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Someone seriously wants a 4.8 inch screen phone? A phone? Derick Zoolander must be turning over in his grave. (aside: is he dead yet?)
I have come to the conclusion people who want a screen that size never use the phone as a phone, because it looks friggin' stupid holding something that size against your head.

 

 

I agree. Also the problem with the bigger phones is putting them in your pocket. My iPhone fits in my pocket nicely.  However, occasionally I notice if my iPhone goes in my pocket sideways, and I bend down, the fabric of my pants will stretch and put a lot of pressure on the phone. If the phone was much bigger, I am sure it would break. 

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Originally Posted by ChiA View Post

 

With your persistent grumbling about all things Apple, I highly doubt that YOU will be happy, whatever Apple does.

 

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I've owned and used Apple products for many, many years

 

They've made a lot of mis-steps lately...

They've squandered their lead in smart phones by failing to innovate

... in some ways iOS 6 is a big step backwards

...Apple have willingly crippled the iPhone 5, and anyone foolish enough to 'upgrade' with a vastly inferior mapping product. 

 

The lack of a modern screen size for the iPhone...

Then there's the skeumorphic design, which is beyond hideous...

 

Thank you for proving my point.

You're already unhappy with a product that's yet to be announced, yet alone released!

 

I wonder, is there anything from Apple you have actually liked?

It must be painful for you, using your Apple products that you see as so flawed.

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Hopeful Apple realizes that hardware is as important as the operating software.

Apple already knows that. They also know that specs for the sake of saying you have it is stupid so they don't play that game.

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post #44 of 129
The back glass is not Gorilla glass on the 4 and 4s.
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Thank you for proving my point.

You're already unhappy with a product that's yet to be announced, yet alone released!

 

I wonder, is there anything from Apple you have actually liked?

It must be painful for you, using your Apple products that you see as so flawed.

 

The iPod was for many years completely untouchable, the best in it's class by far. I loved it.

 

The iPhone 3G was a worthy successor, a revelation in portable computing. It amazed me on a regular basis.

 

I liked my iPhone 4 a fair bit too, until iOS 5 slowed it down to a crawl and I saw the competition match and then surpass it.

 

I complain about Apple stuff because that's what I have and use. Android has a world of problems too, but different problems to iOS. Android has far superior hardware, and a generally better and more modern OS, but it's app selection is poorer, there's no equivalent for iTunes Match (Google Music is US only), there are no Android/Googe stores so no genius bar or equivalent, the choice of handsets means the eco system is a fragmented mess, the Google Play store has no TV shows or music (outside the US), Google TV is even worse than Apple TV, and Google's desktop strategy (Chrome OS) is a total joke.

 

So I'm no Android fanboy, far from it, I just want Apple to catch up in the areas where they've fallen behind.  I'm not a fanboy of anything, I have a Windows 7 PC, a Macbook, an Xbox, a PS3, a Roku, and a load of other Apple kit.

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T, and in some ways iOS 6 is a big step backwards - the lack of the superb Google Maps with street view and very in depth local information is a massive, completely insane mis-step.  

You are really going to diss a product that hasn't been released yet? That you haven't used in final release form yet?
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Then there's the skeumorphic design, which is beyond hideous.

It's cheesy sure, but it is far from unusable for the mass public, regardless of how you feel about it
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I've owned and used Apple products for many, many years, but they're being eaten alive by Google right now and that doesn't need to be the case.

The collective mass of all things Android sure, just like the collective of all computers running Windows beats Mac OS. But if we were to break it down by actual phone hardware or even company does that still hold true, especially if adjusted for returns.

And in the end does the percent of marketshare really reflect Apple losing sales or are their sales rising/steady while the grand total of the market goes up as folks are wooed by those cheap Android phones they are then stuck with for at least a year due to carrier contracts etc
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post #47 of 129
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Thank you for proving my point.

One like minded person, especially on a forum where for all we know you are shagging, besties or even perhaps the same person posting under two names, hardly proves your point.

