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Life is short. Make the most of it. It is so sad to see Steve Wozniak and Bill Gates now so "senile". Live everyday of your life like ~you~ want to. Because when you're 60 and backing a nonsense product, the sun has set on your horizon, and you will be put out to pasture by the market. I wish Steve Wozniak and Bill Gates all the best, and I admire their charitable work which clearly outclasses many people. But in terms of "the cool in thing", they are authorities no more, no more.

The MacBook Pro Retina and the iPad 7" will probably not really have the touch of "Steve".

To even suggest Steve Jobs "came back" to "Microsoft" is utterly insulting to his memory, at the very best.

Steve lives in all the products that came out up to the point of the Retina iPad. Beyond that, I see a bit of a divide now.

May The Divine Bless You Steve, wherever in this or another universe you are.

May you be reincarnated how you want to, not in Microsoft, for sure.
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You said it matey "we don't not know if it works yet" so why say how good it COULD BE! Wait until it is in the shops (?) then see how quickly it becomes as useful as you think - as Steve Jobs said people do not know what they want so he gave us all products were different. Now he is gone we all have a duty not to slide back to the crap old days again - making rubbish from rubbish is not interesting, this is war........

War? No idea what you are talking about. As for rubbish, that's what the Surface is and what Microsoft has become. Welcome to the post-PC world. Enjoy your stay.
post #163 of 203

sr2012 - my post is reffering to the Surface (rubbish made from rubbish) - I am an Apple dude - you got it wrong way around in your post, I'm already in the post PC world  - the 'war' is against a resurgence of MS crap. Stick with Job's vision and give people what they do not know about - read his book ;)

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Oh my...

There is nothing more to say!
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I said it before he died and I'll say it again....Jobs was a dick, a good salesman with grand ideas, but still a dick. I still love the quote about his anger towards Google "copying" iOS and wanting to waste every penny of Apple's money to go "thermonuclear" on Google. Real level-headed guy. I hope people still remember where Jobs got the idea of the Macintosh OS from...oh the irony (and yes I lived through that time).
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I like rubbish cheap wine - does not make me a wine connoiseur, Woz likes rubbish gadgets that aren't developed + produced = ignore him, just another cupboard closet MS geek who has a grudge against Apple.

If only you knew how crazy you sound.  I mean come on, re-read your post and ask yourself if that's seriously what you believe.

 

Some immaturity of fanboys on the internet never ceases to depress.

post #168 of 203
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That's the genius of Woz!

I don't think anyone's saying that Woz wasn't a good engineer. Clearly, he had the ability to do some brilliant things 30+ years ago.

The question, though, is why that makes his opinion on modern consumer devices relevant. His ability to design a printed circuit board doesn't make him an expert in UI design or evaluating a modern phone or tablet ecosystem. Heck, his ability to solder a printed circuit board doesn't even make him an expert in evaluating modern phone hardware.

I would go even further - his engineering genius probably makes him LESS qualified to comment on modern phones than the average person. He's a geek. Maybe the king geek. Uber geek. Emperor of geeks. If you're a geek who likes assembling your own printed circuit boards, compiling your OS, hacking all the devices you have, then his opinion is probably relevant. If you're an average user? Not so much.
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post #169 of 203
The Surface is about getting far more expensive software, which Microsoft make a lot of money from, onto tablets. The iPad model is based on insanely inexpensive software that Microsoft does not profit off of, certainly not in any appreciable manner.

If a lot more consumers are turning to their iPads more often and iPads become progressively more capable - which they will - that's bad news for a major player in software running on traditional computer platforms. So of course it is in Microsoft's best interests to get standard (and far more expensive) software running on tablets.

It is ironic that Apple's closed system has led to access to absurdly inexpensive software from a wide variety of software developers whereas the open system favored by Microsoft has ended up making Microsoft insane amounts of money.

Is this Jobs re-born? Not quite.
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Other than dating Kathy Griffiths he hasn't done anything of note for at least 30 years...

 

I just threw up in my mouth thinking about that one...

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post #171 of 203
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It could just as easily be said that without Woz there would be no Apple -- there would be nothing [hardware or software] for Jobs to market -- nothing for Markkula, et al to use to build a company.

I disagree. Jobs was a visionary. He was an opportunist. He saw how he could use people to achieve a goal. Perhaps even goals those people didn't think they could achieve. If he hadn't found Woz he would have found someone else, something else, to change the world. He might not have started Apple but I think he would have changed the world in the some way.

