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The fact that they didn't speaks volumes about what hypocritical bullshit artists Google really are.

 

The fact that they wrote to the EU and the ITC defending Motorola's reinforces it.

 

Furthermore the ITC weren't stupid enough to fall for Google's patent trolling move of "loaning" Motorola's patents to HTC.

 

I don't know why you continually defend and promote Google and the criminal convicted price fixing organisation Samsung, one or two token posts don't make up for that.

You're only continuing to demonstrate my point. You're mistaking rational replies regarding other tech players as being anti-Apple. You on the other hand have an automatic emotional response that I don't share.

 

I understand you're passionate about Apple. Enormously so. I think that's causing you take correction of things you use to criticize  (they don't have Bluetooth 4.0, all book prices didn't go up, look at the lag in this video) as promoting other's products. It's not. There's real reasons why Apple products deserve their high praise, so no need to rely on "imaginary" ones. Mentioning those "imaginary" points are just that isn't promoting a competitor.


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post #122 of 133
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You're only continuing to demonstrate my point. You're mistaking rational replies regarding other tech players as being anti-Apple. You on the other hand have an automatic emotional response that I don't share.

I understand you're passionate about Apple. Enormously so. I think that's causing you take correction of things you use to criticize  (they don't have Bluetooth 4.0, all book prices didn't go up, look at the lag in this video) as promoting other's products. It's not. There's real reasons why Apple products deserve their high praise, so no need to rely on "imaginary" ones. Mentioning those "imaginary" points are just that isn't promoting a competitor.

Wrong.

I just don't like the direction Google took since they became drunk with the power that came from selling information gathered about the people they can get to use the products they copy and steal off others.

Their two faced greed seems to know no bounds.

The blind devotion shown by their acolytes across the web is almost as sickening as the turning of blind eyes to the evil they do.
Edited by hill60 - 7/14/12 at 5:33am
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post #123 of 133
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Wrong.
I just don't like the direction Google took since they became drunk with the power that came from selling information gathered about the people they can get to use the products they copy and steal off others.
Their two faced greed seems to know no bounds.

...but they were just dandy 5 years ago when they were partners with Apple, sharing the stage with them? Just like Facebook is just dandy now that they're "friends" with Apple?

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post #124 of 133
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...but they were just dandy 5 years ago when they were partners with Apple, sharing the stage with them? Just like Facebook is just dandy now that they're "friends" with Apple?

 

Facebook are what they say they are, Google aren't, there's a big difference.

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post #125 of 133
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I don't see why people can't be pro Android and pro Apple.

 

I have an Macbook Air and a Galaxy Nexus.

What's the issue?

 

 

Loyalty to the "us" as in "Its Us against Them".

 

You need to understand that Apple users are an oppressed minority.  

 

They are fighting for truth, justice and Steve's One True Way.

They are fighting against the forces of darkness.  Twas ever thus.

 

They are not talking about products or companies.  They are the defenders of the forces of Light.

 

The forces of Darkness will use any foothold to corrupt the masses.  The few who Think Different, like Einstein and Ghandi, cannot allow any seeds of opposition, lest they grow into ma mighty oak.

post #126 of 133
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So how's that working out on tablets or should that be iPad clones?

 

 

So far the Android tablets seem immature.  None of them are compelling, except for a few that promise future greatness.  M$ has some good ideas - we'll see how it pans out.

 

The best Android tablets seem to be missing an SD card slot.  Others are too expensive for what they are.  The entire concept of using a cell phone OS is questionable, IMO.

 

And there are relatively few dedicated tablet apps on Android as of now.

 

When the market is more mature, there will likely be many good choices.  As of now, there are few, and the iPad is the default, normal choice.

 

If there were a 7 inch tweener running Jelly Bean that had an SD card slot at a good price, with a great screen, I'd consider buying it.  As of now, I'll wait and see.  With Windows 8 tablets on the horizon, I think waiting is the right move.

post #127 of 133
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Facebook are what they say they are, Google aren't, there's a big difference.

You really should get out more and have a look around. 

 

"Google, Facebook and other advertising networks have been caught using a workaround to circumvent security settings on Apple's Safari and Safari Mobile browsers."

The FTC can impose a $16,000 fine for every count and every day of settlement violation. Considering that over 800 million users could be affected, this is a powerful incentive to straighten up.

Facebook will be audited for the next 20 years. The first audit will happen in 180 days, barring any stalling or problems.

http://xenonlit.hubpages.com/hub/The-Facebook-FTC-Privacy-Settlement-What-we-need-to-know

A Wall Street Journal examination of 100 of the most popular Facebook apps found that some seek the email addresses, current location and sexual preference, among other details, not only of app users but also of their Facebook friends.

New concerns about user privacy are being raised after a report surfaced that Facebook plans to eventually target consumers based on which apps they use. The Wall Street Journal reported that Facebook’s new initiative in mobile advertising will push “the limits of how companies track what people do on their phones.”

http://www.techzone360.com/topics/techzone/articles/2012/07/11/298478-new-privacy-concerns-emerge-after-news-surfaces-facebooks.htm

Right now, Facebook’s facial-recognition software can sense who is in your pictures and make tagging suggestions, but what if the social network could further learn behaviors and preferences by reading the Gap sweatshirt you’re wearing and seeing that Coca-Cola can in your hand?
 
You still think Facebook is "what they say they are" and somehow different than Google in their quest to understand and monetize their customers? Same concerns from the FTC and general settlement terms with the government that Google got hit with. Same bypassing of Safari users security settings as Google was accused of. It seems to me that you have no real concern over Facebook simply because they're considered Apple's friend...
for the time being. 
 
