Apple's 'iPad mini' rumored with 7.85" IGZO display for $250-$300 - Page 3

I really think that this will be a "iPod Deluxe" That is why it will be released in the fall (traditional ipod update and back to school timeframe) and the reason the iphone will only have a 4 inch screen. The 7.85 screen makes it a good choice for that middle ground between the 4 inch iphone and the ipad. But that is my guess and I am sticking to it. :-)

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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil 


Later, skater.

Probably bad form to quote someone's post and then as a Moderator to delete it. It breaks the forum software if a user clicks on the icon that points back to the original post.

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Originally Posted by SolipsismX 


In reference to using a UI for a 10" tablet on a display with half the way area. Note that Apple first made the iPhone and iPod Touch with a 3.5" display and no sandpaper is needed for that because the UI is designed for the display and input method.
I don't recall Jobs ever saying it would never happen but it certainly won't happen without making the primary I/O ideal for the user. And just because the 10" is an ideal size doesn't mean that you can't have other sizes that fill a somewhat less ideal market segment once you near saturating the ideal market segment. They did with the iPod in size/capabilities, and the Mac and iPhone with price points.

I agree with you for a change lol.

I don't remember getting any sandpaper in the box with my iPhone and that only has a 3.5" screen. How have we all managed to use it with our fingers for the past 5 years. Must be magic.

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Originally Posted by SolipsismX 


You might to cool it with such comments directed at a poster.

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Originally Posted by pytho 

 

Didn't Jobs say you would need sandpaper? will these ship with sandpaper for your fingers or will that cost extra?Apple was very vocal about the current size of ipad being optimal and a smaller one wasn't going to happen. I think this is just another rumour that won't pan out.

Yup. He also asked an Apple engineer once what tablets were good for “besides surfing the web in the bathroom.”

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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil 


I never touched it; our spam filter caught it before it ever showed up because he's a dupe account.

Looks like I must have a duplicate account as well since you apparently think it is clever to always change my user name whenever you quote me. Too clever by half.

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Originally Posted by mtmw1863 

I really think that this will be a "iPod Deluxe" That is why it will be released in the fall (traditional ipod update and back to school timeframe) and the reason the iphone will only have a 4 inch screen. The 7.85 screen makes it a good choice for that middle ground between the 4 inch iphone and the ipad. But that is my guess and I am sticking to it. :-)

I've said this before but I don't think they will call it either the iPad Mini or the iPod Something. I think it will have a new name such as the iPlay to emphasise the fact that it's a new device.

Apple seems to be consolidating it's product lines at the moment, so I think they will scrap the iPod Classic and drop the "Touch" name so we end up with "the new iPod".

That just leaves the iPod Nano and iPod Shuffle as sub-brands. I think they may seek to merge those two brands into the iWatch. Yeah I know it doesn't begin with a P.

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Originally Posted by Andysol 

1- How do you explain apps for my iPhone and iPod touch that I use and work just fine?

And how many iPad apps do you run on your iPhone and iPod touch?

I'm getting a Nexus 7 and I'm an Apple hardware fan boi. Reason? Price, Size, Portability.

I dropped Apple's iCloud in favor of a mix of Dropbox and Google Drive. I use Gmail, Docs, Maps, YouTube, Finance, News, Calendar and dare I admit it - G+, so I guess I'll get a lot of use out of the 7" blighter at not much out-lay. £299 would kill it for me, so maybe this time I'll Think Different.

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Originally Posted by thataveragejoe 

 

Odds are it would just be 1024x768 for obvious compatibility. PPI varies based on distance to face. 

No, PPI has absolutely (!!!) nothing to do with distance to face. The human eye's capability to distinguish details is relative to distance, PPI is not. PPI is short for pixel per inch; not inches from your eye; inches on the screen panel.

PPI is constant - no matter how far you hold your gadget from your eye.

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Originally Posted by markbriton 

You have inferred all of this, not me. I just copied and pasted the quote because it's of interest to the discussion. My earlier comment speculated that Apple 'might' release a smaller device, but I think it would be more of a consumption device. The fact is nobody here, including your good self, knows what Apple will or won't release, but it's fun to speculate and hear what others think. Fun until people start getting irate at least.