Jobs simply has too many amazing wins under his belt to call it a fluke. Even his biggest failure, NeXT, was sold for half-billion dollars, is the foundation for the world's 2nd most common OS, was the start of so many great things in computing, and was really only hampered because he couldn't sell in the consumer sector.

Woz is brilliant. No one is denying that. Woz would have always become a brilliant engineer without Jobs, but I doubt that Woz would be a name we know today without Jobs. Perhaps he would be a footnote in history somewhere the way many brilliant people are that never became the face of a revolution. He might have stayed at HP because it's a good job that paid him very well and appreciated his work. He might have set HP so far ahead of the industry that the world might still be chasing them and their OS today but I don't think Woz would be known as the sole engineer responsible for it all even if he was the catalyst.

I know many brilliant people. Perhaps not as brilliant as Woz at engineering, but people that are far smarter than the average person (several of them from this forum) and yet most of them all have one thing in common, they don't have the drive or passion to be as quixotic or hubristic to think they can actually change the world. I would say they all wish they can, but like me, they've done nothing that ever seriously achieve that goal. That is the element I think Woz and the rest of us are missing. That is the element that Jobs had.
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post #172 of 203
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I disagree. Jobs was a visionary. He was an opportunist. He saw how he could use people to achieve a goal. Perhaps even goals those people didn't think they could achieve. If he hadn't found Woz he would have found someone else, something else, to change the world. He might not have started Apple but I think he would have changed the world in the some way.
Jobs simply has too many amazing wins under his belt to call it a fluke. Even his biggest failure, NeXT, was sold for half-billion dollars, is the foundation for the world's 2nd most common OS, was the start of so many great things in computing, was really only hampered because he worked at Apple and therefore couldn't sell in the consumer sector.
Woz is brilliant. No one is denying that. Woz would have always become a brilliant engineer without Jobs but I doubt that Woz would be a name we know today without Jobs. Perhaps he would be a footnote in history somewhere the way many brilliant people are that never became the face of a revolution. He might have stayed at HP because it's a good job that paid him very well and appreciated his work. He might have set HP so far ahead of the industry that the world might still be chasing them and their OS today but I don't that Woz would be known as the sole engineer responsible for it all.
I know many brilliant people. Perhaps not as brilliant as Woz at engineering, but people that are far smarter than the average person (several of them from this forum) and yet most of them all have one thing in common, they don't have the drive or passion to be as quixotic or hubristic to think they can actually change the world. I would say they all wish they can, but like me, they've done nothing that ever seriously achieve that goal. That is the element I think Woz and the rest of us are missing. That is the element that Jobs had.

 



A full quote... because ya hit it outa the park with this post Soli!

 

Makes everyone sit up and think a bit, doesn't it? Well... not "everyone": we know who they are still pondering their "soup". Problem is, they don't know yet... and probably never will. <sigh>

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post #173 of 203

I have no problem with Woz touting Android, Windows, or any other tech but either being deceitful or ignorant in claiming that a reincarnated Steve Jobs would create this gimmick notebook with the Win 8 Metro UI mess, stylus and keyboard.  Jobs specifically planned the iPad without a keyboard and stylus. 

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At the point when you become senile, you should just quit talking.

post #175 of 203

Microsoft Surface. WHO CARES!!! Nothing new. Moving along. Its an iPad + Bluetooth keyboard but with a crappy UI.

 

The only true competitor was WebOS till HP backed out.

post #176 of 203
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I disagree. Jobs was a visionary. He was an opportunist. He saw how he could use people to achieve a goal. Perhaps even goals those people didn't think they could achieve. If he hadn't found Woz he would have found someone else, something else, to change the world. He might not have started Apple but I think he would have changed the world in the some way.
Jobs simply has too many amazing wins under his belt to call it a fluke. Even his biggest failure, NeXT, was sold for half-billion dollars, is the foundation for the world's 2nd most common OS, was the start of so many great things in computing, and was really only hampered because he couldn't sell in the consumer sector.
Woz is brilliant. No one is denying that. Woz would have always become a brilliant engineer without Jobs, but I doubt that Woz would be a name we know today without Jobs. Perhaps he would be a footnote in history somewhere the way many brilliant people are that never became the face of a revolution. He might have stayed at HP because it's a good job that paid him very well and appreciated his work. He might have set HP so far ahead of the industry that the world might still be chasing them and their OS today but I don't think Woz would be known as the sole engineer responsible for it all even if he was the catalyst.
I know many brilliant people. Perhaps not as brilliant as Woz at engineering, but people that are far smarter than the average person (several of them from this forum) and yet most of them all have one thing in common, they don't have the drive or passion to be as quixotic or hubristic to think they can actually change the world. I would say they all wish they can, but like me, they've done nothing that ever seriously achieve that goal. That is the element I think Woz and the rest of us are missing. That is the element that Jobs had.

