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Apple's supply chain is reportedly gearing up to ship components for the company's next-generation iMac this month, with a product launch expected in October.

Unnamed sources in Apple's upstream supply chain indicated to DigiTimes that mass production of the new all-in-one PC is expected to begin this month. Supply chain chatter also indicated that Apple wishes to expand high-resolution Retina displays to its entire Mac lineup, and that the next iMac has a "high chance of featuring a Retina Display."

The main obstacle for a Retina display in the next iMac is cost: Apple's high-resolution screens are more expensive than the "Full HD" panels that Windows PC makers have been pushing for their own products.

But the cost of Retina displays could also be to Apple's advantage in competing with cheaper Windows PCs that carry lower margins. Tuesday's report indicated that Apple is pushing for quick adoption of Retina displays in all of its Mac products, as the company is "hoping to surpass its competitors in terms of screen resolution."

The report also indicated that a newly designed iMac could also arrive in 2013 along with a redesigned Mac Pro. In response to criticism, Apple Chief Executive Tim Cook confirmed last month that the company is planning to update its Mac Pro desktop with a new, "really great" model next year.

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Apple's iMac is the most popular all-in-one computer in the world, with estimated sales of 1.22 million units in the first quarter of this year. The iMac lineup, available in screen sizes of 21.5 and 27 inches, was last updated in May of 2011 with quad-core Sandy Bridge processors and high-speed Thunderbolt ports.

Various rumors throughout 2012 have suggested the next iMacs will feature high-resolution Retina displays. However, one recent report suggested Apple's 2012 iMac refresh won't feature a Retina display, and that the new screen will instead debut in 2013 when costs are more reasonable.
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I likes my iMac, I want a 60" Apple TV.

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That would be amazing if it did have a Retina display. I would buy one for sure.

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Sorry for the fuzzy memory. I seem to remember somebody talking about the iMac NOT getting the Retina display due to the sheer volume of pixels.   I think the argument was that the Thunderbolt port can't support that much information.  And since iMacs are often used as target displays for laptops...    Or something along that line.   

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One of the few times I'd agree with this level of emphasis.

 

 

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Apple's supply chain is reportedly gearing up to ship components for the company's next-generation iMac this month, with a product launch expected in October.
The report also indicated that a newly designed iMac could also arrive in 2013 along with a redesigned Mac Pro.

 

In other news, the next iPad with IGZO display is expected to be released at Apple's September event. It could also arrive in early 2013. Or mid 2013...

 

And here everything else was pointing towards a July introduction.

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Sorry for the fuzzy memory. I seem to remember somebody talking about the iMac NOT getting the Retina display due to the sheer volume of pixels.   I think the argument was that the Thunderbolt port can't support that much information.  And since iMacs are often used as target displays for laptops...    Or something along that line.   

 

Frankly I hope this isn't the case regarding Thunderbolt - we don't need Thunderbolt v2 before the Thunderbolt v1.0 is even widely used.

 

I'd guess the display panels are just alot more expensive.  We'll see next year.  I'm surprised that it won't roll out till October though...I was really expecting the refresh with Mountain Lion launch this month.

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I hope that Apple does offer the next iMac with a 27" Retina display. I've been waiting a while for a new Mac (I was holding out for an truly updated Mac Pro), but have decided the iMac will suffice. I'd hate to be tempted to hold off until 2013 for a Retina 27" iMac. So my advice to Apple; Push! Stretch! Push the envelope and be truly ahead of the pack!

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I likes my iMac, I want a 60" Apple TV.

Very pleased with my 27" Core i7 :)  Would buy another anytime.

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They may do a 24" retina, instead of 27".  With ability to drive 2 external 24" retina displays.  I could go for that.

 

Somehow, I don't think Retina iMac will happen in October.  They need to do 13" MBP Retina before doing the retina iMac.

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Somehow, I don't think Retina iMac will happen in October.  They need to do 13" MBP Retina before doing the retina iMac.

Why? Not that I don't agree, but not for that reason.

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They need to do 13" MBP Retina before doing the retina iMac.

 

The day they release a Retina MBA is the day my bank account trembles with fear...

