Inside OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion GM: Game Center and Chess 3.0 - Page 2

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Originally Posted by Intel 

In America it is spelled Center. Apple is located in the USA. Why would Apple change center to centre for you backward folks in the EU?

Okay, how about just for the 33 million folks next-door to the U.S.A.?  Or Australia?  Or Hong Kong?  Or anywhere else English is spoken or written aside from U.S.A.?

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Originally Posted by dpnorton82 

I love when English speakers get all bent out of shape over regional dialects. -- Nothing like early morning bigotry to start your day off right!
Apple is an American company. -- American English is to be expected.
AMERICA!!

America is a CONTINENT !!!

not a country.

Canada, Mexico, Guatemala, Costa Rica, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Panama, Colombia, Venezuela, Ecuador, Peru, Bolivia, Paraguay, Uruguay, Argentina, Chile, Brasil, etc.... are all different countries in the AMERICA CONTINENT.
 

USA is just one...
don't be another ignorant gringo.

Back on Topic:
 

Can a play a Chess game with anyone on the game center?

or is it just for comparing achievements thru the Game Center?

I think that Apple should provide developers with a framework or some solution to make it consistantly possible to switch to other apps from a fullscreen game in OS X. It's not uncommon that the only way to get out of the game and do something in another app is to quit the game. :/ Quite rediculous. Guess which operatingsystem that handles this much better?

I also think Apple should push graphic card driver development even more and give us some more hardware options when it comes to graphics cards. Playing iOS games adjusted for OS X isn't really my highest wish when it comes to gaming on a computer.

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Originally Posted by kotatsu 

It's too bad the ugly UI design remains. Of all of apple's ugly skeumorphic designs, Game Centre is probably the worst.

 

Also as an aside, would it be too hard for Apple to spell CENTRE correctly for the rest of the world? Only the US mangles English so badly, everyone other English speaking nation just speaks and spells English.

Well Apple in the past as been a little American centric, but they are getting better - the UK as always been a big market so yeah these things are important, but it's nice to see a British dictionary in OS X trust me this is a big deal if you want spelling to be correct. 

It isn't worth getting upset about though, and all this posturing about who is right doesn't help either, English is pretty much everywhere and us English speakers should all be grateful for that, it does make life easier - even if there are little differences. What you have to understand is the English language evolves and has done over the centuries the Great Vowel shift is largely responsible for the differences in the language. See wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Vowel_Shift

American English is just a fork of the English language as it was in the 1700's, it has since developed in it's own way, it's not wrong is just a variation. There were once many versions of English in Britain, these have all but disappeared but the effect on accents is still evident today, including the odd usage of Old English mixed in with the dialect. 

Differences make the world a richer place!    

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Originally Posted by digitalclips 


Your post is too funny. English is English ... At which point in history are you thinking of deciding it was baked to your approval? Ever read Chaucer, Shakespeare? It has been always will be an evolving language. You no doubt use many recent additions, pyjamas for example. Check in to your local Uni for a course on the subject it would enlighten you a great deal.
Plus I did post the link several times which explains the particular spelling being objected to in America was the work of a Brit ... A certain Mr. Carnegie.
I might add my iPad keeps trying to alter English as we know it too!

Thanks Captain Obvious, but if I was to dare say something else equally obvious, the current correct version of English is the English as spoken by neutral unaccented English speaker in England, and as documented in the OED.

The same applies to neutral French spoken in France, and so on. 

Doesn't it irk you, even a little, to see Americanised English listed as 'English', while English is listed as something which doesn't exist - 'international English'. It's an absurd way to differentiate English from it's rather mangled child.

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Originally Posted by a Martin 

I think that Apple should provide developers with a framework or some solution to make it consistantly possible to switch to other apps from a fullscreen game in OS X. It's not uncommon that the only way to get out of the game and do something in another app is to quit the game. :/ Quite rediculous. Guess which operatingsystem that handles this much better?