Oddly, I agree! Had Jobs been the HP engineer who created the Apple I -- he would have convinced HP to take it on!

Woz has drive and passion but it is circumscribed by what he knows, likes and feels comfortable with.

Jobs had unlimited hyper-drive and passion!
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At the point when you become senile, you should just quit talking.

...or posting!
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Oddly, I agree! Had Jobs been the HP engineer who created the Apple I -- he would have convinced HP to take it on!
Woz has drive and passion but it is circumscribed by what he knows, likes and feesl comfortable with.
Jobs had unlimited hyper-drive and passion!

1) It's not odd that you agree with me. It just means you are intelligent enough to recognize genius. 😷

2) I see Woz and Jobs as looking in different directions. Woz took a microscope to tech to see how he could make it better whilst Jobs took a telescope to see how he could move the stars to suit his needs. Both with a vision. Both with dedication and focus. Both fundamentally different personalities and goals. I wonder how much of Jobs is based on his environment and how much is based on his biological acumen. Nature v. nurture. I ask this because it seems to me that being successful is usually not a result of being smart but being dedicated and much of Jobs success seems not to be a desire for understanding and knowing (as I see with Woz) but a desire to conquer, to control, to shape. Surely I've gone off track here but I do wonder if abandonment issues are key to his overwhelming success in business.
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I have no problem with Woz touting Android, Windows, or any other tech but either being deceitful or ignorant in claiming that a reincarnated Steve Jobs would create this gimmick notebook with the Win 8 Metro UI mess, stylus and keyboard.  Jobs specifically planned the iPad without a keyboard and stylus. 

It is difficult to assign motive, personality traits or intelligence to someone without having direct contact with that person.

I had frequent contact with Woz in the years 1978-1989... I can assure you that Woz was neither deceitful nor ignorant. I have not seen Woz in person since 1989, but have seen his videos and read his published thoughts... I don't believe that Woz has acquired the traits you ascribe to him.

Let me give you some examples of Woz in action:

Woz would often drop by our main store in Sunnyvale* -- often to buy things, see what was happening in the world of computing outside of Apple... or just show the flag. Often he would be accompanied by friends like Andy Hertzfeld, Bruce "Tog" Togazinni -- many of whom he attracted to come to work at Apple.

* Located at Fremont and Mary in Sunnyvale, Computer Plus was about 7/10 mile from Apple headquarters and a few blocks from Woz' parents house in Sunnyvale. Woz' younger brother Mark was a 1/3 owner of our stores.


John Draper "Cap'n Crunch" was a compatriot of the 2 Steves from the "phone-phreaking" days. Draper was an odd character, technically competent with few friends. Draper lived in a minimum-security prison somewhere in the East Bay (AIR, he was convicted of defrauding AT&T). Draper had a mind full of technical ideas and no way to express them -- as there was no computer gear available to him at the prison. Every month or so, Woz would pick up Draper and bring him to our Sunnyvale store... so draper could get hands on computer time -- Draper was writing EasyWriter (in Forth), the initial WP program for the IBM/PC.

Woz would spend quite a few hours baby-sitting Draper** and ferrying him back and forth to the prison. Woz was rich, busy and important -- this was a completely selfless act on behalf of a friend... We'd all benefit from a friend like Woz.

** Draper had a volatile personality with child-like mannerisms. When he encountered a programming problem, it was not unusual for Draper to stand up and scream at customers and staff, alike: "I can't concentrate... Stop talking!". Woz would treat Draper like a child and calm him down... rinse and repeat. (our customers and staff were alerted to Draper's potential fits of behavior and just ignored him... God help someone if he came into the store smoking a cigarette).


