...and love TouchWiz, apparently.
"The cobbler's children have no shoes", is a saying that applies a lot to companies who provide products and services. -KDarling on Google Search.
"The cobbler's children have no shoes", is a saying that applies a lot to companies who provide products and services. -KDarling on Google Search.
I truly wish you would read my responses to you more carefully. Sigh.
I am not going to repeat myself in too much detail except to say, again, that: (i) I neither like nor dislike Samsung; in fact, I have no opinion about them, because I don't particularly care; (ii) I like to deal with, and get into arguments over, facts; (iii) I don't know who Daring Fireball and Asymco are, but I am guessing they are not finance websites; (iv) Like I said, I don't know -- and I don't care about -- 4S's share.
Hard to say. Depends on how Samsung and the retailers report the numbers. Don't get me wrong. Of course Samsung is selling quite a few phones but I honestly don't believe the numbers are anywhere close to what is being reported. It was shortly after Samsung got caught lying about the GT1 sales that they pulled their numbers reports.
By the way... spiffs at the high end of the chain can cause numbers to dramatically change. Some retailers have been known to hold inventory just to get a prize package from the manufacturer.
Clap clap clap.
You finally got it.
Apparently you are the one in need a basic math lesson, so let me offer a helping hand.
First I will correct the odd way in which you calculate duration. When the S3 went on sale May 29th, and the quarter ended June 30th, that comes out to a duration of 33 days. 33 days does NOT equal "2 months" by any stretch of the imagination.
Does that count "9 million preorders"?
"The cobbler's children have no shoes", is a saying that applies a lot to companies who provide products and services. -KDarling on Google Search.
"The cobbler's children have no shoes", is a saying that applies a lot to companies who provide products and services. -KDarling on Google Search.
You're very funny. Really.
"Blank! BLANK! You're not looking at the big picture!"
"Blank! BLANK! You're not looking at the big picture!"
It's simply that I don't believe the numbers that are regularly trotted out by people like you, since they are based on surmise and estimates rather than actual facts.
The numbers I quoted are in the main story - I don't have my own set of numbers.
I don't necessarily believe the numbers either - Samsung or Apple numbers. What's more useful is how they point to a trend - who's on the up and who's on the down.
It already has sold millions so I think that boat has sailed. That really doesn't bother me coz like I said before I doubt those people would have bought an iPhone anyway. It's like the MS Surface - even if it was a really good product I still wouldn't buy it over the iPad coz I've had so many bad experiences with MS stuff that I just don't want to know them anymore.
Samsung claim the S III is selling well:
Samsung on Sunday crossed a company record by selling three million Galaxy S II phones in 55 days. The Android flagship hit its milestone 30 days faster than the original Galaxy S. At its peak, Galaxy S II phones have been selling at a rate of one every 1.5 seconds.
Much of that success comes from Europe, Samsung said. The dual-core device "dramatically increased' Samsung's phone market share in the continent. Austria and Switzerland were the highlights regardless of devices: at 30 percent and 36 percent of the smartphone market in each country, the Korean badge was out in front. Samsung has also been the top smartphone label in the UK for the past 17 weeks, although only a few of those could have been affected by the Galaxy S II.http://www.electronista.com/articles/11/07/03/samsung.breaks.own.record.with.galaxy.s.ii.sales/
and:
I know from other forums that the S III is a very popular device with many people choosing them - so is the iPhone. The US is probably Apple's safest market. I am not surprised many AI posters do not have personal anecdotal evidence of the popularity of Samsung devices, as they do not have the same prominence in the US market that Apple has. Outside the US, Samsung phones are very popular. In my family there are three Samsung phones in use and one Nokia.
The International version uses quad-core processors. Unfortunately those processors are not yet compatible with the US's LTE networks. Compatible processors should be available later this year. To be able to take advantage of our 4G networks they had to use dual-core Snapdragon's here.
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"No theatrics and no more personal attacks, just stick to the logic and tell me why I don't have any argument ~ Jragosta/2012
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"No theatrics and no more personal attacks, just stick to the logic and tell me why I don't have any argument ~ Jragosta/2012
Apparently you have made the false assumption that all companies operate the same as Apple and begin releasing their product immediately after they announce them. Even though the S3 launch date took place on the 3rd, they did not begin selling it until the EMEA region on the 29th.
http://www.phonesreview.co.uk/2012/05/29/samsung-galaxy-s3-big-launch-to-28-countries/
This article has nothing to do with sales, it has to do with units shipped. None of the preorders in the US were shipped in June and are just now being released. With how large the US consumer market is, it seems more than reasonable that the shortfall of 3.5M could be attributed to these delays.
What is so ridiculous about my assumptions on sales continuing unchanged? Considering that Samsung can STILL not keep up with demand, this seems more than reasonable. Apparently most analysts agree with me as well with an estimate of 15M units sold in Q3.