I have seen a few games do this well enough (WoW, Beat Hazard Ultra), but more consistent fullscreen switching would be nice. You'd think it would be even easier in OS X than Windows, considering that everything going to the window buffer is supposed to be painted on an OpenGL plane.

Mountain Lion supposedly has many graphics enhancements. Can anyone with a developer account verify?

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Originally Posted by Vorsos 

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I have seen a few games do this well enough (WoW, Beat Hazard Ultra), but more consistent fullscreen switching would be nice. You'd think it would be even easier in OS X than Windows, considering that everything going to the window buffer is supposed to be painted on an OpenGL plane.

Yes, I forgot to mention Blizzard's games as a great example of where it's working well. Cmd M to switch from fullscreen to window mode and thus giving access to the rest of OS X. But like I said, it would be nice with a consistant way of doing this, that works in all games from all developers. Therefore it sounds to me that Apple should be providing a framework or something for it. Like you say one would think it shouldn't be that hard since ”everything is supposed to be painted on an OpenGL plane”. But I'm not really a developer, so what do I know. :)

I also would also like to hear some thoughts about the graphics enhancements in Mountain Lion. Anyone? :)

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Also came to think of that even with the fullscreen functionality that was introduced in Lion there's inconsistency in how one switches in and out of that mode in an app. It's always (I guess) some keyboard command involving F, but sometimes it's Cmd, Ctrl, F and sometimes I've seen Cmd, Shift, F. How hard can it be to find a universal keyboard combo so this is consistant between apps? I guess it's up to the developer, but in the end it affects the user experience having to perform different commands in different apps to perform the same task. Not good I think. It's good that one can change keyboard combos for specific apps in System Preferences, but one shouldn't have to spend time doing that I think.

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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil 


I'm on my iPad and a state away from home, so don't ask me to link it.

I thought the iPad was supposed to replace the desktop/laptop?

I kid.... I kid...

So if Apple changed the look and feel to a standard app according to their insistence on an iTunes style interface you'd all whinge an moan that it looks boring?

Make up your minds people. Anyway, when you think about it for the most part you don't even go into GameCentre you mostly just go into the game and the game logs into GameCentre.

I personally hardly ever if ever go into GameCentre on my iOS devices but I ensure all the games that use it are logged into it.

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Originally Posted by dpnorton82 

There is no 'correct' version of English. -- And the OED clearly defines 'center,' as well as 'centre.'
I'd also submit that 'unaccented' is a rather loaded term: it's highly subjective.
No, it doesn't irk me; not even a little.
The OED defines World English and American English, which I find perfectly suitable given the natural separation of the terms, implications, and nuances of each in common usage.
What a silly thing to get twisted over.

Sorry but I totally disagree - and I find it offensive that English is listed as American English, or as English with an US flag or just simply English (US) with international English listing everyone else - Britain as everyone else WTF! 

I have no issue with American English, but listing English as standard with the American flag is wrong it should be the British flag, then all the variations of English with the appropriate flag. It is fine to default to US English if that is where most of your customers are but It is offensive to credit the wrong country with the English Language. 

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Originally Posted by digitalclips 


However, as most people that have lived during the last century and this one know, 'America' is understood to be the USA. 'The Americas' are the usual term for your definition of North, Central and South America.

That's the gringo definition...not the rest of Americans' definition.
For most of the people from the rest of the continent: we don't like it when you use those words, when you really mean is United States of America.

They are even offensive in many parts (specially since your imperialist government would love to own the whole continent)

I am American also (from South America to be more specific)

Please don't make this a subject of discussion, I am just pointing something that people from USA, don't realize usually.

Something that I think is more important that if u use Center or Centre.

