covered by AppleCare for another healthy year, yet one of the primary features Apple marketed it with - data synchronization with all of Apple's products - is no longer available, and for no reason other than Apple chose not to support it. The only way to get the iPhone 3G talking to the rest of one's Apple family again is to upgrade an otherwise perfectly good phone with a year of AppleCare left on it. Really doesn't matter if it was Apple's entry level phone. The features it was purchased with should at least survive the end of the factory warranty period. I could care less if it could run another single iOS update, but it should at a minimum do everything it could do when originally purchased, at least until the phone is no longer supported under warranty by the manufacturer.

 

I see, so now when we talk about how old a product is, we start the day it was taken off the shelves, not the day it was released. Awesome. The iPhone 3G was released in 2008 and is a 4 year old phone, no matter which way you want to cut it. It's ancient history as far as phones are concerned, and does not support iO5, nor the upcoming iOS6. Technically, it's a dinosaur. As for your example of your unemployed guy using this phone to distribute his resume using idrive, again, if the guy is too idiotic as to be unable to spend a few minutes moving his document to another one of the myriad cloud storage services, which are free, and which have iPhone apps, then he doesn't deserve to find a job. The dropbox app will do the exact same thing.  Apple has clearly moved away from a 'dumb' online storage solution, to one in which documents are transparently available and automatically synced through the devices and apps themselves. There are much better free solutions today than whatever you could do with a payed solution with idrive. Stop reaching so hard and grasping at straws pretending the loss of iDrive is a big deal. It doesnt fit into Apple's strategy anymore, so deal with it, and if the move bothers you so much, don't give Apple any of your business. As for the future, iCloud will be baked in to ML, where you can drag and drop whatever you want there. 

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Customers are in a lurch? As far as I can tell iWeb and iWork are both Universal apps that still run on Lion and ML so what lurch are they in? Are you defining lurch as not getting rich updates with a new paid version because that's not what lurch means? Are you defining lurch as Apple allowing other apps like MS Office, RapidWeaver and countless others to be used on a Macs because that's not what lurch means?

 

Lurch - Definition "to be abandoned in a difficult position without help" 

 

I don't know about you but I would rather not continue to use a software product that has been dropped by Apple because at some point they will inevitably drop all security updates and support for that product. Technology moves on and it's important to know that the software I'm using will move forward on regular basis. Maybe "lurch" is not the correct term but given the fact that there is no obvious upgrade path to another product many people will need to create their websites from scratch using another application, wasting both time and effort in the process.

 

As usual you are seeking to nit-pick a specific point. I was trying to make a general statement that Apple are too willing to drop software products and abandon those users.

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My gripe is with Galleries, mainly. I've been a fool by procrastinating to move to a different service, probably because I simply didn't think Apple wouldn't come out with an alternative before closing down MM. I did look at:

Taste varies / YMMV and all that, which is good, but there simply is no alternative to Galleries, IM(NS)HO. Galleries gave you the option to download the original RAW files as well. There's no photo service out there that I know of; you'd have to share your jpg's in one place and use a file syncing tool at some other site for your raw files. Then sending two links to clients or whatever.

Currently trying out Zenfolio, which is 'ok' - so far. Perhaps I'll get the $ 25 after the 14 day trial and upgrade for more options. Please let me remove the 'order prints' stuff.

I also read the 100+ page thread:
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3102548?start=0&tstart=0
which kinda 'came up empty'.

Lastly I thought I'd create my own website, have port 80 open on my router and point it to my MacMini that sits under my TV. That way I'm only uploading whatever people are accessing, and I don't have to sync huge amounts of photo's to some obscure Galleries alternative. Turned out that my 1Mbps ADSL uplink isn't up to the task when several people are trying to access my home gallery after I sent them a link. So I need to sent everyone a link at intervals - not good. For the life of me, why are they killing MM Galleries before releasing PhotoStream? Not that PS would be 'The Perfect MMG replacement' but why kill something without an alternative? They've killed software before, but as far as I recall they simply came out with something different or better.

Really, no good alternative out there? In the words of Jeremy Clarkson, "how hard can it be?"