As long as they're OK in Apple's eyes then it's OK? That's the determining factor in your decision whether a company if good or evil? That's the way it appears.

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post #128 of 133
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Here is a good example of what I am talking about. There is no need to call people mindless or use the terms "irrational bile" and the hyperbole used in the description of this forum is only used as bait and, as anyone who has read MacRumors knows, is totally untrue.

 

You want to clean up this place... start with posts like the one above.

Absolutely agree. Threads can start off with respectful exchanges of different opinions. Eventually almost all of them degrade into name-calling, trollish comments, and personal insults. Certain Apple fans even do it to other Apple fans here.

 

I'd love to see some more control exhibited by the moderators and admin. Perhaps the antics of some of the worst offenders of forum rules are considered assets by site management and to be left alone by intent, drawing like-minded anti-social/pompous/insulting types to visit and comment. I really don't know.

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post #129 of 133
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So far the Android tablets seem immature.  None of them are compelling, except for a few that promise future greatness.  M$ has some good ideas - we'll see how it pans out.

 

The best Android tablets seem to be missing an SD card slot.  Others are too expensive for what they are.  The entire concept of using a cell phone OS is questionable, IMO.

 

And there are relatively few dedicated tablet apps on Android as of now.

 

When the market is more mature, there will likely be many good choices.  As of now, there are few, and the iPad is the default, normal choice.

 

If there were a 7 inch tweener running Jelly Bean that had an SD card slot at a good price, with a great screen, I'd consider buying it.  As of now, I'll wait and see.  With Windows 8 tablets on the horizon, I think waiting is the right move.


If I remember correctly, the iPad is also using a cell phone OS. Just saying. :)

iPad doesn't have a lot of dedicated apps yet either. That is changing day by day, but really, everything starts somewhere.

 

I agree though that Android should really put in those SD cards. That's how they were defined since the beginning. lol

post #130 of 133
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iPad doesn't have a lot of dedicated apps yet either. That is changing day by day, but really, everything starts somewhere.

 

The iPad has as many or more dedicated Apps than Windows Phone has.

 

So will it be Windows Phone and Tablet when WinMo 8 comes out?

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post #131 of 133
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You really should get out more and have a look around. 

 

"Google, Facebook and other advertising networks have been caught using a workaround to circumvent security settings on Apple's Safari and Safari Mobile browsers."

The FTC can impose a $16,000 fine for every count and every day of settlement violation. Considering that over 800 million users could be affected, this is a powerful incentive to straighten up.

Facebook will be audited for the next 20 years. The first audit will happen in 180 days, barring any stalling or problems.

http://xenonlit.hubpages.com/hub/The-Facebook-FTC-Privacy-Settlement-What-we-need-to-know

A Wall Street Journal examination of 100 of the most popular Facebook apps found that some seek the email addresses, current location and sexual preference, among other details, not only of app users but also of their Facebook friends.

New concerns about user privacy are being raised after a report surfaced that Facebook plans to eventually target consumers based on which apps they use. The Wall Street Journal reported that Facebook’s new initiative in mobile advertising will push “the limits of how companies track what people do on their phones.”

http://www.techzone360.com/topics/techzone/articles/2012/07/11/298478-new-privacy-concerns-emerge-after-news-surfaces-facebooks.htm

Right now, Facebook’s facial-recognition software can sense who is in your pictures and make tagging suggestions, but what if the social network could further learn behaviors and preferences by reading the Gap sweatshirt you’re wearing and seeing that Coca-Cola can in your hand?
 
You still think Facebook is "what they say they are" and somehow different than Google in their quest to understand and monetize their customers? Same concerns from the FTC and general settlement terms with the government that Google got hit with. Same bypassing of Safari users security settings as Google was accused of. It seems to me that you have no real concern over Facebook simply because they're considered Apple's friend...
for the time being. 
 
As long as they're OK in Apple's eyes then it's OK? That's the determining factor in your decision whether a company if good or evil? That's the way it appears.

 

And if you choose not to use Facebook as opposed to generally surfing the web or using unprotected wifi in your house?

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post #132 of 133
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And if you choose not to use Facebook as opposed to generally surfing the web or using unprotected wifi in your house?

I'm not saying either one hasn't suffered from privacy questions and issues. You on the other hand seem quite comfortable in overlooking the same when committed by Facebook. You propose they're trustworthy. Why? I think it's because they're currently in Apple's good graces and what's fine with Apple is fine with you. If I'm incorrect perhaps you have some other reason? Having such strong feeling about Google's monetizing of us but saying don't worry if Facebook appears to do the same doesn't sound logical does it?

 

That's why I suspect your reaction to Google is more emotional than rational. You want to believe criticisms and claims that may not be true or only partially so, failing to see the clues that would lead you to question.


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post #133 of 133

Actually iOS is an OS three of four different UIs all four of which (adding Mac OS X) are based on BSD Unix. What he is referring to, with respect to Android (a varient of Linux with a Java run-time environment on top), is that until Ice Cream Sandwich no attempt was made to take advantage of the larger scale display by showing more controls at once in a way that is differentiated from how the UI appears on an Android phone.

 

So iOS is a phone OS but not JUST a phone OS. It is also, like Android, a tablet OS and a TV OS. Oddly enough though, Android does not yet feature a desktop UI which for some reason is the space that Google's Chrome OS plays in.

 

But set all that aside, Android developers don't seem particularly interested in providing tablet apps (where the app not just expands to fill the screen but actually takes advantage of the space to make the app show more controls to the user at once) in any great numbers. Perhaps this will change?
 

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