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Apple has been proactive in taking down a number of websites that sell developer device slots to non-developers looking to activate iOS prerelease betas.

MacStories reported on Sunday that "several" websites advertising a Unique Device Identifier (UDID) activation service no longer appear to be operating. The sites had previously been profiled in a story by Wired's Andy Baio on the new industry last month.

One site owner confirmed to MacStories that Apple had lodged a copyright infringement complaint with the site's hosting provider. He claimed to have made $75,000 since Apple began seeding beta releases of iOS 6 to developers in June.

?We do not believe our service was infringing and our services did not violate their guidelines for iOS 6″, the site owner maintained, adding that he is currently working on a new site ?with better and more secure data lines to handle Apple.?

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Meanwhile, the report noted that the CEO of a web hosting company told Baio via Twitter that Apple was "fairly heavy-handed" in sending Digital Millennium Copyright Act takedown requests to sites his company hosted that offered UDID developer activations.

Apple's $99-per-year developer accounts allow for activation of up to 100 devices for testing. Considering that one UDID activation-selling service was charging $8.99 per service, these websites could stand to make $800 per developer account, not counting other costs such as hosting or advertising.

Last year, Apple warned developers not to sell their account device slots. The company reportedly closed accounts of some developers that it had identified as having sold UDID activations.
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Good for Apple.  Clearly a violation of the developer terms.

 

And why would anyone pay $9 to have a beta version of iOS on their device?  Stupid all around.

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"We do not believe our service was infringing and our services did not violate their guidelines for iOS 6″, the site owner maintained..."



Riiight...

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I thought, due to a lot of reading, that apple was trying to do away with UDID. I'm not as well read as some of you with technology, but wouldn't this show up in iOS 6? Meaning, now it's here! ...and by the way UDID doesn't work any more. No more tracking guys!

I'm generalizing of course, but are we seeing a new level of security that the Senators keep calling Apple out on?

I would love to hear Sol's well thought opinion of this.
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I thought, due to a lot of reading, that apple was trying to do away with UDID.

 

in terms of general consumer use, yes. But they have to have a way to validate the devices for getting and activating the betas and the UDID is the only way possible at the moment. Given that Apple discourages developers using their active device with an iOS beta since said device will not be eligible for any kind of Genius Bar/Apple Care service, it's not like they could track the device or any use of it as all it is supposed to have is the beta of iOS 6 and the developers apps for testing. 

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OS X Betas are *not* for public consumption, nor is the public entitled to something a vendor decided to *not* give them. Apple's philosophy is that the consumer sees the final, finished release, not some beta. The first impression is to be made from the release. Even if the release isn't up to *some* users' standards, it is still better than an unfinished beta. And if the policy were that a late beta is open for public consumption, then so must an early beta. Not good.

 

I applaud Apple for choosing thoughtful philosophy and principles over whatever misguided patronage might be gained from being too open for their own damn good.

 

"Apple's $99-per-year developer accounts allow for activation of up to 100 devices for testing. Considering that one UDID activation-selling service was charging $8.99 per service, these websites could stand to make $800 per developer account, not counting other costs such as hosting or advertising."

 

Open-and-shut case. Easily. 

 

Regardless of how the public gets the Beta (via "other" means), it's understandable that Apple make their position clear on their own policies regarding the integrity of their product. 


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in terms of general consumer use, yes. But they have to have a way to validate the devices for getting and activating the betas and the UDID is the only way possible at the moment. Given that Apple discourages developers using their active device with an iOS beta since said device will not be eligible for any kind of Genius Bar/Apple Care service, it's not like they could track the device or any use of it as all it is supposed to have is the beta of iOS 6 and the developers apps for testing. 

Thank you very much!

/ no sarcasm.
post #8 of 52

Apple definitely needs to go after those people. Either somebody has a developer account with Apple or they don't. If they don't, then they should not have any access at all to any beta versions through non-Apple sites. Pay the $99 or GTFO.

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in terms of general consumer use, yes. But they have to have a way to validate the devices for getting and activating the betas and the UDID is the only way possible at the moment. Given that Apple discourages developers using their active device with an iOS beta since said device will not be eligible for any kind of Genius Bar/Apple Care service, it's not like they could track the device or any use of it as all it is supposed to have is the beta of iOS 6 and the developers apps for testing. 

O.k. I get it. I had to think about your response for a moment.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

So because you still have to plug in your phone or iPad to put the beta on it, the new UDID system wouldn't work, because you still have to download it through you developer account, which does not use the new UDID system.

So when do you think everything will move to the identifier including developers?
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I'm curious to see how future posters will spin this into something sinister against Apple.