Fair enough.

But I would point out that in posting the quote as you did without any other comment on your position on the quote, it is also fair to assume that you agreed with the quote. (Why would someone post a statement supporting a position they didn't agree with, without commenting on the statement itself?) It was your inferred/assumed agreement with the quote to which I was responding.

In any event, regardless of your personal stance on the quote itself, my comments are still valid in that many people like to point to that one quote as the end-all-and-be-all of the discussion on whether or not there is a viable market for a 7" tablet.

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Originally Posted by markbriton 

Steve Jobs quote, October 2010:
If you take an iPad and hold it upright in portrait view and draw an imaginary horizontal line halfway down the screen, the screens on these 7-inch tablets are a bit smaller than the bottom half of the ipad’s display. This size isn’t sufficient to create great tablet apps in our opinion. While one could increase the resolution of the display to make up for some of the difference, it is meaningless unless your tablet also includes sandpaper, so that the user can sand down their fingers to around one quarter of their present size.
Apple has done extensive user testing on touch interfaces over many years and we really understand this stuff. There are clear limits of how close you can physically place elements on a touchscreen before users cannot reliably tap, flick, or pinch them. This is one of the key reasons we think the 10-inch screen size is the minimum size required to create great tablet apps… The 7-inch tablets are tweeners. Too big to compete with a smartphone and too small to compete with an iPad.
These are among the reasons we think the current crop of 7-inch tablets are going to be DOA. Dead On Arrival. Their manufacturers will learn the painful lesson that their tablets are too small and increase the size next year, thereby abandoning both customers and developers who jumped on the 7-inch bandwagon with an orphaned product.

Will people PLEASE stop quoting head-fake marketing statements from a person no longer with the company as if they're written on stone tablets (or iPads)?

Jeez.

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Originally Posted by johnnielse 

 

No, PPI has absolutely (!!!) nothing to do with distance to face. The human eye's capability to distinguish details is relative to distance, PPI is not. PPI is short for pixel per inch; not inches from your eye; inches on the screen panel.

 

PPI is constant - no matter how far you hold your gadget from your eye.

I think the poster was simply implying that a lower pixel density can be considered Retina if the device is normally used at a greater distance from the viewer's eyes.

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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil 


That's Mountain Lion autocorrect being a complete idiot. I've no qualm against you.
You share plenty of IPs, though. ;|

So why does it not correct other misspelled user names, just mine?

I have a lot of IPs not user names.

@Wiggin

I'd mentioned the quote in my first post, then I looked it up out of interest afterwards, then thought I may as well copy and paste it as a comment. I think it's interesting that Jobs said that their research suggested that 'tablet apps' need a bigger screen. I think there may be a market for a smaller tablet, but (as I said in my post) at this point in time the sales figures suggest otherwise and if Apple do release such a product I think it will be for consumption and may not be given the iPad name. I do think your points are entirely valid, just didn't like the tone. The examples where Jobs has gone back on statements made in the past for example. Markets change and there was no Kindle Fire or Nexus 7 when Jobs made his comment. As I said, I assume Apple is watching this smaller tablet category closely. What do you think, if this rumour is true, do you think it would be an iPad mini, a big iPod Touch, an entirely new device perhaps an Apple TV remote or an iTunes Pad, or something different?

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Originally Posted by charlituna 

 

That is the last reason why Apple would be doing it. They don't care what the other boys do. If they don't like something (like say Blu-ray in a computer) for whatever reason, they won't do it no matter how many other folks do it and how well it sells for them. 

 

They will do it if they see a value in it and can do it well. Period. Steve's comment was likely based on actual testing that showed they couldn't do it well. Not as an iPad. As something else remains to be seen. Although some random foreign website repeating a rumor that has been put out there more than once and hasn't happened is hardly reason to get your heart set on something

before my wife stole my ipad 2 i used it mostly for reading books

i'd buy a kindle fire but a refurb ipad 1 is not that much more. for a lot of people reading is the #1 thing to do on a tablet. games and other tasks are way down.

a cheap 7" ipad has to come out because otherwise people will just buy cheap 7" android tablets that run the kindle app just as well as the ipad does

A smaller iPad will be able to stop the Androids from taking market share. Apple is now allowing the competition to hang on. But with the smaller iPad will mean an all out war against them.