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Sorry for the fuzzy memory. I seem to remember somebody talking about the iMac NOT getting the Retina display due to the sheer volume of pixels.   I think the argument was that the Thunderbolt port can't support that much information.  And since iMacs are often used as target displays for laptops...    Or something along that line.   

Sure it can - but not using copper, it needs the fiber based implementation*

And - lo and behold - the Apple gear with TB ports are optical ready ... http://www.tuaw.com/2012/03/13/optical-cables-for-thunderbolt-coming-in-2012/

But thats irrelevant. The iMac is an All-in-one device. The display is not connected by a TB port, it is wired into the mobo. For everyone else ... wait for the upgrade to fibre TB cable later this year.

 

* I am trying to find the link that showed the speed of the fibre vs copper TB, but can now only find info suggesting that fibre will allow greater cable runs.


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the next generation iMac will have a retina display, proprietary solid state storage, soldered ram, and no optical drive, and be super thin. also just like the MacBook Pro, they will keep the old ones around for the weak.
 

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Re-designed iMac next year would be great for me, my Apple care runs out on my 2010 iMac in November 2013 so an October release would certainly suit me!

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"Retina Display" is just a marketing gimmick to justify the premium price. I doubt most people would even notice the difference. 

 

Have you ever seen a Retina Display from Apple? Compared it to the previous gen screen? The display on my iPad 3 is worlds better than my 21.5" iMac. It's immediately noticeable on switching between the two.

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Sorry for the fuzzy memory. I seem to remember somebody talking about the iMac NOT getting the Retina display due to the sheer volume of pixels.   I think the argument was that the Thunderbolt port can't support that much information.  And since iMacs are often used as target displays for laptops...    Or something along that line.   

 

I know it's a lot of pixels, but the iMac has the space for a discrete GPU or two.

Same goes for a thunderbolt cinema display... in fact I'm surprised that those dedicated displays aren't equipped with serious GPUs already... they cost so much...

 

And you say thunderbolt (maybe) can't support that much info?  Umm... it's a PCIe bus... can that really be a bottleneck already?  You may be right, for all I know, but I would be very surprised.  I'm itching to crunch some numbers on it, but I'm scarce on idle time...

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Have you ever seen a Retina Display from Apple? Compared it to the previous gen screen? The display on my iPad 3 is worlds better than my 21.5" iMac. It's immediately noticeable on switching between the two.

Yeah, I feel like you can look at the rMBP screen and think it's no big deal, like, "Huh?  What's the buzz all about?" but... then you go back to your regular pro or MBA and THAT'S when you start seeing what you're missing.

 

My MBA hasn't been seeing much use since I got the new iPad, but I grabbed it last night and had this exact experience.  Everything looks crudgy now, but I used to think it was great; I just never really knew any better.

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the next generation iMac will have a retina display, proprietary solid state storage, soldered ram, and no optical drive, and be super thin. also just like the MacBook Pro, they will keep the old ones around for the weak.
 

 

While a super-thin, slick-looking iMac would certainly look cool, I personally don't see the need to make the thing any thinner than it already is. The heat the thing generates has to go somewhere and cramming things into an even tighter space certainly won't help things if my 2011 Core i7 MBP is any indication.

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That would be amazing if it did have a Retina display. I would buy one for sure.

 

I can believe that one model might, just as one notebook did, as a test run. The high end 27 inch is my thought. It will also have the same lower glass to reduce glare as the Retina MBP

 

What I believe will happen for all models is that they will all be at least 8 GB of ram.  I think it is possible that that 27 inch model will also go no ODD and/or SSD only options. They might even do both. Have a choice of basically the same 27 inch with Retina and the standard SSD+HDD etc as now and a slimmer. Which is actually what I would take if the price is right cause I rarely have any data on my iMac anyway since I carry my scratch between offices on hard drives. 

 

I don't think that they will totally remove the chin but I could see them rearranging so that the ports are actually on the chin not the back of it (or on the side of the machine). That way they are more accessible. Especially in a slimmer model that would have the ram soldered in so they don't need the tray. I hope they revamp the speakers to make them a bit more powerful, same with the camera and mic. I think it would be awesome if at least for a slimmer model, they made the hinge so that it comes off and there's a VESA adapter left before for wall mounting. 