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I'm curious to see how future posters will spin this into something sinister against Apple.

I don't think this is against Apple, but I think it's some kind of move to the new identifier in iOS 6. However, as the person above this pointed out it, the new identifier wouldn't really have much to do with betas yet. That's a future thing I guess.
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I don't think this is against Apple, but I think it's some kind of move to the new identifier in iOS 6. However, as the person above this pointed out it, the new identifier wouldn't really have much to do with betas yet. That's a future thing I guess.

You've lost me. I'm under the impression that UDIDs will still be in iOS and will still be used for selecting devices that can be used to install IOS betas for development purposes. The only thing the new ID program is for is to allow 3rd-party app developers to be able to identify devices without using the UDID.

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You've lost me. I'm under the impression that UDIDs will still be in iOS and will still be used for selecting devices that can be used to install IOS betas for development purposes. The only thing the new ID program is for is to allow 3rd-party app developers to be able to identify devices without using the UDID.

Yes, absolutely!

I was thinking too far ahead.
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As I said earlier, elsewhere, good on Apple for doing this. They should have started many years ago.

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Some of you guys really need to get over yourselves. No, no one should be selling developer activations. That's crossing a line and shame on them. But, really?

If some superfan can't wait and just HAS to have IOS 6 on his iDevice, what's the big deal? It's gonna mystery crash, be incompatible with a lot of his apps, etc. Maybe he'll learn, maybe he won't. It's a lot like jail breaking... Generally a pain in the butt.

How many of us have $99 developer accounts that, strictly speaking, maybe we really don't qualify for? I'd be all over the IOS 6 beta but I've been down that road and life's too short. See paragraph two.

In the end we're not talking about curing hunger or a calamitous natural disaster... It's a phone.
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Some of you guys really need to get over yourselves. No, no one should be selling developer activations. That's crossing a line and shame on them. But, really?
If some superfan can't wait and just HAS to have IOS 6 on his iDevice, what's the big deal? It's gonna mystery crash, be incompatible with a lot of his apps, etc. Maybe he'll learn, maybe he won't. It's a lot like jail breaking... Generally a pain in the butt.
How many of us have $99 developer accounts that, strictly speaking, maybe we really don't qualify for? I'd be all over the IOS 6 beta but I've been down that road and life's too short. See paragraph two.
In the end we're not talking about curing hunger or a calamitous natural disaster... It's a phone.

From the perspective of the buyer and the sell it's not a big deal and if those that can sell it and those that can find a way to make the transaction happen then so be it. But now look it at from Apple's PoV. They've surely known about this sort of thing for many years and very likely even considered this issue when they first designed the developer account system. I'd say they're only likely now coming down on them because it's becoming too rampant and could potentially become a problem for them. For that reason and that reason alone they have a responsibility.

I'm not even sure what curing hunger and calamitous natural disaster has to do with anything. Most things aren't those things and surely not any of Apple's products so why mention it?

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From the perspective of the buyer and the sell it's not a big deal and if those that can sell it and those that can find a way to make the transaction happen then so be it. But now look it at from Apple's PoV. They've surely known about this sort of thing for many years and very likely even considered this issue when they first designed the developer account system. I'd say they're only likely now coming down on them because it's becoming too rampant and could potentially become a problem for them. For that reason and that reason alone they have a responsibility.
 

 

It's Apple's OS, their game, their sandbox, their rules.  They can play this (or not) any way they want.  I get it and have no problem with whatever they choose to do or not to do with regard to an OS beta.

 

     Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post

 

     I'm not even sure what curing hunger and calamitous natural disaster has to do with anything. Most things aren't those things and surely not any of Apple's products so why        mention it?

 

Because if we're going to get our panties in a bunch...

 

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Good for Apple.  Clearly a violation of the developer terms.

 

And why would anyone pay $9 to have a beta version of iOS on their device?  Stupid all around.

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OS X Betas are *not* for public consumption, nor is the public entitled to something a vendor decided to *not* give them. Apple's philosophy is that the consumer sees the final, finished release, not some beta. The first impression is to be made from the release. Even if the release isn't up to *some* users' standards, it is still better than an unfinished beta. And if the policy were that a late beta is open for public consumption, then so must an early beta. Not good.

 

I applaud Apple for choosing thoughtful philosophy and principles over whatever misguided patronage might be gained from being too open for their own damn good.

 

"Apple's $99-per-year developer accounts allow for activation of up to 100 devices for testing. Considering that one UDID activation-selling service was charging $8.99 per service, these websites could stand to make $800 per developer account, not counting other costs such as hosting or advertising."

