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Brazilians, Mexicans, etc are Americans too. It's just that it would be easier for everyone if there were another name for the people from the USA. That way there would be no confusion between Americans from America and Americans from the States.

 

Except there is no confusion, unless you cause it deliberately.

 

I wonder who the hell asked for a friggin history lesson. 

 

No one. 

 

"America" refers to the USA. You can get as technical and anal as you like about it, but your ignorance will be REALLY apparent when you don't understand the common use of the term. And it is ENTIRELY correct.

 

It's a very easy distinction for everyone else to make, so refusal to do it is simply done for the sake of causing an argument. 

 

 

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Brazilians, Mexicans, etc are Americans too. 

 

We don't call them Americans. Your mom doesn't call them Americans. Your friends don't call them Americans. We use labels for the purpose of telling everyone apart. Just makes life easier. 

 

Incidentally, in case you hadn't noticed, they are called BRAZILIANS and MEXICANS, respectively (that is, according to the countries in which they live.)

 

There is officially "North America" and "South America." Mexico is part of North America. Sometimes we like to use the term "Central America", but that is colloquial. It doesn't officially exist. Sometimes we like to use the term "Americas" to refer to everyone and their dog all the way North and all the way South (and *really* South) of the Mason-Dixon. That's fine, but that term too, is casual. To keep things simple, we understand the continents the way we do now, we understand Mexico's location in the continental scheme of things the way we do now, and we call Brazilians and Mexicans . . .  Brazilians and Mexicans. Not "Americans." 

 

Pretty easy, isn't it?  Problem solved. Glad I could help.  Now do you have anything remotely relevant to say about iPads being made in BRAZIL?


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On the other hand, it's this exact kind of smug attitude that created this thread in the first place, derailing a perfectly a good story about the iPad mini.  

 

Well, as far as I'm concerned, if these third worlders and ignorant historical revisionists are trying to change the definition of what an American is, then I am quite happy to define what they are, and I will have to draw up new maps, where every country south of the border will simply be labelled as crapistan 1, crapistan 2 etc.. That sounds fair to me. And their residents will be known as crapistanians from now on.

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We don't call them Americans. Your mom doesn't call them Americans. Your friends don't call them Americans. We use labels for the purpose of telling everyone apart. Just makes life easier. 

Incidentally, in case you hadn't noticed, they are called BRAZILIANS and MEXICANS, respectively (that is, according to the countries in which they live.)

There is officially "North America" and "South America." Mexico is part of North America. Sometimes we like to use the term "Central America", but that is colloquial. It doesn't officially exist. Sometimes we like to use the term "Americas" to refer to everyone and their dog all the way North and all the way South (and *really* South) of the Mason-Dixon. That's fine, but that term too, is casual. To keep things simple, we understand the continents the way we do now, we understand Mexico's location in the continental scheme of things the way we do now, and we call Brazilians and Mexicans . . .  Brazilians and Mexicans. Not "Americans." 

Pretty easy, isn't it?  Problem solved. Glad I could help.  Now do you have anything remotely relevant to say about iPads being made in BRAZIL?

The fact that he calls them Brazilians and Mexicans completely pops his own unbelievably weak argument that they are more commonly referred to a grouping of two continents referred to as a single entity and that the only country with the word America in it should never have its people be referred to as Americans.


PS: It's funny that he doesn't once reference Brasil (República Federativa do Brasil) or the United Mexican States (Estados Unidos Mexicanos) — another country with United States in their official name — since he's pretending to be so keen on only using the terminology that is common among the people of those countries.

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While it seems fashionable to report rumors ... here's a key question.

Why would Apple even want to offer a smaller screen that is even more challenging to type on with the virtual screen... Just because Amazon and Google are offering something in the smaller format?

 

Look at true costs, all the extra parts, the marketing, etc.  Apple is scheduled to bring forth the iPhone 5 ... why impact that introduction with a non-profitable product like a 7" tablet that the media thinks should match what Amazon and Google will be giving away.  Apple makes profit on better products ... not marching to the tune of wanna be tablet producers.