 

Something similar could happen with the Cinema Displays which would likely to Retina as well as perhaps larger sizes that have HDMI inputs. The right combo of improved image etc would be that Apple "real" TV that folks keep saying is in the works. 

 

And yes despite it being Digitimes I can believe that this might be an Oct launch as things like the iMac, Mini and a better tv capable display would be the things that might appeal during holiday shopping

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It was the bust of times, it was the waste of times... kind of like this thread.

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While a super-thin, slick-looking iMac would certainly look cool, I personally don't see the need to make the thing any thinner than it already is. The heat the thing generates has to go somewhere and cramming things into an even tighter space certainly won't help things if my 2011 Core i7 MBP is any indication.

I think that's a red herring. Heat dissipation will depend on area. The total surface area of a 1" thick laptop is not that much different than a 3/4" thick laptop.

Now, if the thicker laptop allows you to add a fan, that would be a different story. In the end, I think it's a fair tradeoff - and Apple apparently does, too. I picked up the rMBP at the Apple Store and it's absolutely amazing. I can't wait to get one.

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Yeah, I feel like you can look at the rMBP screen and think it's no big deal, like, "Huh?  What's the buzz all about?" but... then you go back to your regular pro or MBA and THAT'S when you start seeing what you're missing.

My MBA hasn't been seeing much use since I got the new iPad, but I grabbed it last night and had this exact experience.  Everything looks crudgy now, but I used to think it was great; I just never really knew any better.

I think that overstates the case slightly. I picked up a rMBP in the Apple store and the difference in screen appearance was instantly noticeable. Granted, it didn't clobber me over the head, but I could immediately see that it was far nicer than my existing MBP.
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Sorry for the fuzzy memory. I seem to remember somebody talking about the iMac NOT getting the Retina display due to the sheer volume of pixels.   I think the argument was that the Thunderbolt port can't support that much information.  And since iMacs are often used as target displays for laptops...    Or something along that line.   

 

That's because folks are defining Retina as 'double the highest res possible on the machine' but if you look at Apple's math you only need like 12% more pixels for a 27 inch iMac to be Retina. The 21 inch was around 15-17% as I recall. And the graphics cards etc might be able to handle that

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They need to do 13" MBP Retina before doing the retina iMac.

 

Why? Because you want a Retina laptop and are too cheap to buy the current one. 

 

The folks that buy a 13 inch notebook aren't likely to do anything that actually needs that kind of power and thus they won't speed for that kind of power. Same with the 21 inch iMac users. 

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I'd rather see a redesigned iMac with an anti-glare screen.

 

+ 1. Glossy screen is a deal breaker for me.

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I know it's a lot of pixels, but the iMac has the space for a discrete GPU or two.

 

Especially if they go slimmer and yank out the ODD and solder everything to the board. 

 

And I can see them doing this with a high end 27 inch PRO iMac. Many of us are already using iMacs connected to our studio render farm rather than Pro Towers (although one of our offices is running that farm off a handful of Pros). We'd be thrilled with a sharp screen, reduced glare model with more RAM, double GPU etc. We never burn anything off our own machines so yanking that ODD is not an issue for us. On the very very rare occasion we do need to burn something we could hook a stand alone to it. Our only wish on the ODD drive front is for someone to come out with a thunderbolt Blu-ray burner since we typically burn data disks anyway (when we burn) and a zippy transfer to a high speed high capacity drive would be nice. 

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Still don't understand the infatuation with uber thinness for an AIO desktop that is already reasonably thin - unless they change the stand design, the base footprint limits how far you can move it back to the wall.   Thinner laptops make a lot of sense, but why dump drives and increase cooling problems and force proprietary and difficult to upgrade RAM/SSDs to make a very thin desktop. What do you gain?  Not a functional move.   

 

Also doubt the infatuation with a big screen retinal display will translate into an increase of sales if the SSD plus retina pushes iMacs into $3000 plus territory.   But in the next couple years prices will come down.   They need to keep a more affordable iMac around till then.   I was able to compare the retina MBP with the current 27 inch iMac at the apple store.  The difference didn't exactly knock my socks off.   Not on the standard apple store graphics running on both, and definitely not in a couple of websites, which aren't optimized, so photos looked better on the iMac.  You have to blow up the text to see any difference.