 

Open-and-shut case. Easily. 

 

Regardless of how the public gets the Beta (via "other" means), it's understandable that Apple make their position clear on their own policies regarding the integrity of their product. 

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I'm curious to see how future posters will spin this into something sinister against Apple.

 

Let's get them in a bunch over something really important and not a freaking phone.  Yes, an extremely cool phone, but still just a phone.  And just a phone OS beta at that ;)

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In the end we're not talking about curing hunger or a calamitous natural disaster... It's a phone.

 

Who cares about curing hunger? Cure the breeding habits of certain people, and there would be no need to cure hunger, as if there is any cure to be found to begin with.

 

A phone is much more important, unless we're talking about an Android phone of course. A game changing device like the iPhone has had a far more dramatic and substantial impact on the world than curing hunger. And what does curing hunger mean anyway? There is no magic pill that will eliminate hunger. 

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Riiight...

This kind of violation of a NDA/developer's contract calls for Mr. Job's thermonuclear war response. Sue the company and the principals Into bankruptcy and then grind each and every individual into poverty and seek intervention by the DOJ for criminal violations of Title XVIII.

Then, get medieval on them!

Seriously, this is as eggregrious a contort as can be had. I'd question the ethics of their defense counsel, absent their immediate capitulation.
post #20 of 52
I've been buying UDID activations online since 4.0 Beta. I bought the iOS 6 beta UDID activation from an eBay seller for $4.99 and was activated within 2 minutes.

As a tinkerer who likes to stay on the bleeding edge, it was worth it to me. I don't mind a few crashes or incompatibilities here and there.
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I'm curious to see how future posters will spin this into something sinister against Apple.

 

macrumours has some doozies:

 

"In all seriousness, what is a ripoff? A $99 fee to develop products in a ready made market? Or is it something else? "

 

"Plus a commission for everything you sell. You shouldn't have to pay to get iOS 6 beta since it doesn't even make you any money. "

 

"I don't agree with people raking in the money from this, but without sharing I wouldn't be running iOS 6 right now. It's not hurting Apple because I'm not making money from it and I'll get the full release in the fall. "

 

"It's not $99. It's $99 a year. Otherwise your apps stop being available. Over five years, that's some serious change for many young developers and/or hobbyists who just wanted to make some family apps.

Android charges nothing to be a developer, with a one-time small fee to be in the Market. RIM only charges a one-time $25 signing fee."

 

"Apple has become a big bully. They are of course not above downright theft of the ideas of the jb community (see click volume for camera) and of course these little guys can't sue the hell out of them cause they don't have the money. It's when the little guy tries to get by that they bully up against them. Instead of hunting people down who are anyway beta testing their software for free they might as well focus or restructuring the fees of the app store.

I can't see how a small time developer should pay $500 over five years and sell their app at $1.99 to 500 or so users. That's $500 to apple plus another $300, $800 and it's $700 to the person that actually did all the work with the development.
The app store and the devs fee are not there to sponsor apple's ios and xcode development. God knows they have enough money to pay for their own dev costs. They are supposed to be paying for developing their tools not offload it to the dev community. It's that community that's helping them ship on ios device after the other. Yeah I know this is kind of ot, but not really if you think about it. Some people that are small time in the app store or even hobbyists cannot be expected to pay $500 over 5 years just to try a few things out, that's like buying a new ipad.
They even had the nerve to claim "job creation" for something like 210,000 developers. That's 20 million to apple's pockets per year without even counting the 30% per app cut. They are the first job creator that get's paid by the employee.

Apple need to face real competition, really soon, if they don't the way their greed and obscene riches have gone to their heads the consumers and the developers will suffer as they do now."

 

and so on...

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Who cares about curing hunger? Cure the breeding habits of certain people, and there would be no need to cure hunger, as if there is any cure to be found to begin with.

A phone is much more important, unless we're talking about an Android phone of course. A game changing device like the iPhone has had a far more dramatic and substantial impact on the world than curing hunger. And what does curing hunger mean anyway? There is no magic pill that will eliminate hunger. 

I'm just curious, but when was the last time you were starving but didn't have enough money to buy food?

You didn't ask to be born, but I bet you like to eat food every now and then dont you?

You know, this week... Maybe next week?
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I'm just curious, but when was the last time you were starving but didn't have enough money to buy food?
You didn't ask to be born, but I bet you like to eat food every now and then dont you?
You know, this week... Maybe next week?

 

I believe in individual responsibility, and the blame lies with the parents. Don't bring children into the world if you can not provide for them, that's a very simple concept that most people should be aware of.