 

Improved software in the app format will sell more iPads 9.7" size ... not the dwarf many are writing about.  Apple just introduced the incredible Retina Screen on the 3rd generation iPad.  They're not going to jeopardize the growing interesting in iPad 9.7" format.

 

If you want smaller ... you have iPhone 4 and 4s.

 

Guess all you want ... this is not going to happen IMHO

 

Maybe a tablet won't be its primary use. If Apple builds a 7" device then there will be a damn good reason for it. A 7" tablet alone might not be a damn good reason but a 7" iWhatever that doubles as a tablet would be a good reason. This all depends upon what Apple will introduce this year... if anything.

 

Seems to be too many stories to believe that there won't be a different Apple device of some nature or other.

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Realize that people use colloquial names in daily conversation and understand how the general public talks. You will need to understand context. If you fail to do so, you will be continually stymied by your lack of ability to communicate, most likely resulting in lost opportunities (in your career, personal life, etc.).

 

Good luck.

Butthurt much?

 

Guy did not agress you. Did not insult you. Did actually not say anything that makes such an aggressive response justified.

If you want to insult someone, insult me. I'll even give you a reason: I think you're an obnoxious jerk.

I'm riiiight here with the smiley face on my shirt :p

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post #126 of 156
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The fact that he calls them Brazilians and Mexicans completely pops his own unbelievably weak argument that they are more commonly referred to a grouping of two continents referred to as a single entity and that the only country with the word America in it should never have its people be referred to as Americans.
PS: It's funny that he doesn't once reference Brasil (República Federativa do Brasil) or the United Mexican States (Estados Unidos Mexicanos) — another country with United States in their official name — since he's pretending to be so keen on only using the terminology that is common among the people of those countries.

I'm not going to play to long in this thread, but I just wanted to add an element to it. While when an USA citizen says "American" he means "from the USA", when a European says "American", he means, "from the Americas". Just as some Americans (from the USA) would have difficulty telling Macedonia from Greece or even from the Netherlands (yes, some would... I have met some, as ludicrous as it seems), there are Europeans who aren't sure where to place the USA or Colombia on the other side of the ocean.

 

My point, I guess, is that names are very dependant on who gives them, so why not apply some leeway to the term?

Just my two cents :D

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Maybe a tablet won't be its primary use. If Apple builds a 7" device then there will be a damn good reason for it. A 7" tablet alone might not be a damn good reason but a 7" iWhatever that doubles as a tablet would be a good reason. This all depends upon what Apple will introduce this year... if anything.

 

Seems to be too many stories to believe that there won't be a different Apple device of some nature or other.


Maybe they're going to make a new iMac with a 7 inch touchscreen replacing the touchpad? Or maybe it's the new control panel for the iSpaceshuttle? We'll find out eventually!

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Maybe they're going to make a new iMac with a 7 inch touchscreen replacing the touchpad? Or maybe it's the new control panel for the iSpaceshuttle? We'll find out eventually!

 

Haha, well maybe it's the much-vaunted AppleTV? They'll sell 'em small and cheap so that families will have one for each room. iPad and 7" tablets are frequently sold as items upon which to view videos.  in that role, what differs them from a TV? 

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To hear this many people try to claim that the USA has dominion over a term that universally applies to millions of people outside of their border is hilarious. Never under estimate the United States capacity for being self-absorbed.

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What a stupid discussion. Who the heck cares?

If the person using the term 'America' can't be more specific, they run the risk of being misunderstood. Obviously, based on the discussion here, the term is too vague to have a precise meaning. So use a term that is not vague and the problem goes away.
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I kind of miss the 4th gen Nano. And the click wheel: there's still no easier way to scrub over small sections of a very long (say, 2-hour long) audio program.
Agreed. I also miss that. Plus you remember the fact that the camera was for video only? Made no seance why it could have been upgraded to take still. They still sell these in other countries. I'm almost tempted to buy one. If they only had made a larger hard drive.

But that gets me on a whole other topic. Why no iTunes store and wifi sync? People working out at the gym could run out of stuff to listen to? Or if your car or office has a hotspot your could sync from there.

