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With OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion set to arrive this month, Apple's latest operating system will become available at least two months earlier than Microsoft's competing Windows 8.

The Redmond, Wash., software giant announced at its Worldwide Partner Conference on Monday that Windows 8 is on track to release to manufacturing in the first week of August, and will reach general availability by the end of October. That means new Windows 8 PCs will hit the market the same month.

Windows Chief Marketing Officer and Chief Financial Officer Tami Reller also announced that Windows 8 will be available in 109 languages across 231 markets worldwide. Customers will also be able to upgrade their existing Windows PCs to Windows 8 when it goes on sale in October.

Earlier reports had suggested Microsoft was eyeing an October launch for its next-generation operating system, but Monday marks the first official confirmation from the company that Windows 8 will in fact debut in October. No specific date in the month has been set.

Apple, meanwhile, is set to launch its own next-generation operating system, Mountain Lion, this month. No specific date has been given for Mountain Lion either, but it will debut in the Mac App Store for $19.99.

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In addition to Windows 8, Microsoft will also launch Windows RT, its new ARM-based operating system designed for tablet devices, in October. Presumably the company's new Surface tablet hardware will also launch that same month and take on Apple's new iPad for the holiday buying season.

October could prove to be a particularly busy month for the technology industry, as multiple reports have suggested Apple plans to launch its next iPhone that same month, one year after the debut of the iPhone 4S. Apple is also expected to introduce a new, smaller iPad before the end of the year that is rumored to become available ahead of the holiday shopping season.
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So now Apple knows when to ramp up Mac production. Thanks, Microsoft!

People are going to hate Windows 8. You can't take the Start Menu away from the average Windows user. They'll go insane. And they won't know how to turn their computer off anymore.

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So now Apple knows when to ramp up Mac production. Thanks, Microsoft!
I hope they new Macs and a new Mac-focused advertising campaign ready.
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People are going to hate Windows 8. You can't take the Start Menu away from the average Windows user. They'll go insane. And they won't know how to turn their computer off anymore.
I thought it was still there if you know the secret key combination.

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So now Apple knows when to ramp up Mac production. Thanks, Microsoft!
People are going to hate Windows 8. You can't take the Start Menu away from the average Windows user. They'll go insane. And they won't know how to turn their computer off anymore.

 

Yup, Gladys in Accounts Payable is gonna have a coronary if she can't find the link to Quicken anymore in her Start Menu.

 

And just wait 'till some guy in the executive suite spends half an hour trying to figure out how to start Powerpoint.  That'll be a career ender for any CTO's dumb enough to deploy this turkey, as well as the death knell for Windows 8.  

 

Leave it to Microsoft to rearrange the deck chairs on their Titanic and inconvenience millions of users in the process.

 

I predict #hate8 will become a trending Twitter tag within hours of the new OS's release...

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So now Apple knows when to ramp up Mac production. Thanks, Microsoft!
People are going to hate Windows 8. You can't take the Start Menu away from the average Windows user. They'll go insane. And they won't know how to turn their computer off anymore.

It is very annoying to use isn't it? A friend of mine running the beta got stuck in an app or what ever those tiles lead to and couldn't find a way out (I know you hover mouse at far right but he didn't) and he got so angry trying to get back the desktop that he slammed the PC's lid down hard, the PC laptop fell off his desk onto the tiles and smashed it. I only know about this as he called and asked me which MacBook was best the next day on his way to buy one.
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I thought it was still there if you know the secret key combination.

I have the perfect ad. A Mac user working away with a soft piano music in the background. VO ... "Macs are familiar, easy and enjoyable to use". Scene cuts to a man jumping up and down screaming "How do I get to the fracking desktop?" VO ... " Windows 8 not so much ..."
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I thought it was still there if you know the secret key combination.

They hid it in beside a bunch of 'charms' it seems:

http://www.theverge.com/2012/2/29/2832943/windows-8-new-start-button-hands-on-pictures-video

Ctrl-alt-del will do it too though.