I never suggested that the SIII sold faster than the iPhone 4S. I was merely correcting you for your GROSSLY understated numbers. It appears that the straw man argument is a very popular tactic for you as this is the second time you are being called out for it in this article alone!
I think it is selling better than people here would like to believe. The phone certainly isn't being given away either, prices are quite high.
I personally know of a couple of people who have upgraded from an iPhone 4 to the Galaxy S III and are very happy. I've spent a little time with it, it's nice but too big IMO.
I'm sorry, but when you used the word "upgraded" you came across as paid to write something here...
This would be some clever PR… "l know a couple of people who have "upgraded" (implies it's a step up)… they are very happy (says it's a very satisfactory product). I spent time with it (it was good enough to consider)... it's nice (worth having)… it's too big for me (whatever, that's a prerequisite disclaimer… makes it look like you're not personally vested… but the job is done, "consideration" seeds planted).
That is what we in the marketing world call a "word of mouth recommendation", one of the single most effective forms of advertising… "Although it's not for me, my FRIENDS say it's great…" is exactly that...
I actually just switched from my iPhone 3G (have to give it credit for holding up for four years) to a GS3. Sorry, but the Apple ecosystem just didn't appeal to me anymore. Plus, I just couldn't live with a 3.5" screen. Competition is good and if Apple steps up its game I'll consider switching back in a couple of years.
Interesting… a product like this (a mobile electronics product) "holds up" for FOUR YEARS and you switch away from that brand? Why would you ever do that? Because of a .5" screen size difference?
And what is it about the "Apple ecosystem" that stopped appealing to you (meaning, it appealed before but doesn't anymore…)? Was it the addition of iCloud? The well-established application market? The feature sets of iOS 5 and (soon-to-be-released) 6?
Going from a 3G to a 4S is a pretty substantial upgrade… everything. Retina display, cameras, memory, speed, Siri, and so on… I don't know what they haven't "stepped up" with in their 'game'...
Finally, you "just switched" and did so with a next-gen iPhone in the pipeline (close enough that sales are already dropping in the channel)? "Maybe" you'll go back in a couple of years?
And you come HERE to tell us about this?
Really, you write as if you're disappointed with Apple… after using an iPhone that held up for four years…
Either not too clever, or paid to be here...
Doubtful. I think the US version of the S3 will always use the dual-core Snapdragon. Samsung has actually done a pretty good job resisting the telcos typical pressure for "special" versions with "special" features on the S3. It appears they're now big enough and have enough influence to call their own shots for the most part. That's an area that Apple's excels in.
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"No theatrics and no more personal attacks, just stick to the logic and tell me why I don't have any argument ~ Jragosta/2012
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"No theatrics and no more personal attacks, just stick to the logic and tell me why I don't have any argument ~ Jragosta/2012
...and love TouchWiz, apparently.
And if you do not, unlike Apple, it can be quickly and easily changed. I hate Touch Wiz and use ADW Launcher. Heck if I have an Samsung phone but love the HTC Sense launcher, I can get it and HTC does not try and sue me.
You also have Samsung's massive quarterly profits. I am willing to bet that money was not given too them, the actually sold stuff or you can believe they built 6.5 million phones and stashed them in a warehouse somewhere and called them sold because they "shipped" them. Sure, that theory works too.
You shun the success of a competitor company to defend your Apple fanboy cockiness. The Samsung S3 is a great phone and is selling very well, leave it at that. It is an Apple competitor, but not on the scale that Apple sells the iPhone. It cannot go head to head with them, but will certainly take away people from the aging iPhone.
I would not cal it an Apple competitor. My guess is that they will take sales from other Android phone makers and not from Apple. The bleed is to iPhones, not the other way around in my opinion.
It is a two way street. Some are trolling android forums to comment against android. Others are coming into apple insider to do the same. Well, we don't know who started it. But why don't people enjoy their own devices and stop name calling and marketing like they are brand ambassadors.
JP Morgan? Pffftttt. Why would I believe an analyst from a company that just "lost" another 4.4 Billion dollars? Yeah, sure. These guys know what they are talking about....
See ya, its called the real world and in the real world people have opinions other than yours. Many come here because they own Apple products but refuse to take two knees and drink from the fountain.
JP Morgan? Pffftttt. Why would I believe an analyst from a company that just "lost" another 4.4 Billion dollars? Yeah, sure. These guys know what they are talking about....
HaHaHa, clueless much?
don't you understand that Apple fanatics only think that Apple is the only company that tell the truth while the other are just cheaters? They just cannot take it that the galaxy S3 is successful and actually way superior than the iphone 4s
but it isn't.. UI is slower and clunkier, apps have less quality, especially demanding ones and everything is slower (besides network) or as fast as the iPhone.
it also is ugly (but that's relative) with a real dark screen (the htc one is so much better). it also is and feels "cheaper".
It is good, but far from iPhone good. and the iPhone is 8 months old.
