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Do you think he meant Microsoft will begin producing desktop and laptop computers? How can he say this and also mention working with their partners? He might as well walk up to his partners and say "We are going to gradually do all we can to undercut your business, but; we'll be glad to continue selling our software to you because we are very proud to be your partner." How soon until they get together and drop Microsoft? Will it be the Asian companies that do it first or will HP or Dell step up to the challenge?

 

I think it's called a death spiral ....
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The picture was probably Photoshopped. lol.gif

Ewe, pity the artist ... think of all that sweat and flab he had to cut off ...
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post #43 of 132

I'm so glad to hear that the Zune and the Kin are making their triumphant return!

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Microsoft is where Apple was in the mid 90's.  Trying to do everything everywhere.  When SJ came in, he killed everything that Apple couldn't excel at.  No camera, no printer, no 40 models of the same computer, etc.  Apple focused on their core, and then slowly expanded to where they are today.  If they realize they can no longer be competent in a space, they dump it and move on.

 

Microsoft lacks this focus.  Nobody can be the best at everything.  It's not realistic, and the consumer doesn't want that.  Microsoft needs to focus on what it can do, and do those things well.  Look at what Apple did.  Do they compete in the server market?  Nope, not even close.  They focused their energy as a company and decided they are focused on the end user and the home computing space.  This focus allows for better products.  Microsoft wants to be everything for everyone.  The whole metro interface is kinda interesting on a tablet, but for a desktop OS it's a puddle of crap.  Apple realized this, and the two OS's are completely different. (although the desktop OS is gaining some tablet like interface options, presumably for touch screen capabilities on the mac)

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You know however much I detest Google's theft of Apple's IP, having worked in this industry since the 1970's I have to say Microsoft is the one I want to see die because of IP theft. At least Google have some great products in addition to the stuff they ripped off. Microsoft not so much.
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post #46 of 132
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Microsoft Chief Executive Steve Ballmer has said in a new interview that his company is "not going to leave any stone unturned" in competing against Apple.
Ballmer said Microsoft intends to make it "absolutely clear" that the company plans to compete in any market against Apple, according to CRN. He said Microsoft plans to "innovate everywhere" and bring its partners along for the ride
So they "intend" to make it absolutely clear, that they "plan"  to compete in any market against Apple...... 
That sounds like a lot of intending to plan. Plus, competing does not mean that they can even score. You can compete and still come in last place. 
post #47 of 132

So wait, he's actually saying they haven't been competing? What was WinMo or the Zune? Or Windows Phone 7? Or previous tablets? This is the best reason yet to give this guy the heave-ho. What the hell has Microsoft been doing? Were these products all "hobbies" ? And their answer is more of the same; a tablet running a desktop OS, that for some reason people will want to buy now. If the enterprise wanted tablets running Windows, THEY WOULD'VE BOUGHT THEM OVER THE PAST DECADE! That never happened. The tablet's "killer" app is not an office productivity suite. The iPad's killer app is the OS; it is an extremely low maintenance operating system requiring very little support. Microsoft will never get that. They can't. They're enslaved by their need to make sure their cash cows--Windows and Office--will remain the center of attention. As soon as they concede and start pushing a new platform, Windows starts dropping. The ironic thing about this is that it is already happening. The iPad is nibbling away at Windows grasp of the computer market, much, much more effectively than Mac OS X ever could or will. 

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post #48 of 132
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I'm so glad to hear that the Zune and the Kin are making their triumphant return!

The next Zune is called the Monkey Box.
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post #49 of 132

Innovation? What exactly has Microsoft innovated? Most of what makes Microsoft has either been bought, stolen or copied!!

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mergers_and_acquisitions_by_Microsoft

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post #50 of 132
Wasn't Ballmer barely 3 years ago laughing off the Apple threat?

And now . . . he's openly admitting to Apple's power. Which is also a tacit admission that he's been asleep at the wheel all this time.
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Apple should worry more about Samsung which is selling 10 million Galaxy phones per month, while the iPhone 5 with only the 4 inch screen will be 3 months late to market by September.

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Most of what makes Microsoft has either been bought, stolen or copied!!