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I think that's a red herring. Heat dissipation will depend on area. The total surface area of a 1" thick laptop is not that much different than a 3/4" thick laptop.
Now, if the thicker laptop allows you to add a fan, that would be a different story. In the end, I think it's a fair tradeoff - and Apple apparently does, too. I picked up the rMBP at the Apple Store and it's absolutely amazing. I can't wait to get one.
I think that overstates the case slightly. I picked up a rMBP in the Apple store and the difference in screen appearance was instantly noticeable. Granted, it didn't clobber me over the head, but I could immediately see that it was far nicer than my existing MBP.

 

I picked up a fully loaded 27" iMac last June and the thing got crazy hot when crunching video. All I was saying is making an iMac "super-thin" would not help the situation. Make a laptop super-thin I understand, but does the iMac really need to be any thinner? I was not, however, making any commentary about the merits of a retina display on a MBP/MBA/iMAC or otherwise (which I'm all for BTW).

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Still don't understand the infatuation with uber thinness for an AIO desktop that is already reasonably thin - unless they change the stand design, the base footprint limits how far you can move it back to the wall.   Thinner laptops make a lot of sense, but why dump drives and increase cooling problems and force proprietary and difficult to upgrade RAM/SSDs to make a very thin desktop. What do you gain?  Not a functional move.   

 

Agree completely. That's the point I was trying to make in my earlier post.

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 I'm surprised that it won't roll out till October though...I was really expecting the refresh with Mountain Lion launch this month.

I'm surprised about the October release date as well. Since the first aluminum iMacs (2007) will be deprecated due to no 64 bit kernel there is going to be some additional demand for new iMacs as soon as ML is released.

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Still don't understand the infatuation with uber thinness for an AIO desktop that is already reasonably thin - unless they change the stand design, the base footprint limits how far you can move it back to the wall.   Thinner laptops make a lot of sense, but why dump drives and increase cooling problems and force proprietary and difficult to upgrade RAM/SSDs to make a very thin desktop. What do you gain?  Not a functional move.   

But... how else can they reduce the foot print without reducing the mass of the iMac?

 

Hehe... I'm now imagining a couple through holes on the pedestal and provided hardware so you can bolt your iMac's directly to your desk.  Footprint, BEGONE!

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But... how else can they reduce the foot print without reducing the mass of the iMac?

 

Hehe... I'm now imagining a couple through holes on the pedestal and provided hardware so you can bolt your iMac's directly to your desk.  Footprint, BEGONE!

Ha ha! My Mac Pro and my 30" Cinema are both bolted to my desk. When I first got it I was a bit paranoid about someone walking off with my $10K machine so I designed some plastic covered metal brackets that bolt from under the desk as to not require the drilling of any holes in the the equipment. There are housekeeping crews and sometimes maintenance workers coming through the office on the weekends or after hours so I didn't want to take any chances.

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Why? Because you want a Retina laptop and are too cheap to buy the current one. 

 

The folks that buy a 13 inch notebook aren't likely to do anything that actually needs that kind of power and thus they won't speed for that kind of power. Same with the 21 inch iMac users. 

Just received my 15" high-end Retina last week.  So, "who you callin' too cheap, suckah'?"

 

Apple "needs" to do 13" Retina because the 13" low-end Pro is their most popular (as in highest volume seller) notebook.  When they introduce the 13" Retina, demand will go through the roof.  By comparison, they don't (and will not) sell that many iMacs.  Apple likes to make high volume selling products.

 

"The folks that buy a 13 inch notebook" will buy the 13" Retina for the gorgeous display, not for the "power" (not sure what you meant by that).

 

By the way, rudeness is unbecoming.  Just tells everyone that you are a classless boor.  Choose words carefully when making your points.  It is certainly possible to do that.

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While a super-thin, slick-looking iMac would certainly look cool, I personally don't see the need to make the thing any thinner than it already is. The heat the thing generates has to go somewhere and cramming things into an even tighter space certainly won't help things if my 2011 Core i7 MBP is any indication.