But if for some reason you want a big screen and huge phone, it is a better choice than an iPhone, if you are blind and cannot see how great the htc one is.
but it isn't.. UI is slower and clunkier, apps have less quality, especially demanding ones and everything is slower (besides network) or as fast as the iPhone.
it also is ugly (but that's relative) with a real dark screen (the htc one is so much better). it also is and feels "cheaper".
It is good, but far from iPhone good. and the iPhone is 8 months old.
But if for some reason you want a big screen and huge phone, it is a better choice than an iPhone, if you are blind and cannot see how great the htc one is.
But these statements are just not true. I own a GSII LTE and it runs flawless and very smooth, period. The problem here is many people make claims as you did and never actually used the phone for real. Picking it up in a store or grabbing a friends does not constitute use. My iPad gets sluggish all the time and needs a reboot, for me to hand it off to someone and they use it in that state is unfair. I have used my S2 for 9 months with no issues and love it. To say apps are less quality is another FUD, not true. Are there instances, sure, goes both ways, I have apps on my S2 that are far better than on my iPad, example..... Any Google product, no duh but true. I pick up my wifes iPhone4 and it kills me, I do not care how may pixles her little screen uses, it is a bear to use compared to my phone. And apparently I have man hands because I have no issues using my phone with one hand.
But these statements are just not true. I own a GSII LTE and it runs flawless and very smooth, period. The problem here is many people make claims as you did and never actually used the phone for real. Picking it up in a store or grabbing a friends does not constitute use. My iPad gets sluggish all the time and needs a reboot, for me to hand it off to someone and they use it in that state is unfair. I have used my S2 for 9 months with no issues and love it. To say apps are less quality is another FUD, not true. Are there instances, sure, goes both ways, I have apps on my S2 that are far better than on my iPad, example..... Any Google product, no duh but true. I pick up my wifes iPhone4 and it kills me, I do not care how may pixles her little screen uses, it is a bear to use compared to my phone. And apparently I have man hands because I have no issues using my phone with one hand.
it does not run flawless and very smooth. it can not run as smooth as iOS, it just CAN't, literally. It wasn't made for that, it CAN'T do that. that's why jelly bean is already out there and jelly bean's goal is to eliminate the overall clunkiness and lag. If you understand something about android and how it really works and if you have real usage experience with it (like i do), you wouldn't even try to say that. it isn't as smooth as iOS (it can be smooth with overpowered hardware, but it can't be AS SMOOTH AS iOS. period).
Not all apps have less quality (usually the most vulgar ones are copies) but the most complex and demanding ones (when available for android)? YES. your blind fanboyism and lack of decent neural activity does not make that less true. try and open the same thing (vulgar apps, besides Facebook with their problems) on a galaxy s3 and an iPhone 4 (single core..) and you will get a nice surprise.
The s2 is "lesser" phone than the iPhone 4 in pretty much every department. the same applies with the next generation of both devices. (i'm not even mention upgrades, good luck with having jelly bean when it was announced).
it does not run flawless and very smooth. it can not run as smooth as iOS, it just CAN't, literally. It wasn't made for that, it CAN'T do that. that's why jelly bean is already out there and jelly bean's goal is to eliminate the overall clunkiness and lag. If you understand something about android and how it really works and if you have real usage experience with it (like i do), you wouldn't even try to say that. it isn't as smooth as iOS (it can be smooth with overpowered hardware, but it can't be AS SMOOTH AS iOS. period).
Not all apps have less quality (usually the most vulgar ones are copies) but the most complex and demanding ones (when available for android)? YES. your blind fanboyism and lack of decent neural activity does not make that less true. try and open the same thing (vulgar apps, besides Facebook with their problems) on a galaxy s3 and an iPhone 4 (single core..) and you will get a nice surprise.
The s2 is "lesser" phone than the iPhone 4 in pretty much every department. the same applies with the next generation of both devices. (i'm not even mention upgrades, good luck with having jelly bean when it was announced).
Based on my ACTUAL use, you are plain wrong. Step out of the basement, stop reading year old reviews and try something other than an Apple product and you may be shocked. My wife has an iPhone 4, I have a GS2 LTE and my GS2 crushes it in every angle, screen, use, keyboard whatever, my phone is better, end of story. This is my opinion based on actually, long term use not someone elses opinion I read or a friend of a friends phone quick use. I own the products I am basing my opinion on. And apparently, 6.5 million people feel the same way because they purchased a GS3 over an Apple product. Not because some slick carrier salesman tricked them, or they are uninformed or whatever other reason the shills dream up but because they like it, they wanted it and they bought it and it costs $49 more dollars than a base iPhone so cheap does not factor in.
I am happy you say that. This means you have never trolled on android forum. This is good.
http://www.extremetech.com/computing/128575-galaxy-s3-did-samsung-just-out-iphone-apple
Well this is just a sample from today. I have both iOS and android products and I like both variations for their own benefits. I am regularly on both apple and android forums. I see this trolls both ways. So we will have to live with it.
Man, that Samsung store, though…