Same with Apple. It's what Microsoft didn't legally acquire that makes them the villain.
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Apple should worry more about Samsung which is selling 10 million Galaxy phones per month, while the iPhone 5 with only the 4 inch screen will be 3 months late to market by September.

Oh, I'm sorry, you said worried, so I thought you'd have a real threat there…

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post #53 of 132
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"not on our watch" if this refers to his tenure at the helm, then it won't be much longer that he'll be competing in every segment that Apple is in.  Based on his performance, he can't be much longer at microsoft.

Sadly, if the board wasn't willing to get rid of him before now, what's going to prompt them in the near future? Continued flat performance of their stock? Continued losses in all but their core Windows and Office business units?
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Aside from the idiocy of his statements, I have to wonder what's wrong with their PR and marketing people. They have umpteen bazillion dollars and Ballmer has plenty of money of his own. Yet they couldn't come up with a picture that looks better than a drivers' license photo?

What are you talking about?! The picture is part of the new campaign and shows a confident Balmer in front of the MS answer to Apple's glass staircase, arms supported on the new minimal display surfaces based upon the Apple Store's blond wood display tables. It may not look like much to you but MS research shows that people won't notice it isn't glass and who knows... maybe it won't matter, right? Balmer is on fire, so cut the guy a break. 

post #55 of 132

Is it just me, or does Ballmer remind anybody else of Monty Python's quadriplegic Black Knight, screaming at Apple:  "Come back here  you coward; I'll bite your ankles off!"

post #56 of 132

http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/death_knell/

 

yeah right Ballmer, you complete phucktard. Wipe that self satisfying engratiation smirk off your face. All you do is surround yourself in marketing toerags all day, bleating about whatever it is they bleat about. running a company that hs no idea about how to design great systems. And fools buy the crap

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post #58 of 132

Ballmer admitting that Microsoft can't create it's own market segment, so it is going to copy those who are successful in theirs. This company needs to die.

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In the decade since Steve Ballmer has been at the helm of Microsoft, their market share has dwindled, their market capitalization has been flat, they have released stale and uninteresting products, and watched as Apple has passed them by nearly every metric.  Ballmer made fun of both the iPhone and the iPad, both of which when added to the iPod and iTunes Store have resulted in revenue to Apple that is nearly as much as Microsoft's market cap.  So Ballmer does not understand the market his company is operating in and clearly doesn't know how to compete and the result has been a negative for his investors when you account for inflation.  Ballmer should be removed and replaced.

post #60 of 132

Blew milk out of my nose when I read this...

 

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"Ballmer said Microsoft intends to make it "absolutely clear" that the company plans to compete in any market against Apple, according to CRN. He said Microsoft plans to "innovate everywhere"

 

Soooo...MS has had what, almost two decades to execute their plans?  Ballmer is right on top of things!

 

I'd imagine the first "to do" of these grandiouse plans is to close the barn door. 

 

Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans” 

~ John Lennon

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post #62 of 132
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Is it just me, or does Ballmer remind anybody else of Monty Python's quadriplegic Black Knight, screaming at Apple:  "Come back here  you coward; I'll bite your ankles off!"

 

This!  (Except it was legs...even better.)

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=dhRUe-gz690#t=240s


Edited by richsadams - 7/10/12 at 2:58pm
post #63 of 132
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Originally Posted by Zoolook View Post

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He said Microsoft plans to "innovate everywhere"

That's not really innovation at all, which really confirms what is obvious about Balmer. He doesn't understand innovation at all.

In fact, the entire statement just screams "we're going to follow Apple everywhere and stifle their innovation wherever we can".  He really is a monkey.

 

What, me innovate?
Embrace, extend, extinguish.
That's the Microsoft way.

I don't dismiss a threat from Microsoft, however. They don't give up, except in the case of KIN. And Zune. And PlaysForSure. They innovate by buying other companies that innovate. And Ballmer is a survivor. Somehow, the board of directors seems to like him.

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post #64 of 132
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Original quote... "Ballmer said Microsoft intends to make it "absolutely clear" that the company plans to compete in any market against Apple, according to CRN. He said Microsoft plans to "innovate everywhere" and bring its partners along for the ride."

 

Considering the recent Surface** announcement debacle, I interpret it more like... "take its partners for a ride."