Not everyone wants or has need for an iOS device. Why not update some of the old favorites? Some people just want a tiny device for dedicated audio media, not an iPhone or an iPod touch. Some of us want to have a dedicated device for our whole media library but don't want to pay $250 for that privilege. But I gues I'm the minority there. Just seems to make little sense why they are figuratively turning their backs on what made they so huge to begin with.

They set out to reinvent the PMP and stated they wanted to make the best device they could. Well, they fell short given current advances in iOS. Here's the short list.

No iTunes store
No wifi sync.
No still photography.
No larger SDD than 16gb.
No voice control or dictation for search.

Had they added those features to the 4th gen iPod nano, they would have made the best device they could. It cold have been the swansong for the iPod line but instead it just fizzled out.
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post #132 of 156

The joke about a comapnay based in California that has said it wishes to bring jobs back into that said comapnaies home nation would not be funny if upon the news report of manufacturing expansion in Brazil, which is in the America's.

 

Assuming, that citizens residing in the United States, talking about a company that is headquartered in said country, and that said nations citizens, refer to themselves as "American's" the joke was targeted at those who either understand the correlation and "play on words" between the America's and Brazil as referenced to a South American nation and "America" referenceing a name for a nation that its citizens commonly refer to itself and self stated desire to have said nation return jobs to said companies headquarted within the nation state, AKA "United States of America" within the Hemishpere and continental region known as both a National name and greater region namesake that also inhabits some 32 other independent nation states that refer to themselves as other names not generally including the name "America", but may refer said geographical location with other national regions for ease of clarification, upon which further specificity of exact citizenship to particular nation state can later be clarified.

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It would be easier if there was only one noun gender in German. Sie beklagen sich nicht.
"American" is our demonym. You want it changed, petition the UN to make it unrecognized. Good luck.

 

No.

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Except there is no confusion, unless you cause it deliberately.

I wonder who the hell asked for a friggin history lesson. 

No one. 

"America" refers to the USA. You can get as technical and anal as you like about it, but your ignorance will be REALLY apparent when you don't understand the common use of the term. And it is ENTIRELY correct.

It's a very easy distinction for everyone else to make, so refusal to do it is simply done for the sake of causing an argument. 



We don't call them Americans. Your mom doesn't call them Americans. Your friends don't call them Americans. We use labels for the purpose of telling everyone apart. Just makes life easier. 

Incidentally, in case you hadn't noticed, they are called BRAZILIANS and MEXICANS, respectively (that is, according to the countries in which they live.)

There is officially "North America" and "South America." Mexico is part of North America. Sometimes we like to use the term "Central America", but that is colloquial. It doesn't officially exist. Sometimes we like to use the term "Americas" to refer to everyone and their dog all the way North and all the way South (and *really* South) of the Mason-Dixon. That's fine, but that term too, is casual. To keep things simple, we understand the continents the way we do now, we understand Mexico's location in the continental scheme of things the way we do now, and we call Brazilians and Mexicans . . .  Brazilians and Mexicans. Not "Americans." 

Pretty easy, isn't it?  Problem solved. Glad I could help.  Now do you have anything remotely relevant to say about iPads being made in BRAZIL?

Some years ago, I taught classes in programming. On one particular tour, I traveled to several countries in Latin America, including: Peru, Guatemala, Panama, Mexico.

I was well-treated by the Latins in all these countries.


Edit: BTW, the word "Gringo" had quite a different meaning in Lima than in Mexico, DF.
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No.

There are quite a few things to rebut in that post. Would you mind narrowing that down?

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It has little to do with China, the tariffs are so high on electronics imported into Brazil that people in Brazil cant afford them. In fact people regularly travel out side of Brazil to shop or engage the black market there. Without a plant in Brazil Apple is effectively priced out of the market.
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I think it would be great news to hear of device assembly being moved to Brazil. I know it reduces the effectiveness of the full supply chain in China, but it also sends a message that China needs to behave manner with regards to worker treatment and the way the intellectual property rights are sorted through their opaque judicial system.