For a company that makes most of its money from Windows, you think they'd be able to do a decent job with it by now and have a consistent UI.
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I thought it was still there if you know the secret key combination.

Two methods exist that I know. One, the Windows key on the keyboard. The other, you can also mouse over to the right edge of the screen and a little panel will slide out. Why not the left edge or top edge? I do not know. On this slide out, you will also see that is where they hide a link to the control panel. The side drawer is hard to activate while in a virtual machine.

That said, I don't like that method much. I don't like Windows 7's neutered start menu either, but at least I can work around the reasons why I don't like it a little better. If one had to have Windows, I'd rather pay $140 for W7 than take the $40 deal for W8. The start menu pushing Bing services, while nice, the pushy nature didn't sit well with me. I think they really failed the first impression on Windows 8. It didn't endear me to stick with it and get comfortable with it.
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I have the perfect ad. A Mac user working away with a soft piano music in the background. VO ... "Macs are familiar, easy and enjoyable to use". Scene cuts to a man jumping up and down screaming "How do I get to the fracking desktop?" VO ... " Windows 8 not so much ..."

 

Windows 8... Some ideas are so bad they simply 'unsell' themselves.

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Windows 8... Some ideas are so bad they simply 'unsell' themselves.

 

And...MS has announced a date.  Can anyone tell us when they launched on their announced date?  This should be interesting....

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Yup, Gladys in Accounts Payable is gonna have a coronary if she can't find the link to Quicken anymore in her Start Menu.

 

And just wait 'till some guy in the executive suite spends half an hour trying to figure out how to start Powerpoint.  That'll be a career ender for any CTO's dumb enough to deploy this turkey, as well as the death knell for Windows 8.  

 

If you are in the Metro UI, all you have to do is start typing the program's name. It doesn't even matter where the mouse is at the time. If employees can't figure that out the company is doomed. Although I doubt it will matter much. Most businesses will probably stick with Win 7 for awhile.

 

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I've tried the beta and it isn't anything I'd be interested in using. That said OSX freaked a lot of people out that came from OS9.
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So now Apple knows when to ramp up Mac production. Thanks, Microsoft!

 

Sometimes I wonder how much common sense you have for a moderator. Every Windows Release since XP has been in the October Timeframe, this is hardly some surprise or golden nugget. 

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And...MS has announced a date.  Can anyone tell us when they launched on their announced date?  This should be interesting....

It does seem reliable, and apart from UI complaints, like it is a shippable product. Unless they backtrack because of the flak, I think there's a good chance of making it.
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In the beginning, there was a Registry fix to get the Start Menu back. MS killed it. The Start Menu is Metro only. It is also true, shutting down a PC will be more difficult. I am low vision, and that is the ONLY reason I have a PC now. My iMac is sadly gathering dust. The W8 desktop is more efficient and faster than W7, but that is all. The Facebook and Twitter users MAY like Metro, but I am guessing Enterprise folks will hate it. I can see my very low-res PC with Windows 7. I need a 27 inch iMac, running at either 1080 or 720 vertical resolution. Without bending the NDA rules, what are my chances in ML? Is HiDPI only for retina displays?

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I thought it was still there if you know the secret key combination.

You give the common user far too much credit

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If you are in the Metro UI, all you have to do is start typing the program's name.

-kpluck

 

And Gladys in Accounts Payable is gonna know this HOW?

 

Like I said, Microsoft is rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.  They're "fixing" things that weren't broken in the first place...

 

Have they finally done away with that idiotic, corruption prone, virus loving Registry of theirs? 

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I have the perfect ad. A Mac user working away with a soft piano music in the background. VO ... "Macs are familiar, easy and enjoyable to use". Scene cuts to a man jumping up and down screaming "How do I get to the fracking desktop?" VO ... " Windows 8 not so much ..."

It will be the start of the next generation of 'I'm a Mac, I'm a PC' ads

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So now Apple knows when to ramp up Mac production. Thanks, Microsoft!
People are going to hate Windows 8. You can't take the Start Menu away from the average Windows user. They'll go insane. And they won't know how to turn their computer off anymore.

