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post #1 of 31
7/12/12 at 6:03pm
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post #2 of 31
7/13/12 at 4:31am

Complete crap you heard from the Michael savage show and this phony ass author no heard of. Give it a rest!!
 

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post #3 of 31
7/13/12 at 8:25am
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Complete crap you heard from the Michael savage show and this phony ass author no heard of. Give it a rest!!
 

As you'll notice above this was bait for me.lol.gif 

 

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 I wasn't going to dignify this with a reply but yes of course it's garbage.

 

SDW was a big supporter of the birther question also. Anything to throw a little dirt around in hope that some poor fool will take it as gospel. He usually finds these things in a conservative source that no one but conservatives reads or watches. Funny you don't see this stuff from multiple sources as it would be big news.lol.gif SDW doesn't seem to understand why that places a lot of doubt on these items.

 

But ( sigh ) as you can see SDW is still living in the McCarthy era.


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post #4 of 31
7/13/12 at 9:20am
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Anything to throw a little dirt around in hope that some poor fool will take it as gospel. He usually finds these things in a conservative source that no one but conservatives reads or watches. Funny you don't see this stuff from multiple souirces as it would be big news.

 

For "dirt throwing" (including specific implications of lies and criminal conduct) from Democrats, we can just look right at the president himself.

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7/13/12 at 10:15am
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Anything to throw a little dirt around in hope that some poor fool will take it as gospel. He usually finds these things in a conservative source that no one but conservatives reads or watches. Funny you don't see this stuff from multiple souirces as it would be big news.

 

For "dirt throwing" (including specific implications of lies and criminal conduct) from Democrats, we can just look right at the president himself.

Let me ask a pair of specific questions from the thread's topic of you. Do you believe that Obama is a communist and that this has dire consequences for the country?

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post #6 of 31
7/13/12 at 10:39am
Wow, you guys should seriously stop wasting time with this Obama stuff and start focusing on what Romney can actually do. OK, Obama sucks, we get it. So, what is the solution for

~a never-ending war
~addiction to oil
~lack of basic healthcare for everyone
~15 Trillion USD in debt
~slow economic recovery
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post #7 of 31
7/13/12 at 11:21am
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Let me ask a pair of specific questions from the thread's topic of you. Do you believe that Obama is a communist and that this has dire consequences for the country?

 

I really don't know what Obama is. He appears to be part socialist and part corporatist (fascist). He's all statist. Ultimately he's mostly just a political opportunist with statist Utopian tendencies.

 

All of that has dire consequences for country given the amount of power he has.

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post #8 of 31
7/13/12 at 11:24am
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Wow, you guys should seriously stop wasting time with this Obama stuff and start focusing on what Romney can actually do. OK, Obama sucks, we get it. So, what is the solution for
~a never-ending war
~addiction to oil
~lack of basic healthcare for everyone
~15 Trillion USD in debt
~slow economic recovery

 

1. Never ending war? Stop starting wars.

2. The "addiction" to oil? WTF?

3. Lack of basic healthcare for everyone? This is a lie.

4. $15T debt? Stop spending so much.

5. Slow economic recovery? Cut taxes, regulations and spending.

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7/13/12 at 11:42am
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Let me ask a pair of specific questions from the thread's topic of you. Do you believe that Obama is a communist and that this has dire consequences for the country?

 

I really don't know what Obama is. He appears to be part socialist and part corporatist (fascist). He's all statist. Ultimately he's mostly just a political opportunist with statist Utopian tendencies.

 

All of that has dire consequences for country given the amount of power he has.

A dodge ( but a good one I'll give you that ). I thought you wouldn't give a direct answer. ( wink if I could )

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post #10 of 31
7/13/12 at 11:46am
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A dodge ( but a good one I'll give you that ). I thought you wouldn't give a direct answer. ( wink if I could )

 

You can call it what you want and think whatever you want. It's an honest answer. I don't really know what he is. His words, actions and associations paint a muddled picture. As I said, ultimately he's a political opportunist with statist Utopian tendencies. That's really all we need to know. That's dangerous enough. At that point it matters little whether he's specifically communist or not.