I'd love to hear that Foxconn was building another assembly plant in India, Indonesia, Malaysia or Vietnam.
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I once got thrown into a business trip to Brazil and must say it. Is in many ways a wonderful place. Considering how unprepared I was for the trip I got treated very well indeed. Frankly I was a bit over whelmed at just how nice everyone is. This is in stark Contrast to how some business travelers are treated in the USA.

Now I can't speak to the rest of the Southern countries but I'd highly recommend a trip to Brazil for anyone that can afford it. Great people and some of the best eating on the planet. It isn't all fun and games though, there is still massive poverty and some things just look backwards to somebody from the USA. All in all a much better place to travel than Ireland or some other places I've been.
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Some years ago, I taught classes in programming. On one particular tour, I traveled to several countries in Latin America, including: Peru, Guatemala, Panama, Mexico.
I was well-treated by the Latins in all these countries.
Edit: BTW, the word "Gringo" had quite a different meaning in Lima than in Mexico, DF.
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It has little to do with China, the tariffs are so high on electronics imported into Brazil that people in Brazil cant afford them. In fact people regularly travel out side of Brazil to shop or engage the black market there. Without a plant in Brazil Apple is effectively priced out of the market.

Last report said the prices haven't changed after the product rolled out. Is there any more recent news?
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I just picked a few... and they're all in singular. No "Americas" to be seen ;-)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americas

Was that so hard?


PS: Let me know when the change the name of the USA to Just One Country In The World That Has United States And One Of Thirty-Five Countries In A Newly Named Super Continent Called America¡

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I just picked a few... and they're all in singular. No "Americas" to be seen ;-)

At first this was fun, but now you're all just trolling.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americas
Was that so hard?
PS: Let me know when the change the name of the USA to Just One Country In The World That Has United States And One Of Thirty-Five Countries In A Newly Named Super Continent Called America¡

 

My point exacly. The rest of the world already knows what America is, and don't call it "Americas" instead of "America". It's been that way long time before the USA was founded.

 

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At first this was fun, but now you're all just trolling.
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Well that should change. America in any other language means America, not Americas. It's English speaking people that don't know other languages the ones that don't seem to get it.

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The rest of the world already knows what America is, and don't call it "Americas" instead of "America".

I beg to differ on that. Anywhere that considers the Americas two continents would refer to them as "the Americas" when speaking about both continents.
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Well that should change.

So, again, petition the UN to force us to change our country's demonym. In the meantime, the word will continue to mean exactly what it means because it has meant that for centuries.

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My point exacly. The rest of the world already knows what America is, and don't call it "Americas" instead of "America". It's been that way long time before the USA was founded.

1) That is not your point.

2) You let us know how it works out when you wonder if someone means Mexico, America or some other oountry when they are from the United States yet I have a feeling you don't feign that terminology is confusing and ambiguous.

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The rest of the world already knows what America is, and don't call it "Americas" instead of "America".
I beg to differ on that. Anywhere that considers the Americas two continents would refer to them as "the Americas" when speaking about both continents.
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Well that should change.
So, again, petition the UN to force us to change our country's demonym. In the meantime, the word will continue to mean exactly what it means because it has meant that for centuries.

 

Well then... sense there's Eastern Europe and Western Europe... we'll have to start calling it "the Europes".

 

That's just stupid.

 

Almost all the world knows: America, Asia, Europe, Africa and Oceania. Teachers usually take as an example the olympic flag, where the 5 rings represent the 5 continents (Antarctica being just a piece of rock covered in snow).

 

No wonder the US and the UK still use medieval units like feet, inches and pounds, although at least the UK is actually slowly adapting to the more advanced and scientific International System.

 

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1) That is not your point.
2) You let us know how it works out when you wonder if someone means Mexico, America or some other oountry when they are from the United States yet I have a feeling you don't feign that terminology is confusing and ambiguous.

 

1) Yes it is. Look for any other language that uses "Americas" instead of "America". Can you find one? And no, "Simple English" doesn't count as another language.

2) Actually the name is "Estados Unidos Mexicanos" and not "Estados Unidos de México", the name in English is "United Mexican States", not "United States of Mexico" ;-)

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Well then… sense there's Eastern Europe and Western Europe… we'll have to start calling it "the Europes".

