Anyone remember when Republicans impeached a president for perjury? - Page 2

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Originally Posted by trumptman 

 

Note the key word is IMAGE.

 

Is that all Democrats and leftists can deal with these days?

Well, that and INTENTIONS.

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Originally Posted by Northgate 

I like roads.  And highways.  And places for criminally insane people to be put.  I like clean water.  I like safe prescription drugs.  I like airplanes not crashing into each other.  I like court houses where I can take my grievances or prosecute criminals.  I like schools.  I like public colleges.  I like a clean relatively safe society.

 

I like freedom.  But freedom and safety aren't free.  

 

But you know all this.  And you're just playing cute with rhetoric.  I get it.  But you know these things.

I like roads too. I don't need the people who make them to retire at 50 with full benefits. I like clean water. I don't need the people that test and treat it to have contracts that allow them to call in sick for 8 hrs and be paid for it and then come to work for the fifth day of that week as paid overtime. I know for a fact that prison guards do that as well. I like prescription drugs but I don't like how agencies make decision for me related to helpful drugs that others abuse. As for court houses, I would suggest you haven't been to one in quite a while because you would see the hours they keep in no form or fashion service the public. I like schools and work at one. Every year I see fewer general education teachers and more administration, support staff and special needs staff. I like public colleges. I don't think public colleges should all be heavily research driven though nor should they all have to offer the same broad array of degree programs.

Those who support government should be first and foremost in their criticism when it does a bad job because discredited and ineffective government makes people want NO government, even in the areas where it does a good job.

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Originally Posted by MJ1970 

 

So do I.

 

P.S. We should note that most of what the government spends money on is none of those things. And that you could reduce government spending by about 80% and still have all of those things. But we won't let that fact get in the way.

 

Yes.  It's called the Pentagon and the vast military industrial complex.  And I'm COMPLETELY in favor of cutting in HALF!  You wanna save some money.  That's where you have to go.

Dude...at least TRY not to regurgitate bullshit Democratic talking points.  Romney didn't lie.  Romney didn't commit a felony.  There is literally nothing there.  Really, you're so desperate that it's just become comical.  

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Originally Posted by jazzguru 

 

Because roads wouldn't exist without government?

 

And highways wouldn't exist without government>

 

And places for criminally insane people, clean water, safe prescription drugs, planes not crashing into each other, courts, schools, low-cost education, and a "relatively safe society" wouldn't exist without government?

 

Freedom and safety wouldn't exist without government?

 

Your rights do not come from government. They exist by virtue of your humanity. No man has given them to you - they simply are.

 

Freedom IS free.

 

And a group of individuals calling themselves a government has no more moral justification than I do in attempting to deprive you of those rights.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

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Originally Posted by Northgate 

Yes.  It's called the Pentagon and the vast military industrial complex.  And I'm COMPLETELY in favor of cutting in HALF!  You wanna save some money.  That's where you have to go.

Well, that's part of the problem. I suspect you'll deny the other part...the massive welfare state.

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Originally Posted by Northgate 

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Is this Argumentum de Howling Laughter?

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Originally Posted by trumptman 

When watching their fake news shows, talking in bumper sticker slogans and sharing ridiculing and snarky pictures back and forth[...]

 

WOOOOOOOWWWW!!!!  That's f'ing rich!  I mean like laughing incredulous rich!  Dude.

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Originally Posted by MJ1970 

 

Well, that's part of the problem. I suspect you'll deny the other part...the massive welfare state.

Wait wait wait.  The Pentagon is 60 cents of every tax dollar and welfare is 8 cents of every tax dollar.  But hey, let's not talk about the elephant in the room and let's only focus on the welfare mom with six kids a new Nikes on their feet.

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Originally Posted by Northgate 

Wait wait wait.  The Pentagon is 60 cents of every tax dollar and welfare is 8 cents of every tax dollar....

That is a lie.  

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Originally Posted by Northgate 

The Pentagon is 60 cents of every tax dollar and welfare is 8 cents of every tax dollar.

You are wrong. Is this deliberate (in which case you're lying) or not (in which case it is mere ignorance)?

The total spending for 2013 is to be $3,083 billion.

Of that DOD accounts for $673B (18%), HHS accounts for $941B (25%), HUD accounts for $46B (1%) and SS accounts for $883B (23%).

If you exclude SS (which would be dishonest, but we'll play anyway), we find that HHS and HUD account for 26% of the budget while DOD accounts for 18%. If you do include SS (which would be more honest), total welfare spending accounts for 49% of the budget.

Now I agree that defense spending can and should be cut significantly. But your statement above is simply wrong.

Together these two categories account for 67% of all spending. This doesn't even count the corporate welfare in various other areas (e.g., Energy, Agriculture, Commerce, Labor, etc.) These add another 8%.

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Originally Posted by jazzguru 

By the way jazzguru does your handle indicate that you like Jazz? I do. My dad played in a band and listened to nothing but so I kind of grew up with it. Just curious.

And yes I know this is off topic but it's my form of being friendly and showing I'm not just the evil liberal that some would paint me as.