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7/13/12 at 2:11pm
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A dodge ( but a good one I'll give you that ). I thought you wouldn't give a direct answer. ( wink if I could )

 

You can call it what you want and think whatever you want. It's an honest answer. I don't really know what he is. His words, actions and associations paint a muddled picture. As I said, ultimately he's a political opportunist with statist Utopian tendencies. That's really all we need to know. That's dangerous enough. At that point it matters little whether he's specifically communist or not.

 

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  As I said, ultimately he's a political opportunist with statist Utopian tendencies

 

It sounds like you've decided what you think he is to me. And the idea that he's dangerous is your subjective take. You see ( for example ) I think Romney is dangerous and the last thing we need right now.

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post #12 of 31
7/13/12 at 4:46pm
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It sounds like you've decided what you think he is to me.

 

Yes, just not the specifics about a particular political/economic/social ideology (e.g., communism).

 

 

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And the idea that he's dangerous is your subjective take.

 

Yep.

 

 

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You see ( for example ) I think Romney is dangerous and the last thing we need right now.

 

I don't know that I'd disagree.

 

My only hope is that some degree of infighting among the two branches of the political party running this country would be enough to slow down the disaster they're creating and, thus, some combination like an Obama presidency with a Republican congress might be the best thing we can hope for. Very far from ideal, but perhaps enough friction and intransigence to stop or slow the federal government from any more of its depredations and general destruction.

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post #13 of 31
7/14/12 at 4:26am

Thanks for telling me about this person who loves to get people mad and frustrated with him.I fell into his little trap.
 

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post #14 of 31
7/14/12 at 10:49am
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Thanks for telling me about this person who loves to get people mad and frustrated with him.I fell into his little trap.
 

You're welcome.

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post #15 of 31
7/15/12 at 4:31am

He is an agitator I see now and provokes people with his comments.
 

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post #16 of 31
7/15/12 at 7:58am

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post #17 of 31
7/15/12 at 11:13am
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Would you care to elaborate?

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post #18 of 31
7/15/12 at 1:14pm
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Would you care to elaborate?

 

Nope.

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7/15/12 at 1:21pm
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Would you care to elaborate?

 

Nope.

I thought not. ( wink if I could )

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post #20 of 31
7/15/12 at 1:24pm
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I thought not. ( wink if I could )

 

Why would I? What difference would it make? Can one not laugh at the humorous things one sees?

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7/15/12 at 1:39pm
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I thought not. ( wink if I could )

 

Why would I? What difference would it make? Can one not laugh at the humorous things one sees?

Like I've said before when asked to be pinned down on something you choose to dodge. Oh well.

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post #22 of 31
7/15/12 at 2:49pm
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Like I've said before when asked to be pinned down on something you choose to dodge. Oh well.

 

You want to "pin me down" on what I find humorous?! Now that's humorous. lol.gif

 

Let's get back to those substantive posts of yours...

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7/15/12 at 3:01pm
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Like I've said before when asked to be pinned down on something you choose to dodge. Oh well.

 

You want to "pin me down" on what I find humorous?! Now that's humorous. lol.gif

 

Let's get back to those substantive posts of yours...

In other words instead of an answer you'd rather focus on me. Typical.lol.gif

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post #24 of 31
7/15/12 at 4:32pm
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In other words instead of an answer you'd rather focus on me. Typical.lol.gif

 

Actually...I'd rather talk about something substantive. How about you?

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7/15/12 at 4:36pm
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In other words instead of an answer you'd rather focus on me. Typical.lol.gif

 

Actually...I'd rather talk about something substantive. How about you?

Do you mean like jazzy's mistaken idea that the Register had some big scoop that disproved Global warming?lol.gif

 

And I had to go to great lengths to get it through some people's heads that was the subject matter at hand and trying to divert it to some small point was just obfuscation in the hopes of wearing me down? That kind of substantive content?

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post #26 of 31
7/15/12 at 4:40pm
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Do you mean like jazzy's mistaken idea that the Register had some big scoop that disproved Global warming?