 

I remember watching Meerkat Manor on Netflix some months ago, and not surprisingly, the offspring of the most foolish Meerkats did not survive.

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I believe in individual responsibility, and the blame lies with the parents. Don't bring children into the world if you can not provide for them, that's a very simple concept that most people should be aware of.

 

You have a very simplistic view of the world. "To a Mouse, on Turning Her Up in Her Nest with the Plough"[1] is a Scots poem written by Robert Burns in 1785,

 

 

Small, crafty, cowering, timorous little beast,
O, what a panic is in your little breast!
You need not start away so hasty
With argumentative chatter!
I would be loath to run and chase you,
With murdering plough-staff.

I'm truly sorry man's dominion
Has broken Nature's social union,
And justifies that ill opinion
Which makes thee startle
At me, thy poor, earth born companion
And fellow mortal!

I doubt not, sometimes, but you may steal;
What then? Poor little beast, you must live!
An odd ear in twenty-four sheaves
Is a small request;
I will get a blessing with what is left,
And never miss it.

Your small house, too, in ruin!
Its feeble walls the winds are scattering!
And nothing now, to build a new one,
Of coarse grass green!
And bleak December's winds coming,
Both bitter and keen!

You saw the fields laid bare and wasted,
And weary winter coming fast,
And cozy here, beneath the blast,
You thought to dwell,
Till crash! the cruel plough passed
Out through your cell.

That small bit heap of leaves and stubble,
Has cost you many a weary nibble!
Now you are turned out, for all your trouble,
Without house or holding,
To endure the winter's sleety dribble,
And hoar-frost cold.

But little Mouse, you are not alone,
In proving foresight may be vain:
The best laid schemes of mice and men
Go often awry,

And leave us nothing but grief and pain,
For promised joy!

Still you are blest, compared with me!
The present only touches you:
But oh! I backward cast my eye,
On prospects dreary!
And forward, though I cannot see,
I guess and fear!

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You have a very simplistic view of the world. "To a Mouse, on Turning Her Up in Her Nest with the Plough"[1] is a Scots poem written by Robert Burns in 1785,

 

 

I believe that when we cut through all of the BS surrounding many things, I find that many things are rather simplistic at their core.

 

I of course understand the point that you're attempting to make by posting that poem, but I don't agree that it applies well to this topic, as "best laid schemes" is the exact opposite of the plans that many people have. The warning signs are there for anybody to see, and yet they choose to ignore them, time and time again. That's quite the opposite of "best laid schemes" that may sometimes go awry.

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Some of you guys really need to get over yourselves. No, no one should be selling developer activations. That's crossing a line and shame on them. But, really?
If some superfan can't wait and just HAS to have IOS 6 on his iDevice, what's the big deal? It's gonna mystery crash, be incompatible with a lot of his apps, etc. Maybe he'll learn, maybe he won't. It's a lot like jail breaking... Generally a pain in the butt.
How many of us have $99 developer accounts that, strictly speaking, maybe we really don't qualify for? I'd be all over the IOS 6 beta but I've been down that road and life's too short. See paragraph two.
In the end we're not talking about curing hunger or a calamitous natural disaster... It's a phone.

From that point of view maybe nothing is wrong, butto do that you need to get your UDID registered to an iOS dev account and you can't do that without buying a spot for 7-10 US dollars right now.

 

Selling those spots is just plain wrong an violates your developer agreement you signed .

 

 

Can it be any more clear?

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post #27 of 52
Right. The only company that should release unreliable Beta versions to the public is Apple, and only when it needs a marquee feature to promote an otherwise (yawn) forgettable version upgrade. Siri-usly.

There is no way to cure hunger but there are ways to reduce it. Better farming/transportation infrastructure, better population control (including reproductive education and health care services) and government policies that encourage healthy choices rather than subsidies for unhealthy options.
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I thought, due to a lot of reading, that apple was trying to do away with UDID. I'm not as well read as some of you with technology, but wouldn't this show up in iOS 6? Meaning, now it's here! ...and by the way UDID doesn't work any more. No more tracking guys!
I'm generalizing of course, but are we seeing a new level of security that the Senators keep calling Apple out on?
I would love to hear Sol's well thought opinion of this.

 

Apple never said they were getting rid of UDID. What they've gotten rid of is the public API for apps to read the UDID.

 

In other words, the UDID is still there, and still used by Apple for device identification, but third party apps are no longer allowed to make use of it for tracking users.

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QFT. Also obnoxious and appalling.

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Some of you guys really need to get over yourselves. No, no one should be selling developer activations. That's crossing a line and shame on them. But, really?
Some people still believe in ethics and living up to your contractural obligations. I haven't looked in to the developer accounts, so I don't know the exact nature of the contract but apparently it restricts the sale of the materials discussed here.