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Originally Posted by SolipsismX 


I'm amazed at how many people (kids?) on this forum seem to think that North and South America are just top and bottom references and not the names of actual continents. I'm also surprised how many don't realize that Central America is past of the North American continent. It's eve more baffling that people like FireDune don't understand that USA stands for United States of America and that a reference to a America with a clear indication of referring to a country, not a continent, isn't something he should be scratching his head about. Even more bizarre is the disassociation from logic is FineDune being perfectly fine with saying United States of America even though it's not the only country in the Americas that has United States, and yet he hasn't argued against referring colloquially to a country as United States as if it's ambiguous even though other countries actually refer to their states as being united in their official name. Well, that last one isn't bizarre but bigotry and hypocritical. I've never heard once anyone say that Democratic Republic of the Congo is wrong because there are 10 countries on the Congo river many of which are considered democratc republics.

I am not a kid....I am very sure I know more geography that most of the gringos I met while traveling the continent for many years. 
Central and North America are part of the same continent depending on how you look it up (platonic plates anyone?)

And yeah I am perfectly fine with you saying United States of America (or USA)...

And I know there are other countries with United States, like United States of Mexico (actually Estados Unidos de Mexico), not the same country,

if you use the compleate name of your country I don't see any problem...or even if you use the acronym form...

(sorry about the grammar and spelling errors, you can bitch about that too if you want....

as I said before not all readers are native english speakers...
if you want to bitch anyway please do it in another language than english)

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Originally Posted by digitalclips 


You can play with another. If not how would the Game Center compare achievements?

Sorry, maybe my question was not rightly formulated, will try again:

Can you play AGAINST another player on the web, (not on a local level) ? 
(all I see in the screenshots are games against the computer)

Game Center could be just comparing achievements against the computer.

Sorry if my question is stupid, but haven't used Game Center or the new Chess (3.0)

(and the screenshots do not help answering my question)

Originally Posted by Tallest Skil 


Except you're completely and utterly wrong and being offensive.
For proof, I refer you to whatever thread that was where we proved your position song before. I'm on my iPad and a state away from home, so don't ask me to link it.

Please If you accuse me of being utterly wrong, give your point of view.

And I was saying it is offensive to use American when you mean people from USA, or America as a country....
don't see where I have been offensive (I was not trying to)

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Originally Posted by a Martin 

 

Yes, I forgot to mention Blizzard's games as a great example of where it's working well. Cmd M to switch from fullscreen to window mode and thus giving access to the rest of OS X. But like I said, it would be nice with a consistant way of doing this, that works in all games from all developers. Therefore it sounds to me that Apple should be providing a framework or something for it. Like you say one would think it shouldn't be that hard since ”everything is supposed to be painted on an OpenGL plane”. But I'm not really a developer, so what do I know. :)

 

 

I also would also like to hear some thoughts about the graphics enhancements in Mountain Lion. Anyone? :)

 

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Also came to think of that even with the fullscreen functionality that was introduced in Lion there's inconsistency in how one switches in and out of that mode in an app. It's always (I guess) some keyboard command involving F, but sometimes it's Cmd, Ctrl, F and sometimes I've seen Cmd, Shift, F. How hard can it be to find a universal keyboard combo so this is consistant between apps? I guess it's up to the developer, but in the end it affects the user experience having to perform different commands in different apps to perform the same task. Not good I think. It's good that one can change keyboard combos for specific apps in System Preferences, but one shouldn't have to spend time doing that I think.

For those who don't know how to change the keyboard combos:

You can set up a shortcut to go to Fullscreen...in System Preferences>Keyboard>Keyboard Shortcuts

just go to "Application Shortcuts" and add the following shorcuts to "All Applications" :

Enter Full Screen     Control-F
Fullcreen                 Control-F

Full Screen              Control-F

Exit Full Screen       Control-F

I use control to avoid any conflict with other commands, but you can use your own.
Just be sure to enter all the different spelling ways, since not all the command menus to go to full screen are spelled the same way.

I agree with Martin that it is not something we should do....
I always thought one of the benefits of the MacOS is it consistency (anyone remembers all the different ways to quit/exit an app in old Win systems)
 

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Originally Posted by FireDune 

 

Please If you accuse me of being utterly wrong, give your point of view.

