Microsoft says Apple's 'post-PC' view is wrong, claims it's a 'PC+' era - Page 6

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Originally Posted by SolipsismX 


1) That's not the model you showed to claim Apple is a thief, now is it? You showed the black model which only has the resitive input display. Also, the demo of the capacitance model came a year after the iPhone was first demoed and there is no mention of it being multi-touch.
2) So? Soooo?!!! Why does the price of a product matter to its success in a market? What a fucking assassin comment to make regarding the success of a given product in a given market.
3a) Two decades old! That's how long people have been trying to make a tablet form factor work before Apple came along. Your comment about the form factor is ridiculous, to say the least. Of course all tablets are going to be most a display on one side and essentially a slab. When you call something a tablet you've got a general idea of the design. Let's not forge that Sci-Fi had described tablets for at least a decade before Apple was even founded. Personal computing was also written about so I guess we can claim Apple's founding was based on prior art?¡
3b.1) And lets be clear about what makes the iPad and iPhone a success. They took many things and put them together in a way that had never been done before. They changed their markets because they make a viable, useful and desirable product. There is no fluke to their success. There is no accident that a concept they started working almost a decade earlier finally came to fruition in 2010. They didn't rush to market with a PPC-based tablet running Mac OS 9. It was about a product they would want to use not a product they can claim "First!" on like a immature commenter on Engadget or Gizmodo.
3b.2) Here is another example that you won't be able to disagree with. Google didn't invent search but they made it great. They engineered ways to make it better, to make it more useful, to make it more appealing. Does Google not deserve their search success simply because they weren't the "First!" to create a search engine? Of course not.

It's not who does it first... it's who does it right...   And timing is everything, as it provides a place to stand that enables you to move the world!

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Originally Posted by SolipsismX 


1) That's not the model you showed to claim Apple is a thief, now is it? You showed the black model which only has the resitive input display. Also, the demo of the capacitance model came a year after the iPhone was first demoed and there is no mention of it being multi-touch.
2) So? Soooo?!!! Why does the price of a product matter to its success in a market? What a fucking assassin comment to make regarding the success of a given product in a given market.
3a) Two decades old! That's how long people have been trying to make a tablet form factor work before Apple came along. Your comment about the form factor is ridiculous, to say the least. Of course all tablets are going to be most a display on one side and essentially a slab. When you call something a tablet you've got a general idea of the design. Let's not forge that Sci-Fi had described tablets for at least a decade before Apple was even founded. Personal computing was also written about so I guess we can claim Apple's founding was based on prior art?¡
3b.1) And lets be clear about what makes the iPad and iPhone a success. They took many things and put them together in a way that had never been done before. They changed their markets because they make a viable, useful and desirable product. There is no fluke to their success. There is no accident that a concept they started working almost a decade earlier finally came to fruition in 2010. They didn't rush to market with a PPC-based tablet running Mac OS 9. It was about a product they would want to use not a product they can claim "First!" on like a immature commenter on Engadget or Gizmodo.
3b.2) Here is another example that you won't be able to disagree with. Google didn't invent search but they made it great. They engineered ways to make it better, to make it more useful, to make it more appealing. Does Google not deserve their search success simply because they weren't the "First!" to create a search engine? Of course not.

At what point did I say Apple stole anything?

Frankly there are times, such a this, that you come across as being extremely insecure.

I provided a link to a product that significantly predated the iPad, that from a distance could be mistaken for an iPad. I mention that the firm had a capacitive screen, I accept that I accidentally posted the resistive screen version, the cap active version is available on the link provided, again from a distance it  resembles the white ipad. Happy now? I guess not

The reference to price was intended as a tongue in check nod to the claims in 2007 that the iphone was too expensive. Being used to purchasing off contract phones I was used to that kind of price.

The slab point, in turn, was in response to the the puerile suggestions often rolled out here that all tablet devices prior to the ipad were freakishly different, the suggestion being that apple were soooo visionary that they created the rectangle.

Sorry, i started to glaze over 3b...

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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum 

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/12/07/14/inside_os_x_108_mountain_lion_gm_airplay_mirroring.html

 

Inside OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion GM: AirPlay Mirroring

 

 

We are in wholehearted agreement!

I should note, that I am not going to go into what it can and cannot do, because its just a difference of opinion...

but you can stream from almost any laptop with intel iGPU shit graphics from Sandy Bridge onwards... 

i just realized that I just proved that i was right via your arguement 0.o.... wow! lol

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Originally Posted by nicolbolas 

 

 

I should note, that I am not going to go into what it can and cannot do, because its just a difference of opinion...

 

but you can stream from almost any laptop with intel iGPU shit graphics from Sandy Bridge onwards... 

 

i just realized that I just proved that i was right via your arguement 0.o.... wow! lol

Whatever... I never was going to convince you that there is a better way... But Fortune 500 companies are buying millions of iPads... They must know something we don't?

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Originally Posted by SolipsismX 


At a distance heat rising off the asphalt looks like a puddle. The fact is they did not have a consumer tablet with a multi-touch capacitance display. Even if they did there is still the key factor of creating a device that has all necessary parts ready to go to instead of just making something and pushing it to market to be first. A tablet running Windows Vista (VISTA!!!) was never going to be a a success even if you only count Windows-based tablets in your comparison.

 The distance factor seems to be very important to certain legal teams...

Microsoft is back in the EU's crosshairs again, accused of failing to comply with it's 2009 antitrust settlement terms.

"We take compliance with our decisions very seriously. And I trusted the company's reports were accurate. But it seems that was not the case, so we have immediately taken action," EU Competition Commissioner Joaquin Almunia said today.

"If infringements are confirmed, Microsoft should expect sanctions," indicating that Microsoft may face heavy financial penalties, or changes to how it conducts business in the 27 European member states.

This will be the first time the Commission had dealt with a company that had failed to meet requirements under a previous antitrust ruling, Reuters noted. The Commission said it will treat the case as a "matter of priority."

Microsoft faces a fine up to 10 percent of its global annual turnover should it be found flouting European antitrust laws; a figure that could total close to 5.7 billion euros ($7 bn).

In a public statement, Microsoft admitted it had "fallen short in [its] responsibility" to update Windows 7 Service Pack 1 "due to a technical error."

http://news.cnet.com/8301-10805_3-57473593-75/eu-opens-microsoft-antitrust-probe-over-browser-choice/