I guess this is as good a place as any for technology to plateau. Does everyone else agree to give up on making new things?

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Various rumors throughout 2012 have suggested the next iMacs will feature high-resolution Retina displays. However, one recent report suggested Apple's 2012 iMac refresh won't feature a Retina display, and that the new screen will instead debut in 2013 when costs are more reasonable.

High-res iMacs implies high-res Cinema displays too, which would require Displayport 1.2 to run and that's coming in 2013 with Redwood Ridge and only pass-through (no chaining). Apple could get an exclusive on the new Thunderbolt controller of course.

There are high-res panels coming:

http://www.digitalversus.com/tv-television/sharp-aquos-lc-60le636e-p12284/sharp-mass-producing-32-quad-hd-4k-lcd-panel-n24109.html

but some are very expensive:

http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/05/viewsonic-vp3280-led-4k-monitor-hands-on/

"ViewSonic reps say the VP3280, which will be marketed towards film studios, broadcasters, photographers and any other professionals in need of a compact 4K display, could ship by the end of the year, costing 'about the price of a car'."

They don't say what kind of car, it could be some beat-up old used $500 motor but I suspect they mean a few thousand dollars.

I think Apple is just waiting until Mountain Lion is ready as the desktop release cycle falls into this schedule. Mountain Lion is rumored to arrive July 19th:

http://www.t-gaap.com/2012/6/18/mountain-lion-release-date-july-19-2012

The vacation blackout is July 22nd-29th so new OS, iMac and Mini and Digitimes wrong again. The new iPhone and iOS 6 will arrive in the Fall so I don't see why they'd release desktops at the same time.
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I guess this is as good a place as any for technology to plateau. Does everyone else agree to give up on making new things?

 

Wow, really? Way to twist my words around. Here let me spell it out for you. Don't make it super-thin just for the sake of making it super-thin, especially if it creates additional thermal problems. Judging from my experience with the current iMac and MBP, both of which get pretty hot when pushed (even by something like Aperture), they need to work on heat dissipation a bit more before trying to make the thing super-thin. I'm all for the advancement of technology and making new things, but my comments about not making the iMac super-thin in no way suggested that tech should stagnate or plateau. Read the 1st paragraph of post #29 for another explanation.

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The day they release a Retina MBA is the day my bank account trembles with fear...

 

Your bank account can probably rest easy for a while. Current form MBAs are not going to have retina screens until screens get a lot more energy efficient, and/or battery capacity (energy density) improves a lot. 

 

But nothing stopping MBAs being upgraded now to an IPS screen (at the same resolution, 1440 x 900). Hint, hint, Apple. :)

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That's because folks are defining Retina as 'double the highest res possible on the machine' but if you look at Apple's math you only need like 12% more pixels for a 27 inch iMac to be Retina. The 21 inch was around 15-17% as I recall. And the graphics cards etc might be able to handle that

This statement doesn't fit with my reasoning. Here are some so called retina resolutions:

 

iPhone 4 - 326 pixels/inch

New iPad - 264 pixels/inch

rMBP - 220 pixels/inch

 

The current iMac 27" has a native resolution of 109 pixels/inch. My eyesight isn't very good anymore but I can easily see the pixel matrix. Doubling it would reach 218 which is close to the retina MBP. Given that the viewing distance is normally a little more with the iMac, I think the stamp of retina would require something close to 200 pixels/inch. That's an 83% increase, resulting in a 336% increase in total pixels that the graphics card and thunderbolt connection would have to pump.

 

Personally, I hope they double the pixels and increase the screen size to 30 inches! 5120 x 2880 pixels at a resolution of 196 px/inch.

 

I think the whole move to Thunderbolt is part of the retina plan at Apple which means they've been scheming this several years in advance. Steve Jobs had his finger in this.

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I guess this is as good a place as any for technology to plateau. Does everyone else agree to give up on making new things?

I think you misunderstood his post.  He's not saying for tech not to advance, he's just saying the dimensions on a desktop doesn't need to be thinner.  Width and height matter, not depth. 

 

Can you tell us why and how a thinner desktop (and I'm not referring to the MacPro) would be advantageous? 

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