The absolute dumbest thing I ever saw Woz do was the Porsche saga:

Woz bought an entry-level Porsche (I don't recall the model number). Woz liked the car, but realized that he should have bought the next model up. So, instead of selling and rebuying he decided to rebuild his model to the equivalent of the next higher model. Every week or so, Woz would come by the store to show off the progress on his upgrade... one time it would be Recaro seats (at $1,600 a pop), a new engine or just the latest tune up. It was like a TV mini-series, and we could hardly wait for the next episode.

One day, Woz came into the store smiling from ear to ear... the upgrade was finished (at about double the cost of the higher model). Anyway, Woz wanted to show off, so he offered to take me on a mini-tour of the back roads of Sunnyvale and Cupertino... a 4-5 mile drive. Long story, short -- the tour took about 45 minutes and the "finished car" never got above 13 MPH.

I never did see Woz drive that (or any) Porsche again... I guess the mini-siries was cancelled.


In summary, Woz was/is ia nice guy, supportive, open, helpful (a tad naive, maybe) -- but never deceitful or ignorant!


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1) It's not odd that you agree with me. It just means you are intelligent enough to recognize genius. 😷
2) I see Woz and Jobs as looking in different directions. Woz took a microscope to tech to see how he could make it better whilst Jobs took a telescope to see how he could move the stars to suit his needs. Both with a vision. Both with dedication and focus. Both fundamentally different personalities and goals. I wonder how much of Jobs is based on his environment and how much is based on his biological acumen. Nature v. nurture. I ask this because it seems to me that being successful is usually not a result of being smart but being dedicated and much of Jobs success seems not to be a desire for understanding and knowing (as I see with Woz) but a desire to conquer, to control to shape. Surely I've gone off track here I do wonder if abandonment issues aren't key to his overwhelming success in business.

Very good point (the second one) -- and nicely expressed -- I particularly like the microscope/telescope analog.

As to going off track, we'll just call you Sol Krauthammer!
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Two questions:

 

1.  Why does Woz keep talking about technology as if he is relevant and influencing innovation?

 

2.  Why do people keep quoting Woz as if he is relevant and influencing innovation?

Still riding the 15 minutes he renewed when he guested on TBBT?

 

But at least he hasn't bought some dumb island......

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Very good point (the second one)...

But not the first one? lol 😉

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I disagree. Jobs was a visionary. He was an opportunist. He saw how he could use people to achieve a goal. Perhaps even goals those people didn't think they could achieve. If he hadn't found Woz he would have found someone else, something else, to change the world. He might not have started Apple but I think he would have changed the world in the some way.
Jobs simply has too many amazing wins under his belt to call it a fluke. Even his biggest failure, NeXT, was sold for half-billion dollars, is the foundation for the world's 2nd most common OS, was the start of so many great things in computing, and was really only hampered because he couldn't sell in the consumer sector.
Woz is brilliant. No one is denying that. Woz would have always become a brilliant engineer without Jobs, but I doubt that Woz would be a name we know today without Jobs. Perhaps he would be a footnote in history somewhere the way many brilliant people are that never became the face of a revolution. He might have stayed at HP because it's a good job that paid him very well and appreciated his work. He might have set HP so far ahead of the industry that the world might still be chasing them and their OS today but I don't think Woz would be known as the sole engineer responsible for it all even if he was the catalyst.
I know many brilliant people. Perhaps not as brilliant as Woz at engineering, but people that are far smarter than the average person (several of them from this forum) and yet most of them all have one thing in common, they don't have the drive or passion to be as quixotic or hubristic to think they can actually change the world. I would say they all wish they can, but like me, they've done nothing that ever seriously achieve that goal. That is the element I think Woz and the rest of us are missing. That is the element that Jobs had.

 

Most sound, logical and thought out post yet. Thanks Soli...

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Where's his respect for a dead person who is not here to answer back or refute his dumb comment?

 

Steve Jobs would not have liked his comment.

 FFS grow up crayon boy. He was paying (his friend) Jobs a compliment.

 

You bemoan the fact that the dead can not defend/express themselves, then you qualify yourself as a mouth piece for the dead. Are you a psychic or just a hypocrite?

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This could not be more inaccurate. In the iPad1 keynote, Jobs -humorously I might add- says that tablets "do nothing  better."  While this thing is not a tablet,  it has unnecessary openings, hinges, keyboard, etc. I could not see this coming out of Cupertino. 