If you are a businessman, do you really want to be doing business with somebody that has serious ethical issues.
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If some superfan can't wait and just HAS to have IOS 6 on his iDevice, what's the big deal? It's gonna mystery crash, be incompatible with a lot of his apps, etc. Maybe he'll learn, maybe he won't. It's a lot like jail breaking... Generally a pain in the butt.
Who really gives a damn about mr. superfan? The reality is superfan has nothing to do with this discussion, it really is about the people that agree to perform to a contracts specification and then do exactly what is prohibited.
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How many of us have $99 developer accounts that, strictly speaking, maybe we really don't qualify for?
Who judges qualifications? Again though the point is ethical behavior not your qualifications to make use of the developer account.
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I'd be all over the IOS 6 beta but I've been down that road and life's too short. See paragraph two.
In the end we're not talking about curing hunger or a calamitous natural disaster... It's a phone.
The phone has nothing to do with the discussion. Absolutely nothing, it is all about people that can't grasp that they are bound by a contract to do certain things.

Think about paint on your car, you walk into the shop and sign a contract to have it painted red. You come back a few days latter and find that the car was painted green, what would be your reaction? The color may be a small detail but it is be rather important to one party signed to the contract. More so if the painter can't live up to this point in the contract how do you know the rest of the specifications have been followed? The reality is if they played loose with the color they probably didn't pay attention to other terms agreed too.
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and there is another problem. Many of the morons running beta versions of iOS posted bad reviews of current apps bashing the app for not being compatible with the next release of iOS. In other words, morons were posting bad reviews of apps that were not compatible yet with a version of iOS not even released yet.

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The flip side to this is Apple's beta testing program is huge compared to just using developer paid accounts only.  All those people leaving 'Send Diagnostics' toggle on are helping Apple get a clearer picture of how iOS 6 is behaving in the world.

 

IMO, it only makes the OS better in the long run.

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I 100% agree with what Apple is doing.  If you don't want to pay the $99.00/Year, then you don't deserve to get the software - period.

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OS X Betas are *not* for public consumption, nor is the public entitled to something a vendor decided to *not* give them. Apple's philosophy is that the consumer sees the final, finished release, not some beta. The first impression is to be made from the release. 

 

 

Really? How's that working out for Siri?

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I've been buying UDID activations online since 4.0 Beta. I bought the iOS 6 beta UDID activation from an eBay seller for $4.99 and was activated within 2 minutes.
As a tinkerer who likes to stay on the bleeding edge, it was worth it to me. I don't mind a few crashes or incompatibilities here and there.

So because you are a tinkerer it is worth it to steal someone (or buy stolen) else's IP? Would the same thing apply if someone broke into your house, stole your large screen TV and sold it too me for a couple hundred bucks? I'm a tinkerer too and I'd love to have another large flat screen -- does that justify my actions then? Nuff said!
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Really? How's that working out for Siri?

Just fine thank you. This is a case where Apple chose to have a public beta. You need not participate.
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So because you are a tinkerer it is worth it to steal someone (or buy stolen) else's IP? Would the same thing apply if someone broke into your house, stole your large screen TV and sold it too me for a couple hundred bucks? I'm a tinkerer too and I'd love to have another large flat screen -- does that justify my actions then? Nuff said!

Except that no one broke in to steal Apple's TV in this case. They came in along with the friend (developer) Apple invited to make themselves at home and watch the game. It's just the friend told the invitee to bring a six-pack for him if he wanted to tag along. 


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Yea yea yea...and jailbreaking is awful, too, right? Because it's against "policy"? OS's are too much fun to wait for the final product. I'm not a drone. I can think for myself and nobody here will tell me what, where, or when my "first impression" is supposed to be.
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Originally Posted by malax View Post

 

 

And why would anyone pay $9 to have a beta version of iOS on their device?  Stupid all around.

 

 

Because they are big time Apple fans who want to get the new OS before their friends? 

 

ISTM that Apple will be disappointing rabid fans as a side affect.

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I've been buying UDID activations online since 4.0 Beta. I bought the iOS 6 beta UDID activation from an eBay seller for $4.99 and was activated within 2 minutes.
As a tinkerer who likes to stay on the bleeding edge, it was worth it to me. I don't mind a few crashes or incompatibilities here and there.

So they are violating eBay's terms of service too, and probably PayPal's.

 

If you really want to tinker and stay on the bleeding edge, join the developer's program and get access to some truly excellent developer resources (and support) rather than screwing around with this grey market stuff. 

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