Apple wins portable device UI 'scroll bar' patent - Page 2

 

You mean like the notification center in iOS?

Lol? Your pavlovian drivel is so funny. Nearly every software so-called patent are ridiculed over the whole world, have you not noticed? Idiotic and ubiquitous UI elements like scroll bars are not patentable according to everybody excepting for the failed US patent office which grants anything while taking its cut, just to have the so-called patents invalidated later in courts.

 

Patented already; code= Gen2:7

You said it. I doubt too many Apple enthusiasts feel the need to reciprocate on their web sites (I assume they have some, I wouldn't''t know to be honest) , we are too busy using our Apple gear. Web traffic data seems to indicate Android users use those devices as door stops..

 

the USA patent office does not appear to require the same level of novelty as other world patent offices.  Especially through some patent offices, which is why tech patents are oftne funnelled through certain offices.

 
Samsung has large volumes of patents, more than apple iirc.  Just Apples are fairy targeted.

 

Apple has not been excessively successful showing "blatant copying" with Samsung yet, and has not really taken the fight to google. 

 

 

I was able to fix your statement, gabe1k, but tylersdad's brain fart was too outrageous to fix.

Is this rubber-banding? Edit: OK just the disappearing scroll bars and dynamically-sized scroll bars. A worthy invention in my mind. Fixed scroll bars have been around for... oh, decades? Good on ya Apple (and whoever else Apple is supposed to have copied or what not).
Edited by sr2012 - 7/17/12 at 9:35pm

You're just wrong.

 

"But the reason patents are especially bad for software is that software isn’t some single invention where you can point to a single new idea. Not at all. All relevant software is a hugely complex set of very detailed rules, and there are millions of small and mostly trivial ideas rather than some single clever idea that can be patented. The worth of the software is not in any of those single small decisions, but in the whole.  It’s also distressing to see that people patent ‘ideas’. It’s not even a working “thing”; it’s just a small way of doing things that you try to patent, just to have a weapon in an economic fight. Sad. Patents have lost all redeeming value, if they ever had any. ‘" - Linus Torvalds src http://techledger.wordpress.com/2011/04/05/linus-torvalds-on-patents/

 

 

 

They're "ridiculed over the whole world" by freetards and commies who think that nothing should be patentable. If some company spends few years and billions of R&D, they should be rewarded for it. All these thieves shouldn't be able to just come along, copy everything and undercut the company that spent years and billions on development. 

 

 

Have you seen Newton's notification center? Go take a look. I'll wait.

 

Also, show me Google's notification center patent.

 

And it's so funny how far you're reaching when Android is nothing more than a bad ripoff of iOS. Have you seen Android before iPhone? It was a BlackBerry OS ripoff. But after iPhone unveil, it was transformed into an iPhone ripoff.

Invented, yes. Patented, no! There was no patent office back in the days

Oh, they do - trust me. Having general interest in technology, I am orbiting MS, Apple and Goggle-centric sites. Each of them has resident "behind-enemy-lines" commando forces. Just the nature of the things. A lot of people "feel" they need to defend their brand and their choices beyond any reason.

Check out iBooks for Newton. Old skool, man. But very interesting.
http://manuals.info.apple.com/en_US/0307735ANPMOSUG.pdf

BTW OMG! Newton copied Android!

Yeah, God called. He patented everything. You'll be hearing from His laywers.

Microsoft Patents Ones, Zeroes




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I like the Word Suggestions (622) in that IM (602) app! Do wish they would move the Send button (614) to the top right in the SMS app; too easily hit by accident. And no reason to have the edit button in view while typing.

I deleted the rest where you found 6 different ways to say you did not read the patent.

You built a J2ME app for a multi-touch mobile device that had an on-screen bar, which was not a scroll-bar that could be interacted with and moved in the opposite direction of your gesture, was translucent and appeared/disappeared based on screen contact before 2007? M'okay.

Even if there's prior art before the filing, Apple has prior art all the way back to the first multi-touch device with this kind of scrolling technique. If they enforce this, Android and Windows Phone 7 are screwed and rightly so.

Apple doesn't want a repeat of this event:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/03/06/apple_thanks_microsoft_for_inventing/

These things seem basic and obvious once you see them and use them but the day before you saw them, they weren't and that's the whole point.

You could question why patents are allowed on core features but those are the most important features as they are used all the time.

Galaxy S3 injunction incoming, get them patches ready Google.

http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PG01&p=1&u=/netahtml/PTO/srchnum.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=20090249247.PGNR.

Does anybody know when this feature has been introduced in iOS? Just watched a vide of the iPhone introduction and didn't see those scroll bars.

it is true!, you are working at Google!...

The patent system is a mess but it is the system that is in place to protect people/companies that innovate. Unfortunately, it also protects some who really haven't and needs upgrading to cover things that take place in the modern economy.

 

That being said, if Apple has truly innovated and others have copied, Apple deserves to be able to call them on it. If you are really being honest and not being beholden to a platform, you would have to admit that Apple with its iOS really came out with a lot of innovations and that is what has been patented in many cases. If others unfairly copy Apple, Apple deserves some sort of remedy.

 

On the other side, if Apple has copied others that have patented things, then they need to pay as well. If Apple has truly copied something patented in notifications from Android, I would expect the lawsuits to follow.

 

But it is disingenuous to denigrate the things that Apple has done in the mobile world because it is not your platform of choice or you just don't like Apple.

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Not hardly. . .

 

Nor working for Google.

Nor owning Google stock.

Nor deriving any income from Google directly or indirectly.

Nor having any Google contacts.

Nor having any source of "inside" information about Google.

 

If there's anything I missed just ask.

 

And yet nobody has ever done it with the scrollbar until Apple came along with the iPhone.

 

And yet nobody has ever done it with the scrollbar until Apple came along with the iPhone.

The earliest version where I've seen it is iOS 2.0, introduced mid 2008.

 

 

yes.  you've pretty much encapsulated what some people do; this includes enthusiasts from a variety of groups including Apple fans.

 

in regard to the patent, i agree it's silly but it's been granted (for good or bad).  if the situation ever arises, the onus is on Apple to prove a given implementation, at the software level, is a copy in the event of alleged patent infringement.

 

You are quite the critical thinker. Posting other people's words because you have no capacity to develop your own earns you an A+ on the Internet.

 

Or maybe you wish to imply that because Linus Torvalds is a person of importance in the tech industry that I should just bow to his viewpoint without having one of my own?

But on Android phones, I've seen that you can actually drag the scrollbars before they disappear.  This makes it easier to scroll through long pages without endlessly flicking around.  Why hasn't Apple made it easier to scroll through long pages on iOS devices?

But on Android phones, I've seen that you can actually drag the scrollbars before they disappear.  This makes it easier to scroll through long pages without endlessly flicking around.  Why hasn't Apple made it easier to scroll through long pages on iOS devices?

 

Bill Gates was a much larger human in the old days. No one can escape the effects of 'shrinkage' due to aging.

Edited by SpamSandwich - 7/18/12 at 1:01pm

Now someone just needs to patent the idea of using a round or square (or rounded square) button to turn on a computer or handheld device.

 

Or the use of a round hole in the side of a telephone to insert a headphone cable.