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The Surface is about getting far more expensive software, which Microsoft make a lot of money from, onto tablets. The iPad model is based on insanely inexpensive software that Microsoft does not profit off of, certainly not in any appreciable manner.
If a lot more consumers are turning to their iPads more often and iPads become progressively more capable - which they will - that's bad news for a major player in software running on traditional computer platforms. So of course it is in Microsoft's best interests to get standard (and far more expensive) software running on tablets.
It is ironic that Apple's closed system has led to access to absurdly inexpensive software from a wide variety of software developers whereas the open system favored by Microsoft has ended up making Microsoft insane amounts of money.
Is this Jobs re-born? Not quite.
Eh? Microsoft make money from Microsoft software. The price of PC software in general has nothing to do with Microsoft. Plus there always has been the equivalent free / cheap software for pcs, it's called shareware! Apps are essentially shareware, they even now have the adds and purchases after you've bought the thing.
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This could not be more inaccurate. In the iPad1 keynote, Jobs -humorously I might add- says that tablets "do nothing  better."  While this thing is not a tablet,  it has unnecessary openings, hinges, keyboard, etc. I could not see this coming out of Cupertino. 

What hour and minute marker did he state that and/or what is his exact comment?

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This guy is trying sso hard to still be relevant, he really does say anything about anything. I mean i`ll give him credit for the early work he did at Apple but like this guy seems to understand little when it comes to the full package. Even if the surface by chance was a fantastic product, no microsoft product would in anyway or form be a reincarnation of Steve Jobs, thats insulting. Microsoft lacks the vision to hold one clear company direction together. Admittedly, I think they are doing much better at consistancy and really creating a theme across the board but I really doubt their ability to keep it up, especially when they dont produce 90% of the hardware their products are made on.

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This guy is trying sso hard to still be relevant, he really does say anything about anything. I mean i`ll give him credit for the early work he did at Apple but like this guy seems to understand little when it comes to the full package. Even if the surface by chance was a fantastic product, no microsoft product would in anyway or form be a reincarnation of Steve Jobs, thats insulting. Microsoft lacks the vision to hold one clear company direction together. Admittedly, I think they are doing much better at consistancy and really creating a theme across the board but I really doubt their ability to keep it up, especially when they dont produce 90% of the hardware their products are made on.

it should be obvious to everyone that Woz simply craves public attention, and will say/do most anything to get it. stand in lines for the iPhone, so as to be sure to be interviewed on camera. give out over-the-top quotes to anyone willing to print them - which these days is guaranteed to get web posting.

 

well, ok, so do the Kardashians. but when he uses Jobs' memory as a tech trash talk attention-getter, then he has crossed some line of basic lack of respect.

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The Microsoft Surface is the future of computing. Even if it fails as a device it is the direction all tablets are going. The Wacom was out a long time ago and so were the Slates. Tablet computers will be on par with laptops in the near future. From then on will be the battle between personal choices of tablet versus laptop. Many people now prefer having a keyboard for all of their input and others don't need one, thus; a rudimentary keyboard on the touch screen is good enough.

The track record of Microsoft and making hardware this complicated isn't good. They have learned lessons from their mistakes of the past. The Surface might actually work as advertised.

Woz is a tech junkie and he really should create a tech review site. He could become the most relevant reviewer almost instantly. As a guy who can actually understand and even build a high tech device he would have instant credibility.

I'm sure Woz could totally destroy the Surface if he gave it a bad review.
 

You and MS just don't get the tablet market.  95% of us don't want or need to use it as an input device.  When I go on trips I take my iPad and my MacBook Air.  Some things are just better viewed and navigated on a touch screen and some things are better created with a laptop.  The reason the market will not adopt the Surface is because the keyboard and the screen need to be connected with a swivel so you can change the angle of the screen depending on what you are doing.  If you concede that the keyboard has to be rigid and attached in a pivoting fashion, the keyboard is going to significantly add to the size and weight of the device, thereby compromising the tablet form factor. 

The devices are different: the hardware is different, the input mechanisms are different, the OS is different......  Unfortunately for the shareholders of MS stock, it doesn't look like MS management is ever going to figure this out.

For many of us, the failure of MS Surface is as obvious as the failure of RIM was 2 years ago. Mark my words FAILURE.  

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You and MS just don't get the tablet market.  95% of us don't want or need to use it as an input device.  When I go on trips I take my iPad and my MacBook Air.  Some things are just better viewed and navigated on a touch screen and some things are better created with a laptop.  The reason the market will not adopt the Surface is because the keyboard and the screen need to be connected with a swivel so you can change the angle of the screen depending on what you are doing.  If you concede that the keyboard has to be rigid and attached in a pivoting fashion, the keyboard is going to significantly add to the size and weight of the device, thereby compromising the tablet form factor. 

