They keep on hanging on to the past. Yes yes, backward compatible and all that. I use their software at work, and have a lot of aaaahh moments.
They were in the smartphone world before Apple. I remember working on their smartphones. It was hell.
Now all the words from Gates here aside, I think the WinPad stands a chance if Microsoft executes adequately (although with nothing but crashing prototypes that nobody got to play with in hand and two different versions of the WinPad at the starting gate its not looking good from a consumer confusion standpoint). Seems like they could take share from the little part of the market that Android owns as they are in such a sad state on tablets. There will be a group of dedicated windows users that will buy it as well (its a big market) and possibly have a WP phone to go with it.
It seems at this point Microsoft can finally see they and their share price will fade away over time if they don't get into the phone and tablet markets which is where the growth (future) is. Like the game console market, they can spend years and years pouring money down a hole if they think they need to until they finally get it working enough (they made no money on Xbox and didn't start making money on the Xbox 360 for years but do now) - and they have no choice but to do this and pour money down this hole and the WP hole - for years - until they get it right enough (not for domination but for some marketshare) - the alternative is to watch the growth of their main revenue driver, PC's, tail off and eventually start shrinking.
Apple has nothing to worry about here and I hope Microsoft can execute this...Google (android tablets) are the ones to be sweating this...
I'll chip in though, that I still don't understand why Nokia, that had several great systems, among which a perfectly acceptable Linux alternative to Android, switched to the worst OS available at that time. I liked Nokia. I owned several of their phones and smartphones. They were durable, easy to operate... I expected them to provide what the iPhone has become.
So, why? Why, Nokia?
Moreover, since Microsoft basically sh**ed them with Windows 8, why can't they get all their remaining resources on one of their systems (Maemo, Symbian Touch... anything but M$), make it shiny, easy to use, easy to develop for, and use their amazing engineering to make something great and revolutionary?
If they can't do that, they're going RIM (I mean, they'll die), in my humble opinion. Since I don't trust Samsung to innovate, nor HTC, nor Motorola, and that's most of the market in the Western world (China has several other makers, but I would not dare qualify them innovative or quality-minded)... either Nokia gets their act together, or Apple will just sit on the market for time-everlasting (or at least, for a long time...) and that's never good.
I don't see M$ winning in the smartphone market, Android is big but not very innovative... so I guess I'll be buying more iPhones.
yeah would be nice to have a tablet for actual talented people
iPad is for that group that everything they own other people made and everything that has ever inspired them other people have imagined - be nice to have a tablet for the rest of us.
iOS has always been the dumbing down of Apple - the device for "joe" - who can produce little with their time - reason why it has so many silly video games
This will reel the sincere and offended fanboys in like chum to explain why you're wrong. Nothing gets 'em worked up more than questioning their technical cred. Well played, sir, well played.
Technically the apple TV already has the full fledged Mac OS on it, and yet it is not accessible because it does not make sense.
I seriously think that MS isn't trying to compete with the iPad, they're just trying not to be a netbook. And if they can sell hardware to make a few extra bucks, why not. If they were really thinking straight, they would have realized that the zune made absolutely no dent in the market as it was a crappier copycat. If they can wipe out the netbook market, all the power to them. As an IT person, I hate "fixing" some poor student's computer because I can't image what kind of garbage is on there. If MS can make something more palatable for both the target consumer and technical support community, all the power to them.
It will be interesting to see how well the Surface operates and competes. If Windows 8 and all supported applications perform efficiently on the new device, it will probably be successful. However, this form factor more closely resembles a modified ultra book rather than a tablet. All that being said, A successful Surface will probably cannibalize PC laptop/desktop revenues, as well as a percentage of iOS and Android sales. Key factors such as availability, functionality, reliability, versatility, and price are what ultimately drive consumer preference. High marks will spur more competition and more innovation.
It isn't hard for me to imagine that some people really need a physical keyboard. What is hard for me to imagine is that people would prefer a Surface over an iPad for such irrelevant thing when there are a lot of solutions for the iPad out there. If you couldn't use a physical keyboard with the iPad, I could give Microsoft that as a selling point, but that's not the case. Since day one the iPad has been able to use bluetooth keyboards. So, that's why, for me, that keyboard isn't a game changer at all.
For posters like Ewan, a "real OS" or "full OS" contains all the baggage of x86 Windows. They are probably IT guys who don't "Contact your Administrator" because they ARE the Administrator, or a hacker. These guys freak out if they can't get into the BIOS screen and throw every switch. They want a computer that spits out "Keyboard error or no keyboard present. Press F1 to continue or DEL to enter SETUP".
And... you can run heavy-duty apps like Final Cut Pro, Office for Mac or Aperture on iPad "upgraded" with keyboard?
I think not.
Question that remains to be answered is, how many people need fully featured computer in a tablet form. Microsoft's own RT vs. Pro tablets sales will be good indicator. If Pro turns to be selling well, then yes - Apple could benefit from having MacBook Pro hardware in tablet format. Airs are nice and portable, but still laptops - not that easy to use while standing, for example, or in both landscape and portrait orientation. Or where freehand input (via touch-screen) is preferable to keyboard and touchpad.
No, I think the question HAS been answered. You just aren't paying attention. The answer is: About as many people who flocked to the Windows Tablet PCs over the last 10 years. Don't say it's because those tablets were just convertible laptops and therefore too heavy (they were), because Samsung has been selling an impressively thin and light Core i5-based Windows 7 tablet (it even runs Windows 8 Consumer Preview quite nicely, I've used it). And it's not vaporware: you can buy that Samsung tablet TODAY and install Windows 8 CP, and it runs all your "heavy duty apps".
And are they flying off the shelf?
PC makers are getting good at hiding the BIOS prompt during boot, but it should be there. I'm sure the first person to load Ubuntu on a Surface will be celebrated on slashdot as a god among geeks.
So true, I have a bluetooth keyboard which I seldom use because once they are synced the virtual keyboard doesn't work.
An iPad is mobile which I use all over the house and when I need to send an email I can't use the virtual keyboard imagine how annoying it is which I believe the Surface buyers will be facing.
And Apple did the right thing use the virtual keyboard for light use and when one needs to write a novel get a bluetooth keyboard and how many of us are novel writers.
this is much too dismissive. i agree, you probably won't use a keyboard/cover around the house. but i take my iPad around town a lot, and on the road of course. for that you need a cover of some kind anyway to protect it. i use the Logitech keyboard cover (last year's - the new one is nicer). it is really handy. first, just to prop up the iPad at a good hands free viewing angle, while i drink coffee/beer (which i do a lot), eat a sandwich, etc. and second, to type stuff of course. us old schoolers usually prefer an actual keyboard for writing everything - if it's handy. but, yes, you can't do that riding in a car, another place we use the iPad a lot. great for hotel rooms tho.
btw, to break the bluetooth link all you have to do is flick the keyboard/cover power switch to Off. like, when you take it off and put it aside at home anyway. i don't think that is really much of a problem to cite ...
Bill Gates seems to operate in a closed mental system. The wheels are definitely turning and opinions are coming out but there is no experiential input or real insights into human beings. Given that he famously forbid his family to use Apple products, I seriously doubt he has ever spent any time with an iOS device and has never experienced the freedom from the mind-numbing aspects of traditional computing that iOS offers. He has always expressed bewilderment at the appeal of Apple products; these latest statements are just more of the same.