 

And I was saying it is offensive to use American when you mean people from USA, or America as a country....
don't see where I have been offensive (I was not trying to)

I'm not from North or South America and I've often wondered if people from the two continents of America get offended when people from the USA call their country America. I think it's perfectly valid to be offended - it's like when Scotland gets referred to as part of England - it's massively offensive because it's disrespectful. 

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Originally Posted by macadam212 

I have no issue with American English, but listing English as standard with the American flag is wrong it should be the British flag... 

What is this "British flag" of which you speak?  The flag of the United Kingdom you mean?  See, nitpicking is fun, eh?

That said, I do agree with the substance of your post, and I am always pleased when a product or service shows the flag of the United Kingdom to represent English, instead of the yankee flag.  

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Originally Posted by cyrmo 

 

What is this "British flag" of which you speak?  The flag of the United Kingdom you mean?  See, nitpicking is fun, eh?

That said, I do agree with the substance of your post, and I am always pleased when a product or service shows the flag of the United Kingdom to represent English, instead of the yankee flag.  

I'm also going to nitpick... The United Kingdom part of UKGBNI simply denotes the political system of Greater Britain (as opposed to the "Britain" in Western France - [and lets not forget Northern Ireland before anyone complains]) in the same way that US denotes the Federal structure of USA the county with America in its name that sits in the central part of the North American continent.

Britain as a word has it's roots in the word Brython or ancient Welsh that the Brythonic speaking inhabitants who replaced the non-Indo-European speaking speakers of the archipelago (modern Welsh is the second most spoken and thus a semi-official language of UKGBNI) so the Union flag is perhaps not appropriate as a symbol for English. By the same token as over 95% of "Brits" speak English as a mother tongue (as opposed to only 82% in the USA) and it is the place where the language was assembled it is more fitting to use the UKGBNI emblem than it is of USA.

Of course, technically the international flag symbol for English could be the English version of the St. George cross (a Red cross on a field of White) but that in itself would be a problem on another level as it was the insignia of France until they gave it to the English during the Crusades and of course it is still in use by the country of Georgia where the flag originated. Probably wouldn't work though as most English speakers wouldn't know the flag of England if it flapped across their faces.

Perhaps ultimately the EU flag would probably be best, if you really think about it, English is just a mishmash of various Friesian/German dialects with a chunk of French (which explains the Illogical spelling) and a dusting of Celtic grammar influences...

Originally Posted by FireDune 

You can set up a shortcut to go to Fullscreen...in System Preferences>Keyboard>Keyboard Shortcuts

just go to "Application Shortcuts" and add the following shorcuts to "All Applications" :

Enter Full Screen     Control-F
Fullcreen                 Control-F

Full Screen              Control-F

Exit Full Screen       Control-F

 

I use control to avoid any conflict with other commands, but you can use your own.
Just be sure to enter all the different spelling ways, since not all the command menus to go to full screen are spelled the same way.

In a river of nationalist wankery, a helpful tip appears! Thank you. Ctrl-F is probably the more desirable option, as some apps use Cmd-F to 'Find' or 'Flaunt.'

I would be happy if all fullscreen games merely supported Cmd-tab, but alas, some devs retain DirectX habits and want to control the GPU directly, instead of going through Apple's preferred OS X-OpenGL APIs.

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Originally Posted by Vorsos 

 

In a river of nationalist wankery, a helpful tip appears! Thank you. Ctrl-F is probably the more desirable option, as some apps use Cmd-F to 'Find' or 'Flaunt.'

 

I would be happy if all fullscreen games merely supported Cmd-tab, but alas, some devs retain DirectX habits and want to control the GPU directly, instead of going through Apple's preferred OS X-OpenGL APIs.

Haha, agreed on ”nationalist wankery”. Was just thinking the same ting. :) How can people of this day an age think there's some kind of objective value to their nation compared to others? We're all citizens of the same planet! The borders and nationalities are made up stuff and shouldn't be taken too seriously.

Also agree on the greatness of the the tip from FireDune to get the switch to ”fullscreen” work with a consistent keyboard combo in all apps. Shouldn't really have to be done I think, but it's a one time setting so not much to complain about I guess. :)