… Europe is one continent. North America is one continent. South America is one continent. Therefore in English, as with most nouns, the plural is created by the appending of an 's'. So Americas. North and South.
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Almost all the world knows: America, Asia, Europe, Africa and Oceania. Teachers usually take as an example the olympic flag, where the 5 rings represent the 5 continents (Antarctica being just a piece of rock covered in snow).

Ah, so Australia is just a piece of rock covered in sand. So four continents. And Eurafricasia is considered a single continent by some, so that's two continents.

Guess there are only two continents. So when I start calling people Easters, you'll know what I mean. Not Easter Islanders, as they don't deserve to be recognized based on the name of the place they live (note that actual natives of Easter Island are known as Rapa Nui or Pascuense, which is a pretty funny irony).
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No wonder the US and the UK still use medieval units like feet, inches and pounds, although at least the UK is actually slowly adapting to the more advanced and scientific International System.

Yes, that's certainly the argument we're having, and it's definitely relevant to the argument at hand and connected such that the segue you've made is logical.

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1) Yes it is. Look for any other language that uses "Americas" instead of "America". Can you find one? And no, "Simple English" doesn't count as another language.
2) Actually the name is "Estados Unidos Mexicanos" and not "Estados Unidos de México", the name in English is "United Mexican States", not "United States of Mexico" ;-)

1) If you want claim that you don't know what is meant by something saying they are from America when the context is clearly about a country then you right ahead but know you'll look like an idiot.

2) If you want to claim that other countries don't have united states then go right ahead but know you'll look like an idiot when you do.

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Well then… sense there's Eastern Europe and Western Europe… we'll have to start calling it "the Europes".
Guess there are only two continents. So when I start calling people Easters, you'll know what I mean. Not Easter Islanders, as they don't deserve to be recognized based on the name of the place they live (note that actual natives of Easter Island are known as Rapa Nui or Pascuense, which is a pretty funny irony).

Watch out, he might start arguing that Earth is the only continent in the world. After all, earth can be defined as "the substance of the land surface."


PS: Europes? really? So he's moved a definition that based on landmasses to one that is based solely to geo-politial lines to define the largest land masses on the planet. This guy too far out of whack to even continue. At some point you have to realize that some people don't care about education.

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Well then… sense there's Eastern Europe and Western Europe… we'll have to start calling it "the Europes".
… Europe is one continent. North America is one continent. South America is one continent. Therefore in English, as with most nouns, the plural is created by the appending of an 's'. So Americas. North and South.
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Almost all the world knows: America, Asia, Europe, Africa and Oceania. Teachers usually take as an example the olympic flag, where the 5 rings represent the 5 continents (Antarctica being just a piece of rock covered in snow).
Ah, so Australia is just a piece of rock covered in sand. So four continents. And Eurafricasia is considered a single continent by some, so that's two continents.
Guess there are only two continents. So when I start calling people Easters, you'll know what I mean. Not Easter Islanders, as they don't deserve to be recognized based on the name of the place they live (note that actual natives of Easter Island are known as Rapa Nui or Pascuense, which is a pretty funny irony).
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No wonder the US and the UK still use medieval units like feet, inches and pounds, although at least the UK is actually slowly adapting to the more advanced and scientific International System.
Yes, that's certainly the argument we're having, and it's definitely relevant to the argument at hand and connected such that the segue you've made is logical.

 

If Europe is one continent, so is America. Tell me what's your argument for separating America in two and why separating Europe in two isn't valid. Please, don't confuse continents with tectonic plates.

 

Australia is part of Oceania. I thought that that was basic knowledge, I see it isn't. And yes, demonyms don't always coincide with the name of its region. For example, people from the Philippines are called Pinoys and people from Ciudad Rodrigo are called Mirobrigenses because the town used to be called Miróbriga Augusta.

 

Yes, it's relevant. It's English vs the rest of the world.

 

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1) If you want claim that you don't know what is meant by something saying they are from America when the context is clearly about a country then you right ahead but know you'll look like an idiot.
2) If you want to claim that other countries don't have united states then go right ahead but know you'll look like an idiot when you do.

