Originally Posted by Apple///
Can't agree that the X-box 360 is like partying like its "2002" graphics wise. It certainly is much better then anything out back then console wise. Heck even PC graphics in 2002 were not as good as what you get from top developers today for the 360 and PS3.
OK. Party like it's 2004. That's all I'll budge. 1280x720 you can max out Half Life 2 pretty hard and that is the best Xbox360 will ever do. I admire what the developers have achieved out of the Xbox360 engine and hardware, but it's 2004 stuff. The past 3 years have mainly just been "hacks" to get a certain "look".
Even if we assume a 7-year console cycle, that means that as of Jan 2005 whatever console ability (reflected as of 2005 regardless if the console came out ~in~ 2005) will need to be phased out in Jan 2012.
This means that for mainstream to enthusiast gaming consoles, we are 7.5 years into this cycle. With absolutely nothing feasible until at least Jan 2013.
Keep in mind that a general-purpose, "crippled" iPad Retina can do 1080p HD without breaking a sweat. The thing is of course the OpenGL capability and graphics capability is not mature yet to get DX9-quality graphics, but in 3 years there is no way it won't.
Let's say in Jan 2015 ~ the Retina iPad (2015 model) will be doing "SuperHD" ie. 3K resolution (that's digital cinema) graphics, with probably Unreal Engine 4, DX11-quality graphics, not to mention CPU capabilities. In 2015 the Retina iPad (2015 model) will obliterate anything the Xbox360 and PS3 can do.
So let's say if Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft are waiting until 2014, that means that in just 1.5 year's time the Xbox360 & PS3 is about 10 years old in terms of capability, and doing only a ridiculous 1280x720 resolution.
The common-sense argument is for Microsoft (Sony is lost at this stage) to do the Xbox720 for release Jan 2014 at the very latest to entrench themselves for 2014 through to 2020, fending off hardcore competition from tablet, mobile, and "casual" gaming.
So unless a half-decent (not rubbish like most of what MS has churned out since the admittedly admirable Xbox360) gaming console is launched by Microsoft sometime next year... they will not be wiped out, but certainly eclipsed by the iPad.
Let's look at the Xbox 360 yearly:
X360 13,808,365 (+4%) 63,769,444 TOTAL
PS3 14,128,407 (+1%) 60,597,021 TOTAL
The iPad has eclipsed total sales of XBOX360 already. In just 6 months of 2012, it will roughly match COMBINED Xbox360 and PS3 PER YEAR.
Microsoft is trying to still hawk their ridiculous Xbox Live "Gold", aka de-crippling good money already paid for a console and Internet connection:
This is the wrong demographic. To compete with tablet, mobile and casual gaming, the Xbox720 must go balls-to-the-wall. We're talking real 1080p resolution. People say, "oh, price this, price that".
But for around the price of a CURRENT XBOX360 (let's say $350) tell me Microsoft cannot put together a gaming console that needs a fraction of a Core i3 power, and a simple, insanely cheap Nvidia 9800GT-class GPU.
You can get a Dell laptop for $399 with an order of magnitude (except the GPU) more powerful than an Xbox360. And that has a screen as well!
In the end, this is the most disturbing thing.Is it possible, that MICROSOFT, with the world's richest man at its helm, cannot put together this class of device for US $399 retail while still making a profit, in 2013:
Intel Core Solo 2ghz
512MB 800mhz RAM
Nvidia 8600GT 512GB DDR3
120GB desktop HDD
13" Laptop size but with no screen
Sure, this sounds "a lot" for a gaming console but remember, you can go and buy this second hand for $200 max. Even better, there's probably millions in the world sitting in junk piles.
Something is fishy.
Technology that nobody wants can be used to drive excellent mainstream and high-end console gaming from 2012 through 2018, yet nobody is bothered to make this happen.Edited by sr2012 - 7/19/12 at 8:41pm