 

** After the 1st quarter sales shipped figures, probably renamed "Surplus".

lol! lol.gif

post #65 of 132

Translation:  "We've never been able to come up with anything on our own, and never will, therefore we'll just copy everything Apple does and claim ours is original and/or better."

post #66 of 132
One word: Zune

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post #67 of 132

Perhaps if Ballmer had taken this attitude - instead of being so dismissive of the iPhone - back in 2007, Microsoft wouldn't be in the mess they're in today.

 

RIM basically took the same attitude back then too and the company is now probably doomed because of it. Microsoft are just lucky they have other revenue streams to fall back on.

 


Edited by Rennaisance - 7/10/12 at 3:08pm
post #68 of 132
Quit your day job Ballmer - you can be a comedian.

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But of course they will. Microsoft has always had that mentality. They think they have to compete in every single market. It worked out for them for awhile, but the loss of focus hurt them in the long term. Apple is only in a few markets. But what markets it does compete in, it does well, partly because of focus. Ballmer needs to compete in the ability to focus on doing a few things well. (As an aside, Microsoft's compulsive need to have a thumb in every orifice of the body electric seems very much like Google's)

post #70 of 132

I understand the Washington Generals have named Ballmer honorary captain.

post #71 of 132
His comment implies that MS would re-launch Zune..

Also theres markets wihin markets : Zune 2? Zune nano? Zune shuffle ?

I can't wait for the MicrosoftTV!!
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But of course they will. Microsoft has always had that mentality. They think they have to compete in every single market. It worked out for them for awhile, but the loss of focus hurt them in the long term. Apple is only in a few markets. But what markets it does compete in, it does well, partly because of focus. Ballmer needs to compete in the ability to focus on doing a few things well. (As an aside, Microsoft's compulsive need to have a thumb in every orifice of the body electric seems very much like Google's)

+1 Insightful.

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post #73 of 132

Apple: "Our focus is the customer. Our mission is to delight the customer."

 

Microsoft: "Our focus is Apple. Our mission is to compete with Apple."

 

Really, this says it all.

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Yet they couldn't come up with a picture that looks better than a drivers' license photo?

 

Sorry. That was the best of the lot.

post #75 of 132
It's interesting to note how Ballmer's line on competing with Apple has changed over the years. In 2007, when the first iPhone came out, he dismissed it out of hand. He assured an interviewer that the iPhone would die a quick and painful death and that Apple "won't sell more than 500" of them. He then went on to boast how Microsoft had already been in the mobile phone business for years and their phones were far cheaper and covered a whole range of models. An upstart like Apple wasn't even a contender.

Fast forward to today, and Ballmer is no longer bragging about how they're the 500 lb. gorilla in the marketplace. Instead he makes a lot of noise about how MS is going to play catch-up with Apple. How the mighty have fallen.
post #76 of 132

Remember when Microsoft held the Windows 7 Parade/iPhone Funeral?

 

MS iPhone Funeral

 

 

Windows Buries the Competition

 

post #77 of 132
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Steve Ballmer says Microsoft plans to compete with Apple in every market

When I was young I planned to be rich and be surrounded by young, sexy, bi-sexual chicks that loved me for me. I think my plan is more likely to pan out than Ballmer's is.
post #78 of 132

I suppose SB is just trying to placate angry shareholders, but I can't for the life of me figure out WHY he wants to "compete with Apple in every market".  Apple didn't get where it is today by competing in existing markets.  It got there by creating NEW markets. If SB really wanted to grow MS from where it is today, they shouldn't be "apeing" (there's the requisite monkey reference..sorta...leave me alone primate biologists! ;) ) in markets where Apple has a huge lead, they should be out creating insanely great products that we never knew we needed.  If I owned much MS stock at all, that would be the message I'd be sending.

 

Oh well...if SB was innovative, they wouldn't be playing catch-up.

post #79 of 132
Uncle Fester is at the helm. Maybe he will create a new colored light bulb for his mouth. That will be innovation for this moron who has canabalised and run microsoft into its current state of mediocrity300
Edited by Mechanic - 7/10/12 at 4:13pm
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Originally Posted by IchLiebeApfel View Post

Fatboy's obsessed.

He's gonna widen his stance... So, Microsoft is going to re-zune selling music players? 

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