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Originally Posted by sleepy3 

But wouldn't that make them appear to be FOLLOWING Android Manufacturers?

 

I mean, Apple is a company that LEADS, not FOLLOWS. 

 

That's also the reason I think the iphone will never get a bigger screen cause then that would just show that the android manufacturers were right, people DO want bigger screens on their phones. 

 

Apple....follow Samsung and make a 7 inch tablet.....NOT GONNA HAPPEN

 

They have already borrowed more than enough for apple fans to be comfortable with. multi-tasking, voice actions, notifications. Now we are hearing NFC too. Enough already. 

 

What's next, burst shot mode on the cameras?

This is really dumb.

Even Jobs said Apple takes other people's ideas and makes them better.
 

If they never went where others were before, they'd never have made any products since there were computers before Apple and phones before the iPhone.

What Apple does is take a product (whether it's new like the iPad or already out there like phones) and makes it great.  The 7" pads out there are complete crap. Apple can take a similar size (note the rumored one is 7.85 different than all others) and make an awesome product for a lot of people that want a mid sized Apple device.

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Originally Posted by Captain J 

Apple can

but Apple won't (at least I don't see them doing so).

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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil 


Oh, it does! I have 'correct automatically' turned on, and it will actually go back through and correct when I'm even in the sentence that the misspelled word was in, not even while I'm doing the typing.

Ah, there, did it again. With that on, it also prevents you from typing some words. It will automatically remove the extra letter faster than you can type it.

Still a beta, after all. Hopefully that gets fixed in the final, but at this stage I wouldn't count on any changes until 10.8.3<…

Great news. When can we go back to just having it underline a red jagged line and let the user type whatever they want? All they need to do is offer the potential substitute words when the user requests them.

The way it is going they will eventually provide automatic political correctness replacement if the tone of the message is not correct.

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Originally Posted by peter236 

A smaller iPad will be able to stop the Androids from taking market share. Apple is now allowing the competition to hang on. But with the smaller iPad will mean an all out war against them.

This is one of the reasons that, besides it likely being a flop functionally, I might be disappointed to see Apple release a 7" iPad. To date, unlike Microsoft and Google, Apple has not been a, "take over the world," kind of company. That doesn't mean that their products (like the iPod) don't sometimes end up doing that, but that they've never seemed to base their business decisions on that as a goal. Releasing a 7" tablet, if it were just intended to cut off the competition's air supply, not because they thought it was an incredible product, would signal a shift in focus that would not be a positive shift. SJ was right when he said that for Apple to win, Microsoft didn't have to lose, and Android doesn't have to lose for Apple to win either. (Although, that doesn't mean it doesn't deserve to die because it's stolen property.)

I hope Apple continues to make product decisions based on a product being the best product they can make, and never releases products just because they think doing so would allow them to take over the world.

I'll be the first in line to buy this thing.  I hate Droid's UI but I just love how small and light they are.

I vote for "iTouchPad" and will complement the 13" Air perfectly

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Originally Posted by logandigges 

No. No, no, no. No iPad Mini. Not very Apple-esque. You better agree.

I don't agree. I want a lighter iPad. My iPad3 is heavier than I'd like it and this new size would be so much better for me. I'd accept a slightly smaller screen for the mobility.

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Originally Posted by markbriton 

Steve Jobs quote, October 2010:
 it is meaningless unless your tablet also includes sandpaper, so that the user can sand down their fingers to around one quarter of their present size....7-inch tablets are going to be DOA. Dead On Arrival. 

Right... that's why we make gazzilions selling the smartphone with the the smallest screen... and no user seems busy sandpapering her finger to 1/8th of her present size.

I do not know if SJ was believing what he was saying or trying to through the competition off the track, but it is clear as day that between 3.5" iPhone and 9.7" iPad there is humongous, glaring 6.2" GAP. And if Apple does not step up to fill it, someone else will. And will make loads of $$$ along the way... the only thing that will be sandpapered is Apple's profits.