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Just shows that not everything Apple makes sticks. Still, they tried real hard

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My gripe is with Galleries, mainly. I've been a fool by procrastinating to move to a different service, probably because I simply didn't think Apple wouldn't come out with an alternative before closing down MM. ]
Not sure if you are aware, butMountain Lion will enable photo sharing when it comes out this month. It will allow you to share via a number of methods (including via webpages) anything in your PhotoStream, and will presumably sport any file format you have.

http://www.apple.com/ios/ios6/#photostreams

IOS 6 will add this functionality to the iDevices.

Like you, I am frustrated Apple didn't overlap these services. It means at least a few weeks downtime, and another couple of months before you are back to where you were with Gallery, hopefully. And PhotoStream is a much better system than Gallery ever was, so this will all be for the better, but it was just handled miserably. Apple puts such a premium on customer service, yet this time they seem to have really botched it. I have to wonder if this was the plan, or if Steve were still around he'd be screaming at the transition team about how eh f***ed up again ...

I can only hope Apple has an iDisk solution replacement up it's sleeve as well. Web hosting is what it is, Apple doesn't necessarily need to be in the picture on that one, particularly if they are not going to support web construction software. On the other hand, they may have something planned with their cozying up to FaceBook in terms of so-called "vanity website" integration with photo sharing.

It's so funny, on the one hand Apple makes a big deal about allowing iWeb to incorporate Google ads and the like, and then the next moment just drops the ball like a hot potato. Then there's Ping which was just a massive mistake, and likely a hot-headed response from Steve Jobs after not being able to make a deal with Facebook on his terms.
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I really don't understand what your talking about. 
iWeb creates standards based websites just like any other website creation application does. Just load your "rendered" website into any other creation / editor app you want.
Am I missing something?

edit: ...and that said; I find (for my needs) iWeb to be the most useful and simple web content creation app around. Why stop using it just because Apple's online hosting service is gone? (I never used that anyway)

I 100% agree with everything you say. It puzzles me that many, apparently long time Mac users, insist on repeating the untrue notion that iWeb is somehow tied to using MobileMe. I have had up to 50 web sites running on regular hosting servers using the excellent built in FTP which is a joy to use since it is smart enough to only upload the files that have changed. I use iWebSites to change default accounts for iWeb BTW.
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Lurch - Definition "to be abandoned in a difficult position without help" 

I don't know about you but I would rather not continue to use a software product that has been dropped by Apple because at some point they will inevitably drop all security updates and support for that product. Technology moves on and it's important to know that the software I'm using will move forward on regular basis. Maybe "lurch" is not the correct term but given the fact that there is no obvious upgrade path to another product many people will need to create their websites from scratch using another application, wasting both time and effort in the process.

As usual you are seeking to nit-pick a specific point. I was trying to make a general statement that Apple are too willing to drop software products and abandon those users.

A lurch is defined as being abrupt. There is nothing abrupt, sudden or unexpected about this transition except that those that have had over a year to make the transition now have more time to do so.

Your idea that Apple (or any company) should support their cloud services indefinitely is absurd. Technology evolves and you've had plenty of time to prepare. Whether the new solutions by Apple fit your needs or not is irrelevant to the fact that you've had plenty of time to plan for this date.

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I can only hope Apple has an iDisk solution replacement up it's sleeve as well.

It doesn't look good on this front. Not that Apple has ever had a solid option or understanding here but it would be nice to have a system that as seamless as Dropbox that was part of the iOS/Mac OS system. From my PoV this seems like a great way to get people to buy more storage space since their default 5GB might be not be enough if they are sharing files with other users securely.


PS: From what i gather from devs iCloud integration is a huge PITA. Even now as Apple does seem committed to the cloud they still seem like they are coming at it from the wrong direction. They really need to take a look at Google and MS et al. to get a better understanding of what will satisfy users.

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Just shows that not everything Apple makes sticks. Still, they tried real hard

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I was one of the very first users of .mac when it came out and never had an issue paying the $99 for it since we heavily used the address, and calendar sync features. This was the only way my family could keep straight what everyone was doing. I also back up various things on iDisk and allow others to share files with me. I have to say this shut down is going to force me to upgrade all my equipment from apple before I was really ready to do so. Only my Ipad is compatable now of our Desk top mac or laptop are. So it mean new computers, upgrade memory and software and new iPhones.

 

I never though Apple would obsolete me, but they have and more recently this seems to be apple trend of using software features to force people to update hardware. Like like the M$ model of doing business.

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I never though Apple would obsolete me, but they have and more recently this seems to be apple trend of using software features to force people to update hardware. Like like the M$ model of doing business.