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post #48 of 129
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Originally Posted by Entropys View Post

Someone seriously wants a 4.8 inch screen phone? A phone? Derick Zoolander must be turning over in his grave. (aside: is he dead yet?)
I have come to the conclusion people who want a screen that size never use the phone as a phone, because it looks friggin' stupid holding something that size against your head.

Phones are not just phones anymore...

If you want to talk by it, you can use a hand free Bluetooth, but if you want to use the multimedia features or internet browser a big screen is much better.

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Originally Posted by SuperTomcat View Post

Phones are not just phones anymore...
If you want to talk by it, you can use a hand free Bluetooth, but if you want to use the multimedia features or internet browser a big screen is much better.

Your comment doesn't address any reasonable size, weight, and other physical dimension limits. This goes both ways which is the Zoolander comment is funny and relevant (even though the movie wasn't). Bottom line: if you go too big or too small it loses much of its intended utility regardless of the what is written on a spec sheet.

Is 4.8" too big? For me it is, and by a large margin, but I can see how some people would want that as their pocketable phone. Is

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post #50 of 129
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Phones are not just phones anymore...

If you want to talk by it, you can use a hand free Bluetooth, but if you want to use the multimedia features or internet browser a big screen is much better.

Absolutely.

 

If I was to list what my most used apps on my iPhone were it would be something like Downcast (podcast app), Audible, Google Maps, Waze, Chrome, GMail, iMessage, Flipbook, Google+, Twitter, Camera, and then a bunch of games. I must have made, in total, less than 50 phones calls on iPhones in all the years I've used them, and all but a couple of those were using the headphone mic.

 

Just my experience obviously. I'd love a bigger screen on my iPhone. If Apple were to offer one the size of a Galaxy Note 2, I'd snap it up.

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The iSheeps have no tolerance for Andorid users here, bro!

Haha, you gotta be trolling with a comment like that.
I probably own more android devices then you anyways 1tongue.gif1tongue.gif
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 I especially don't understand why Samsung does so well.

 

Because they present compelling value propositions to consumers.  

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Just curious how a bigger screen size on a phone = innovation. It's just a bigger screen. Probably a result of larger battery needed for LTE. People say Retina is nothing more than marketing. Well couldn't the same be said about phone screen size? Basically AT&T, Verizon, Sprint and the OEM's pushing bigger screens as being better (rather than admitting the bigger screen is needed for a bigger battery more than anything else).

For me innovation is in the quality of the hardware and the software, not the screen size.
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You are really going to diss a product that hasn't been released yet? That you haven't used in final release form yet?
It's cheesy suture, but it is far from unusable for the mass public, regardless of how you feel about it
The collective mass of all things Android sure, just like the collective of all computers running Windows beats Mac OS. But if we were to break it down by actual phone hardware or even company does that still hold true, especially if adjusted for returns.
And in the end does the percent of marketshare really reflect Apple losing sales or are their sales rising/steady while the grand total of the market goes up as folks are wooed by those cheap Android phones they are then stuck with for at least a year due to carrier contracts etc
In what measurable way is Apple being eaten alive by Google? So more phones run Android software just like more PC's run Windows. So what? Apple still eats their lunch in terms of revenues, profits and customer satisfaction. I know which company I'd rather be invested with.
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Just curious how a bigger screen size on a phone = innovation. It's just a bigger screen. Probably a result of larger battery needed for LTE. People say Retina is nothing more than marketing. Well couldn't the same be said about phone screen size? Basically AT&T, Verizon, Sprint and the OEM's pushing bigger screens as being better (rather than admitting the bigger screen is needed for a bigger battery more than anything else).
For me innovation is in the quality of the hardware and the software, not the screen size.

 

Man, took the words right outta my brain 

post #56 of 129
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charlituna said:
One like minded person, hardly proves your point.

 

What point did you think I was making?

My point was that he's consistently whines about Apple getting things wrong.