 

1) I'm not claiming that. I'm just saying that it's wrong. America is a continent. Using that name for one of its countries is arrogant and is disrespectful to the other countries in America.

2) I'm not claiming that other countries don't have united states. Even Spain has states of its own. I'm claiming that Mexico wasn't a good example. If you had said Colombia, you'd have a point ;-)

 

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Well then… sense there's Eastern Europe and Western Europe… we'll have to start calling it "the Europes".
Guess there are only two continents. So when I start calling people Easters, you'll know what I mean. Not Easter Islanders, as they don't deserve to be recognized based on the name of the place they live (note that actual natives of Easter Island are known as Rapa Nui or Pascuense, which is a pretty funny irony).
Watch out, he might start arguing that Earth is the only continent in the world. After all, earth can be defined as "the substance of the land surface."
PS: Europes? really? So he's moved a definition that based on landmasses to one that is based solely to geo-politial lines to define the largest land masses on the planet. This guy too far out of whack to even continue. At some point you have to realize that some people don't care about education.

 

I never said that I believe that Antarctica is just a piece of rock covered in snow, I just explained the reason why teachers usually ignore Antarctica.

 

You still haven't told me not even ONE language that uses "Americas" for the name of the continent instead of "America" (other than English, obviously).

 

PD: I wasn't going to clarify the last sentence with the "other than English" part, but reading your previous comments I'd say that I shouldn't take logical and obvious things for granted.


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If Europe is one continent, so is America. Tell me what's your argument for separating America in two and why separating Europe in two isn't valid. Please, don't confuse continents with tectonic plates.

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For example, people from the Philippines are called Pinoys…

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Yes, it's relevant. It's English vs the rest of the world.

And China. And India. So the majority.
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1) I'm not claiming that. I'm just saying that it's wrong. America is a continent. Using that name for one of its countries is arrogant and is disrespectful to the other countries in America.

Not to sound "arrogant" or "disrespectful", but too frigging bad, because that's how it has been since we got over being called "colonials".

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Now it becomes clear. I knew eventually you'd reveal that your issue. Had nothing to do with some warped sense of accuracy but with your anti-American stance. Of course, you'll deny that but the proof is that you've never mentioned any othe countries having names that aren't etymologically speaking specific to them and only them. You've also never once taken the stance — which I graciously left out for you to hopefully did yourself out this [arse]hole you've dug for yourself — United States of America is neither the only united states nor should be considered first united states in the Americas.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_country-name_etymologies

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If Europe is one continent, so is America. Tell me what's your argument for separating America in two and why separating Europe in two isn't valid. Please, don't confuse continents with tectonic plates.
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And China. And India. So the majority.
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1) I'm not claiming that. I'm just saying that it's wrong. America is a continent. Using that name for one of its countries is arrogant and is disrespectful to the other countries in America.
Not to sound "arrogant" or "disrespectful", but too frigging bad, because that's how it has been since we got over being called "colonials".

 

"Get a load of this!" Great answer. I see you have no arguments :-)

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinoy

 

No, Chinese don't use "Americas" (the word isn't even similar, it's "Měi zhōu"), nor do people from India (Mahaamerika), nor does any other nation. All countries use "America" as the continent and use "America" as the country when speaking in English or in some day-to-day occasions because of English influence, and that's pretty sad.

 

Too frigging bad? No wonder other nations dislike us. With people like you, what can we expect?

 

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Now it becomes clear. I knew eventually you'd reveal that your issue. Had nothing to do with some warped sense of accuracy but with your anti-American stance. Of course, you'll deny that but the proof is that you've never mentioned any othe countries having names that aren't etymologically speaking specific to them and only them. You've also never once taken the stance — which I graciously left out for you to hopefully did yourself out this [arse]hole you've dug for yourself — United States of America is neither the only united states nor should be considered first united states in the Americas.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_country-name_etymologies

 

No, I'm not anti-American. I'm a USA citizen just trying to show you how wrong calling our country "America" is. I know that you've grown up with it for all your life, but that doesn't mean that it's right.