Now I have to consider replacing an old iMac that is not Lion capable but is still a perfectly good computer even though it cannot connect to iCloud because it is only running SL. I can no longer use back to my Mac on that machine which I occasionally did but not very often. Just a little sad to lose it from my list of devices.

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What in the world could have "compatible" with MobileMe that is not "compatible" with iCloud? Lost me BIG time.

I believe he means the availability of iDisk.  iCloud offers no such service.

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I think this is a huge mistake and wish Apple would reconsider doing away with web hosting (with iWeb publishing) and the galleries. I'm happy to be rid of iDisk; much prefer Dropbox anyway. A number of others seem to feel the same way:

 

https://discussions.apple.com/message/15355134?searchText=Will%20Apple%20continue%20iWeb%20support#15355134

 

Wish they would "just listen" because people like me liked the way it "just worked" especially for publishing galleries from Aperture etc.

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iDisk allows you to do any file. iCloud lets you do whatever files are compatible with whatever applications have cloud document syncing.

But the iDisk concept is not part of iCloud, so that's an odd comparison. FWIW, not having iDisk any longer "forced" me to check out DropBox and I so glad I did! Much better execution and concept in the area of file sharing IMO.

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I think this is a huge mistake and wish Apple would reconsider doing away with web hosting (with iWeb publishing) and the galleries. I'm happy to be rid of iDisk; much prefer Dropbox anyway. A number of others seem to feel the same way:

https://discussions.apple.com/message/15355134?searchText=Will%20Apple%20continue%20iWeb%20support#15355134

Wish they would "just listen" because people like me liked the way it "just worked" especially for publishing galleries from Aperture etc.

I've been wishing for Apple to reconsider their decision as well for the past year. But nope, they pulled the plug last Sunday and we're left without iDisk & Galleries, amongst others. The thread at Apple still continues, 106 pages long. Do like the new features that are coming, like Photo Stream, but it cannot replace Galleries for me. Still looking and trying out SmugMug & Zenfolio
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I 100% agree with everything you say. It puzzles me that many, apparently long time Mac users, insist on repeating the untrue notion that iWeb is somehow tied to using MobileMe. I have had up to 50 web sites running on regular hosting servers using the excellent built in FTP which is a joy to use since it is smart enough to only upload the files that have changed. I use iWebSites to change default accounts for iWeb BTW.

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Originally Posted by Mac_128 View Post

Not sure if you are aware, butMountain Lion will enable photo sharing when it comes out this month. It will allow you to share via a number of methods (including via webpages) anything in your PhotoStream, and will presumably sport any file format you have.
http://www.apple.com/ios/ios6/#photostreams
IOS 6 will add this functionality to the iDevices.
Like you, I am frustrated Apple didn't overlap these services. It means at least a few weeks downtime, and another couple of months before you are back to where you were with Gallery, hopefully. And PhotoStream is a much better system than Gallery ever was, so this will all be for the better, but it was just handled miserably. Apple puts such a premium on customer service, yet this time they seem to have really botched it. I have to wonder if this was the plan, or if Steve were still around he'd be screaming at the transition team about how eh f***ed up again ...
I can only hope Apple has an iDisk solution replacement up it's sleeve as well. Web hosting is what it is, Apple doesn't necessarily need to be in the picture on that one, particularly if they are not going to support web construction software. On the other hand, they may have something planned with their cozying up to FaceBook in terms of so-called "vanity website" integration with photo sharing.
It's so funny, on the one hand Apple makes a big deal about allowing iWeb to incorporate Google ads and the like, and then the next moment just drops the ball like a hot potato. Then there's Ping which was just a massive mistake, and likely a hot-headed response from Steve Jobs after not being able to make a deal with Facebook on his terms.

Personally I think Photo Stream won't be better than Galleries:

  • Can't share the original raw files accompanying the jpg,
  • iPhoto for iOS discards the sorting order. No worries if you simply have your photo's sorted by date/name or whatever, but the iOS iPhoto software screws it up. Manually sorting every photo on an iPad is no fun; I'd rather create the whole Journal Photo Sharing Thing on my Mac
  • PS has some humongous long URL; Galleries used to be http://gallery.me.com/username/6digit for the homepage
  • There's no iOS app to have all your friends Galleries accessible in one place; you need to keep all your friends' Galleries homepage bookmarked

and so on and so forth...
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