 

I'm not sure what you're talking about. Was there something substantive on this thread's topic that you wish to contribute?

 

 

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And I had to go to great lengths to get it through some people's heads that was the subject matter at hand and trying to divert it to some small point was just obfuscation in the hopes of wearing me down? That kind of substantive content?

 

I'm not sure what you're talking about. I'm interested in reading something substantive on this thread's topic that you have to say.

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7/15/12 at 4:45pm
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Do you mean like jazzy's mistaken idea that the Register had some big scoop that disproved Global warming?

 

I'm not sure what you're talking about. Was there something substantive on this thread's topic that you wish to contribute?

 

 

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And I had to go to great lengths to get it through some people's heads that was the subject matter at hand and trying to divert it to some small point was just obfuscation in the hopes of wearing me down? That kind of substantive content?

 

I'm not sure what you're talking about. I'm interested in reading something substantive on this thread's topic that you have to say.

I think I've pretty well covered the communist question in this thread :

 

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Where you just posted this :

 

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Perhaps you need a refresher on the definitions of subjective and objective.

 

Let's try an examples. I'll speak slowly and use small words.

 

Some person thinks they can step in front of moving cars without any risk of injury.

 

Setting aside the clinically technical definitions relating to "crazy" for a moment I think it can be said, reasonably objectively, that this person is "crazy" to think or believe what they believe. You see it is a much less subjective evaluation. It is less about opinion that stepping in front of moving vehicles carries with it a great deal of risk of injury and death. It is certainly not absolute, but we have a great deal evidence along with a strong understanding of physics to guide us in making a reasonably objective evaluation of this person's craziness.

 

Does that help or are you just playing games?

Nice substance pertaining to the topic I must say!lol.gif

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post #28 of 31
7/15/12 at 5:15pm
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I think I've pretty well covered the communist question in this thread

 

Actually, you haven't addressed it at all. That's the funniest thing! lol.gif

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7/15/12 at 9:33pm
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I think I've pretty well covered the communist question in this thread

 

Actually, you haven't addressed it at all. That's the funniest thing! lol.gif

I'm sure in your mind because your take on the whole thing isn't the same. I think we covered it pretty well. If Obama did belong to one of these groups at one time do you think it would be an awful thing and why?

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7/16/12 at 6:00am
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I'm sure in your mind because your take on the whole thing isn't the same. I think we covered it pretty well.

 

You're free to point me to exactly which posts in this thread where you have addressed the subject.

 

 

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If Obama did belong to one of these groups at one time do you think it would be an awful thing and why?

 

Yes. Primarily because government policy based on the communist philosophy is destructive. If he (or anyone else) wishes to go form and live in a communist society voluntarily, so ne it. But if he (and others) wish to impose it onto others through the state...that's a problem.

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7/18/12 at 5:04pm
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As you'll notice above this was bait for me.lol.gif 

 

 

 I wasn't going to dignify this with a reply but yes of course it's garbage.

 

SDW was a big supporter of the birther question also. Anything to throw a little dirt around in hope that some poor fool will take it as gospel. He usually finds these things in a conservative source that no one but conservatives reads or watches. Funny you don't see this stuff from multiple sources as it would be big news.lol.gif SDW doesn't seem to understand why that places a lot of doubt on these items.

 

But ( sigh ) as you can see SDW is still living in the McCarthy era.

 

 

Been out of town, but now back to AI:   

 

1.  The premise of this thread is 100%, confirmed fact.  One of his mentors was Frank Marshall Davis, who was literally a card carrying communist.  

 

2.  I was not a "big supporter" of the birther question.  I did state there unanswered questions Obama had not addressed.  I do still think there is a possibility he was not born in the U.S.  That said, I've seen enough to put the issue to rest in my mind--he was born here.  However, THAT said, he clearly participated in deception at some level in allowing himself to be labeled "Kenyan-born" by his literary agent for many years (as late as 2007).   

 

3.  Communism:  I think that fact that one of the Presidents mentors (a man he refers to by first name in his books) was a card-carrying communist is relevant.  You don't?  

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