The devices are different: the hardware is different, the input mechanisms are different, the OS is different......  Unfortunately for the shareholders of MS stock, it doesn't look like MS management is ever going to figure this out.

For many of us, the failure of MS Surface is as obvious as the failure of RIM was 2 years ago. Mark my words FAILURE.  

 ??? Not sure that i understand your point

 

The (thinner) keyboard is only adding 3mm to the overall thickness. With regard to the angle that the screen sits at, I don't know if the kick stand allows for different angles or not. I seldom feel it necessary to reposition my laptop screen? Frankly when typing more than a few words I find on screen keyboards to be annoying, given how much screen real estate they take up. I also prefer to type in the horizontal plane and have my screen tilted. I would rather that the screen was at eye level (without needing to look down) but this is not the case with current laptops.

 

Sure, there is an element of compromise with the Surface, as there is with laptops and tablets, for me personally those downsides might (or might not) be ameliorated by the upsides.

 

If by your definition I am a 5%er, then so be it. I am glad that someone is willing to cater for my needs. Frankly I don't care a jot if 95% of the (small base of) tablet owners have a different product.

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...or posting!

 

Hey Dick follow your own advice.

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Hey Dick follow your own advice.

 

Don't be a dick!

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Don't be a dick!

Unless you're going be a Dickprinter or Dick Applebaum.
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sr2012 - my post is reffering to the Surface (rubbish made from rubbish) - I am an Apple dude - you got it wrong way around in your post, I'm already in the post PC world  - the 'war' is against a resurgence of MS crap. Stick with Job's vision and give people what they do not know about - read his book 1wink.gif

OK cool I 100% agree with you.
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If only you knew how crazy you sound.  I mean come on, re-read your post and ask yourself if that's seriously what you believe.

Some immaturity of fanboys on the internet never ceases to depress.

I'm with BladeDag though. Woz likes the "cheap wine", his taste seems to have gone downhill. Backed too many crappy gadgets.
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At the point when you become senile, you should just quit talking.

It's sad to see Bill Gates go downhill like this.
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Upon further reflection, I feel Steve Wozniak has been utterly disrespectful and has betrayed Steve Jobs.
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sr2012 - my post is reffering to the Surface (rubbish made from rubbish) - I am an Apple dude - you got it wrong way around in your post, I'm already in the post PC world  - the 'war' is against a resurgence of MS crap. Stick with Job's vision and give people what they do not know about - read his book 1wink.gif
Lol. Read that back, "post pc", "war", "apple dude". Haven't read most of the thread, but you sound like a brainwashed monkey.
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Lol. Read that back, "post pc", "war", "apple dude". Haven't read most of the thread, but you sound like a brainwashed monkey.

Exactly what is "post pc" anyway?

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Exactly what is "post pc" anyway?

It's a label for a vision in which the traditional PC (Windows or Mac) isn't the primary computing device that people use most of the time. For example, a growing number of people don't need a PC to get on the Internet today: smartphones, iPads offer the easiest and most convenient on-ramp without all the overhead of owning a PC (weekly Windows updates, mandatory reboots, virus scanning, cleaning up temp files on your disk, rotating login passwords, updating drivers, running defrag, solving general PC problems). That wasn't the case 10 years ago, when mobile networks were terrible, mobile phones were crude and terrible at web browsing, wifi was non-existent, and tablets were heavy Windows convertible laptops with clunky pen input and unusefully short battery lives.

Yes, the laptop has made the PC more portable, but it hasn't reached and will never reach the level of pervasiveness of, say, pocketable smartphones. I can check emails and the web, or tweet without a PC while waiting in the checkout line. Instant-on, no waiting, always available. A traditional PC can't compete with that.

The post-PC era (as Steve Jobs used it) didn't mean the PC went away, as some Windows fans seem to think. Or that post PC devices had to do everything that PCs do to be relevant (the "it's just a toy" argument). It is simply no longer the only choice for doing the things that traditionally required computers. I would argue that for being connected to the web, it is actually better. And by Steve's estimation, the PC will one day be relegated to certain niches. The PC hasn't reached niche status yet, but don't be so quick to dismiss Steve's prescience. Doubters should bookmark this post and come back in 5 years when things have settled down.

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