I think I made a fair point in saying it'll be surprising if he was happy with the new iPhone.

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Originally Posted by Rogifan View Post

Just curious how a bigger screen size on a phone = innovation. It's just a bigger screen. Probably a result of larger battery needed for LTE. People say Retina is nothing more than marketing. Well couldn't the same be said about phone screen size? Basically AT&T, Verizon, Sprint and the OEM's pushing bigger screens as being better (rather than admitting the bigger screen is needed for a bigger battery more than anything else).
For me innovation is in the quality of the hardware and the software, not the screen size.

Dude, the iPad is the most innovative phone out there.  It's got a 9.7" screen, way better than a puny 4.8"!  And you can buy it with a no contract data plan and just use free VOIP apps!  The only downside is there are 10.1" tablets out there - those are .4" more innovative than the iPad! :O

 

(Also tired of people saying that increasing the size of the iPhone is "catching up" to anything, as if there are no tradeoffs to a larger screen size, only benefits)

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Banishment is too good for the infidel.  Off with his head!


But seriously - is an echo chamber where one preaches to the choir desirable?  Are new ideas heresy?  What do you do when the emperor really is NOT wearing new clothes?  Groupthink is very destructive.  

We're quite happy with echo chambers. Most of us are quite comfortable with what we like and even occasionally, dislike, about Apple.

If you're not, the door is open.
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I'd really like a larger iPhone. When I see people using Galaxy S 3s and HTC OneXs then I look at my iPhone's puny little screen I'm rather jealous.

 

4.8" seems to be the standard now, and sadly Apple look to still be dragging their heels and refusing to keep up.

 

 

You hit the nail on the head with that post. It's not about Apple, it's about YOU and your jealously.

 

How long have you measured your self-worth by the size of the hardware in your pocket?

 

Just put one of these in your pocket and people will give you the attention you seek:

 

Where Android phones are headed

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post #60 of 129
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His quote is taken out of context and doesn't match up with history. Apple has always been a hardware company. Wozniak's claim to fame was hardware. The only reason Apple creates most of its software is to make the hardware more valuable. That is why Apple gets pissed off when people steal the hardware designs  and wants an injunction when a company like Microsoft would only want a license. Apple used to frequently change the design of its hardware around when its customer base was smaller to get people to buy new hardware. For the longest time there wasn't anything comparable to iMovie and iPhoto on any other platform.

If you go into any phone store and compare Apple's hardware with the rest, it is clear Apple's hardware is leaps above. I especially don't understand why Samsung does so well. It's hardware is made out of the cheapest materials and feels that way. 

It could be doing 'well' in terms of quantity sold. After all, someone has to cater to the low-taste, low profit end.
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Originally Posted by SuperTomcat View Post

Phones are not just phones anymore...

If you want to talk by it, you can use a hand free Bluetooth

Originally Posted by kotatsu View Post

I must have made, in total, less than 50 phones calls on iPhones in all the years I've used them, and all but a couple of those were using the headphone mic.

 

Just my experience obviously. I'd love a bigger screen on my iPhone. If Apple were to offer one the size of a Galaxy Note 2, I'd snap it up.

Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post
Bottom line: if you go too big or too small it loses much of its intended utility regardless of the what is written on a spec sheet.
Is 4.8" too big? For me it is, and by a large margin, but I can see how some people would want that as their pocketable phone. Is

 

Speech is our natural and earliest form of communication, as Siri demonstrates.

Using a headset is still more fiddly than speaking directly into a device.

I don't believe most people will choose a phone you can only use with a headset over one you can talk into directly.

 

I think SuperTomcat and kotatsu make a case for Apple introducing an iPod Touch with 3G data or an iPad Mini, for those who don't need to speak to others over the phone.

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3.5 ''  is a bit small, while 4.8'' is big to hold in your pocket. Something right in the middle would be nice. Of course everyone likes something different. More important is the overall design of the Iphone5, sleek,different etc.