 

They usually turn off by themselves.

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Windows 8 is critical to M$'s tablet strategy in that it's the first (and only) version of Windows with a multitouch interface. I predict most IT shops will stick with Windows 7 for their PC's while consumers will use whatever came pre-loaded on their systems. Windows 8 could also find a niche on touchscreen PC's used in Retail. Mac users, for the most part will go on with their daily lives...
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Are you folks serious?     

 

The same people that would recommend that Windows users switch to the Mac ( no Start menu) because it's so much easier/intuitive are making such a big deal that Windows users won't be able to adapt to a few small changes in the Windows 8 interface, and yes, they are small once you've used them a couple of times.

 

I'm trying out Win8 on my retina MBP (so potential windows fanboy comments are just wrong) and I'm having no trouble at all.  Even with the cheaper upgrade cost most upgraders will be tech heads, who should be able to figure this stuff out anyway.   Many new Win8 sales will be with new tablets and computers with touch screens, where Win8 really does look good.     I love the live tiles, it's one thing I wish iOS would steal from Windows phones. 

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So now Apple knows when to ramp up Mac production. Thanks, Microsoft!
People are going to hate Windows 8. You can't take the Start Menu away from the average Windows user. They'll go insane. And they won't know how to turn their computer off anymore.

 

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Ctrl-alt-del will do it too though.

 

As long as they have CTRL, ALT, and DEL tiles everything should be good...

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It will be the start of the next generation of 'I'm a Mac, I'm a PC' ads

 

I miss those ads...

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As usual, you're speaking in broad strokes when you're not qualified to do so.

 

I love Windows 8.  And this fall when my cell contract is up, I'm giving Windows Phone a try.

 

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So now Apple knows when to ramp up Mac production. Thanks, Microsoft!
People are going to hate Windows 8. You can't take the Start Menu away from the average Windows user. They'll go insane. And they won't know how to turn their computer off anymore.
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I thought the Windows 8 interface looked familiar…. Mac OS 9 had a program in the early 90's called, "At Ease," that created large folders you could put on your desktop to launch via one-click, & not confuse you with the other stuff. It wasn't touch screen though, so MS probably invented that.

 

You know what? You've just brought back a series of old memories from when I was like 6 years old, in a world where we had one Windows 98 computer and one Mac (beige box, multi-coloured logo) computer per classroom. Although the 98 computer had virtually the same program.

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As usual, you're speaking in broad strokes when you're not qualified to do so.

Of course not. I certainly don't work with novice computer users or anything. You know, the kind of people who wig out when their icons or menu locations change due to an update.

Standard Microsoft users, is what I mean.
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It is very annoying to use isn't it? A friend of mine running the beta got stuck in an app or what ever those tiles lead to and couldn't find a way out (I know you hover mouse at far right but he didn't) and he got so angry trying to get back the desktop that he slammed the PC's lid down hard, the PC laptop fell off his desk onto the tiles and smashed it. I only know about this as he called and asked me which MacBook was best the next day on his way to buy one.

Come on...is that really true? I find it hard to believe

If so, I am LMAO

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I believe there is a 50% chance Microsoft fuc** this up

If so, I think there is a 50% chance this is THE catalyst that gets OSX to 20% share in the next 3 years

That's right folks, 25% chance my scenario plays out

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It is very annoying to use isn't it? A friend of mine running the beta got stuck in an app or what ever those tiles lead to and couldn't find a way out (I know you hover mouse at far right but he didn't) and he got so angry trying to get back the desktop that he slammed the PC's lid down hard, the PC laptop fell off his desk onto the tiles and smashed it. I only know about this as he called and asked me which MacBook was best the next day on his way to buy one.

Yep, I downloaded and played with the consumer edition of Windows 8 on my PC and it takes a while to figure it out. It will frustrate the hell out of millions of people to the point they will smash in their computer screens.
In typical Microsoft fashion, Windows 8 is not elegant, nor simple to use. Luckily, you'll be able to revert back to Windows 7.
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Luckily, you'll be able to revert back to Windows 7.