 

"you'll deny that but the proof is that you've never mentioned any othe countries having names that aren't etymologically speaking specific to them and only them"

 

What? Italian is the demonym for people from Italy. Do you know any other country that has the same demonym? Are you drunk?

 

"United States of America is neither the only united states nor should be considered first united states in the Americas."

 

I never said that the United States of America was the first and only united states in America.

 

You seem to have the need to put words in my mouth to try make your own points. That's not a very solid way of arguing.

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No, Chinese don't use "Americas"… …nor do people from India… …nor does any other nation…

Better change Wikipedia, then. Says China, India, and English speaking countries are taught the split America model.
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Too frigging bad? No wonder other nations dislike us. With people like you, what can we expect?

As they say in Japan, "It was American humor."
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Yeah! How could we possibly be so wrong as to call our country by part of its name!

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Then click "English" in the sidebar for the same article… voila.

 

Have you tried the same experiment with the word "American"?

 

And, I'm surprised that this conversation is continuing (and surprised at myself for continuing to participate).

 

I'll close with this, which pretty much sums it all up nicely, from one of the many links of reference: 

 

"In the English language, the Americas refers to the landmasses of North America and South America with their associated islands and regions, whereas America, in current usage, usually refers to the United States of America."

 

Now I think I need to stop participating in this one. Really.


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Wow. about 90% of the thread is talking about the use of "Americas"

I guess the iPad mini is just so irrelevant that something like this ensues. lol

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No, Chinese don't use "Americas"… …nor do people from India… …nor does any other nation…
Better change Wikipedia, then. Says China, India, and English speaking countries are taught the split America model.
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Too frigging bad? No wonder other nations dislike us. With people like you, what can we expect?
As they say in Japan, "It was American humor."
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I'm a USA citizen just trying to show you how wrong calling our country "America" is.
Yeah! How could we possibly be so wrong as to call our country by part of its name!

 

China: http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E7%BE%8E%E6%B4%B2

 

India: http://hi.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A4%AE%E0%A4%B9%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%85%E0%A4%AE%E0%A5%87%E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%BE

 

You'd better change Wikipedia then.

 

"How could we possibly be so wrong as to call our country by part of its name!"

 

Well... it's a relief our country isn't called United States of Earth, we'd be called "Earthlings" and we'd have to say that when someone says "Earthling" it obviously means the United States of Earth and not planet Earth.

 

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Then click "English" in the sidebar for the same article… voila.

 

Have you tried the same experiment with the word "American"?

 

And, I'm surprised that this conversation is continuing (and surprised at myself for continuing to participate).

 

I'll close with this, which pretty much sums it all up nicely, from one of the many links of reference: 

 

"In the English language, the Americas refers to the landmasses of North America and South America with their associated islands and regions, whereas America, in current usage, usually refers to the United States of America."

 

Now I think I need to stop participating in this one. Really.

 

I see you haven't read the rest of the thread. I'm discussing that English is the only language that takes for granted that "America" is the country and not the continent.

 

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Wow. about 90% of the thread is talking about the use of "Americas"

I guess the iPad mini is just so irrelevant that something like this ensues. lol

 

It wont be for Brazilians. They'll probably have cheap iPads for once. They probably won't have high import taxes sense they're basically made there, so it could potentially be the first Apple made gadget that isn't expensive as f*ck.

 

Just so you can get an idea of how expensive Apple things are in Brasil, the cheapest Retina MacBook Pro is 2.200 dollars in the USA and 10.000 reais in Brazil... the equivalent of 4.900 dollars. And now take into consideration that USA's minimum wage is 15.000 dollars (annual) and Brazil's is 3.900 dollars (annual).

 

Obviously Brazil's population isn't in the position of buying Apple products in a general basis, but a smaller and cheaper iPad with less import taxes would definitely be a HUGE step for Apple in the country, where you do see the occasional iPhone, but you almost only see Macs on filthy rich people's hands, sense for the middle class, paying 4000 reais (almost 2.000 dollars) for a 13 inch computer is just not justifiable in any way.

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