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3.5 ''  is a bit small, while 4.8'' is big to hold in your pocket. Something right in the middle would be nice.

I think a lot of people (read: the ones that erroneously claim that everyone happy with the current iPhones) don't want a larger display. I want an incredibly large display I just don't want an incredibly large phone for that display. Until we change the physics of this universe there will be a limitation in this area. I would imagine that an iPhone with a larger display would be around the same volume as all previous iPhones, not something that is 50% or more than previous phones. That's a tradeoff I'm not willing to make in my pocketable devices. I never had an interest in an iPod until the Mini was released specifically because I felt the previous models were too big.
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Of course everyone likes something different. More important is the overall design of the Iphone5, sleek,different etc.

Making something different just to be different is like playing roulette by looking at the leader board and choosing the colour hasn't come up in a while.

Apple/Jobs has said many times that it will only change a design if the change be made better. Sometimes they are wrong about making a change. For instance, the iPod Shuffle that lost the physical buttons in favour of the controls on the headphones. Now I loved this because I'd be a huge fan of those controls since the iPhone came out but it was not a market success. Perhaps it would work if they could get voice controls on the Shuffle but that summons a different thread about being ready for a market.
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More important is the overall design of the Iphone5, sleek,different etc.

Why?

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"The all-new MacBook Pro features a Multi-Touch trackpad with a large, all-glass button surface. So you can tap, pinch, swipe, and click away comfortably."

 

 

what if the new glass back cover is also an "all-glass button surface" 

it would explain the equal sizes of the top and bottom metal surface at the back of the iphone  

and why its longer, so more room to tap touch at the back while holding it in landscape 

 

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Please do not confuse whining for whining's sake as a vehicle for new ideas. It is barely tolerable to hear from a child and it is an absolutely reprehensible behavior in an adult.

 

This "poor me" attitude is gets tiresome very quickly. A swift kick in the n*ts from time to time provides a good wake up call.

 

If you want examples of groupthink, look no further than Google, Microsoft and any PC vendors out there.

 

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Banishment is too good for the infidel.  Off with his head!

 

 

But seriously - is an echo chamber where one preaches to the choir desirable?  Are new ideas heresy?  What do you do when the emperor really is NOT wearing new clothes?  Groupthink is very destructive.  

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It'd be awesome to see more colors than black/white/silver. I'd be all over a dark red one.

 

That would be welcome but sadly I don't think it's going to happen anytime soon. We've had black/white/silver for the past 10 years now and I wouldn't be at all surprised if we still had the same colour scheme in another 10 years. Clearly Apple designers have no sense of fun anymore.

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My point was that he's consistently whines about Apple getting things wrong.

 

 

Isn't that the whole point of a forum like this - to express your opinions, good or bad, about Apples' products.

 

I realise that deviation from total unadulterated adoration for everything Apple does is frowned upon in this forum - but that lack of objectivity only serves to devalue many of the comments on here. 

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I realize that deviation from total unadulterated adoration for everything Apple does is frowned upon in this forum…

No, it's that nonsensical attitude which is frowned upon but carried by so many "legitimate users" here.

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No, it's that nonsensical attitude which is frowned upon but carried by so many "legitimate users" here.

 

Define "nonsensical attitude" please

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Define "nonsensical attitude" please

Would you really like an example? Really........?
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Would you really like an example? Really........?

 

Yes go on why not - as long it's your own words not simply quoting someone else's post

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I don't think the construction was readily apparent either way. It looked like it might have been a different material, but if so, the edges and seemingly nonexistent or incredibly tight seams hid that fact very well. It looked at least as plausible to be a different texture of metal.

 

I disagree.  Whether or not the parts were real, if we take them as such, they clearly showed that the two pieces at the top an bottom of the backplate were a different material that were physically attached to the unibody part.  They looked like glass to me or possibly ceramic, but definitely a different material that had been attached to the backplate.  