 

Or if it really traumatises you, Windows XP.

 

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In the beginning, there was a Registry fix to get the Start Menu back. MS killed it. The Start Menu is Metro only. It is also true, shutting down a PC will be more difficult. I am low vision, and that is the ONLY reason I have a PC now. My iMac is sadly gathering dust. The W8 desktop is more efficient and faster than W7, but that is all. The Facebook and Twitter users MAY like Metro, but I am guessing Enterprise folks will hate it. I can see my very low-res PC with Windows 7. I need a 27 inch iMac, running at either 1080 or 720 vertical resolution. Without bending the NDA rules, what are my chances in ML? Is HiDPI only for retina displays?

If I understand your problem correctly, the iMac 27" running 'Lion' has 13 screen resolutions: from 800x600 to 2560x1440. Both 1920x1080 and 1280x720 are supported, although there is some edge fuzziness. On a iMac 21" running 'Snow Leopard', one has about seven choices including 1280x720. At the moment,I see no reason why ML would offer less.

 

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Come on...is that really true? I find it hard to believe
If so, I am LMAO

Yep true and I even had the nerve to make a joke about the tiles ....
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Tried the dev preview, the consumer preview, and then the release preview.

 

All of them fresh local installs.

They were awful, buggy (even RP), and things like menus were incredibly inconsistent. Oh, and metro on anything other than a 7-10" tablet is nothing but an awful idea. They don't even give the consumers a choice.

 

It honestly looks like shit on my 24" monitor.

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Yep, I downloaded and played with the consumer edition of Windows 8 on my PC and it takes a while to figure it out. It will frustrate the hell out of millions of people to the point they will smash in their computer screens.
In typical Microsoft fashion, Windows 8 is not elegant, nor simple to use. Luckily, you'll be able to revert back to Windows 7.

What if it's a new PC with 8 installed? ... I doubt if you can revert to 7 then. Although I bet after a while MS will be offering a free down grade copy of 7 .... But they have a lot of experience with that sort of thing ...
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Tried the dev preview, the consumer preview, and then the release preview.

All of them fresh local installs.


They were awful, buggy (even RP), and things like menus were incredibly inconsistent. Oh, and metro on anything other than a 7-10" tablet is nothing but an awful idea. They don't even give the consumers a choice.

It honestly looks like shit on my 24" monitor.

So what are saying is Apple have Retina Display and Microsoft have Rectal Display.
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So what are saying is Apple have Retina Display and Microsoft have Rectal Display.

Metro on anything above 10" is definitely Rectal Display status.

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What if it's a new PC with 8 installed? ... I doubt if you can revert to 7 then. Although I bet after a while MS will be offering a free down grade copy of 7 .... But they have a lot of experience with that sort of thing ...

I recall they've done that before, at least in some circumstances. I have a notebook computer that has a Windows XP and 2000 license. I recall you could get XP downgrade for a computer with Vista installed. If 8 causes problems, then I can see 7 being offered as a fall back. I don't know what route they would take if there is significant push back on the start button/screen. Two options I can think is offer a download to get the old start UI or a downgrade.
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Oh, I think it's going to be a very bad launch. The Pro pad won't sell. The Windows RT pad will, but people will be mystified. And nobody will get the desktop OS. Windows 7: good. Windows 8: not good. Windows 9, apparently, will be all right.

 

Seriously, there's a lot of good work here, but there are too many options here. This AND that. A tablet-y desktop? Probably won't score with Windows people. The ability to run Windows apps on a tablet, they will find, is not desirable. They've already introduced that, 10 years ago. It requires a stylus, because trying to click to close the window with a finger will be a disaster. Windows RT will probably be a winner. 

 

What will this do with Windows? Probably not much that's good. 

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As usual, you're speaking in broad strokes when you're not qualified to do so.

 

I love Windows 8.  And this fall when my cell contract is up, I'm giving Windows Phone a try.

 

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