 

This current story makes little sense in that the best one can assume from it is that they laid a big piece of glass over the whole back even though the middle part will still be unibody metal underneath.  That would be an awful design that would add millimetres of thickness for no real reason at all and functionally identical to the 4.0 design.  

 

As some have already commented however, this is a very poorly written articles.  Many of the sentences don't make grammatical sense, several are comma spliced compound sentences and few follow any kind of subject-object-predicate kind of construction one would expect of an article written in the English language, since, you know ... THAT'S HOW ENGLISH IS SUPPOSED TO BE WRITTEN.  

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That would be welcome but sadly I don't think it's going to happen anytime soon. We've had black/white/silver for the past 10 years now and I wouldn't be at all surprised if we still had the same colour scheme in another 10 years. Clearly Apple designers have no sense of fun anymore.

 

Apple generally does colours on their products when they run out of "real" design changes.  This is typical of most designs and designers everywhere.  There has to be some way to fool people into laying out hundreds of bucks every year for the new product and when there are no "real" functional design changes to be made it becomes all about what's this year's new colour or style.  

 

Sneakers for instance, haven't had any significant changes or improvements for over 50 years but every year they come out with different colours, flashes, stripes, treads and other gimmicks & doohickies in order to convince people to buy a new pair every year.  It's like fins and chrome on cars.  

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Dude, the iPad is the most innovative phone out there.  It's got a 9.7" screen...

 

Sadly, VoIP is not the same as having a real phone however.  If the iPad mini arrives as predicted I could easily drop every other function that I use my phone for and move to the one device except for the simple fact that Apple won't put the phone app on the iPad even on the 3G models.  It will happen though and probably within the next two years.

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The back glass is not Gorilla glass on the 4 and 4s.

 

Is too.  

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Isn't that the whole point of a forum like this - to express your opinions, good or bad, about Apples' products.

I realise that deviation from total unadulterated adoration for everything Apple does is frowned upon in this forum - but that lack of objectivity only serves to devalue many of the comments on here.
The party line of the "concerned troll". There are too many trolls here who are very subtle and contribute nothing to the discussions. Often by pretending to own Apple products and claiming their criticisms are those of a paying customer who wants their device improved.

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Apple generally does colours on their products when they run out of "real" design changes.  This is typical of most designs and designers everywhere.  There has to be some way to fool people into laying out hundreds of bucks every year for the new product and when there are no "real" functional design changes to be made it becomes all about what's this year's new colour or style.  

 

Sneakers for instance, haven't had any significant changes or improvements for over 50 years but every year they come out with different colours, flashes, stripes, treads and other gimmicks & doohickies in order to convince people to buy a new pair every year.  It's like fins and chrome on cars.  

 

I don't mind the black or white options for iOS devices but I wish they would move on from silver/black on the Mac. Maybe an all black MBP and a range of colours for the MBA.

 

When I walk into the AppleStore it feels like a hospital - cold, sterile, devoid of any colour.

 

"Doohickies" - Never heard that before - what a great word

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I disagree.  Whether or not the parts were real, if we take them as such, they clearly showed that the two pieces at the top an bottom of the backplate were a different material that were physically attached to the unibody part.  They looked like glass to me or possibly ceramic, but definitely a different material that had been attached to the backplate.  

I don't think it's quite so clear. Some of the prototype pictures showed a one piece metal back with the top and bottom brushed and the middle section polished. That would make more sense than layering glass on top of the metal.
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... one with a modern screen size?...

 

This just shows that you swallowed the marketing hook, line and sinker.  

 

Any advertiser would be delighted to find out that you have internalised their buzzwords and PoV in this way.  Ask yourself why you said "modern screen size" and what it actually means as a term.  Why is a larger screen, a more "modern" screen?  It's an advertising term.  It translates to "the latest screen size (trend)" which translates to "what we are selling you this year."  

 

More proof that people actually want what they are told to want, (regardless of our desire to see ourselves as intelligent, independent, decision-making individuals).   

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