Originally Posted by SDW2001
Perhaps I misread your statement. Are you not suggesting that someone (or some group) in government/military planned each attack? In the past you've insinuated if not openly stated that 9/11 was a false flag operation, meaning that government was involved itself. Are you suggesting a rogue group within government or the military? I'm not trying to strawman you here...I would just like to be clear about what you mean. Please explain.
Re. Aurora: This was a meticulously planned assault, according to police, by a person whose history and personality does not fit the personality of the criminal who committed this mass murder. It's a complete mismatch. A few months ago, something very drastic happened to this guy, by all accounts a gifted intellectual, "smart as a whip" - enough to make him quit school, abandon a potentially high-flying career and do a 180 from "model student" to "model psychopath". Since the crime was so elaborately planned, obviously there was some motivation behind it, and a crime with a motivation points to a crime with a beneficiary. Was Holmes the beneficiary? Hardly - he was caught red-handed, without a struggle, and he's going to jail for life.
Questions which we will probably never hear the answers: Did Holmes have handlers? What happened to him earlier this year? Was he on a powerful hypnotic/amnesic or "obedience" drug, like scopolamine (if so, he will not recall much of what might have happened to him in the weeks and months prior to the attack) etc. We haven't been given a story yet, but so far the police have refused to comment on "motive". Perhaps they are as mystified as the rest of us.
Re. 9/11: Another crime (albeit a "mega-crime" in this case) with a long period of planning, and motivation behind it - as opposed to a random act of massive killing and destruction - nobody disputes that. However the motivation in that case was something studiously avoided by the FBI, the government and the corporate media, once President Bush made his comment that "they attacked us because they hate our freedoms". That famous statement was the only motivation for 9/11 that the powers-that-be have ever referred to. It was an ironic statement - because since 9/11, even though life appears to go on without '"tanks in the streets" etc, we here in the US have lost a huge swath of rights and freedoms - not at the hands of those blamed for the attacks, but by our own representatives and executive branch (Bush *and* Obama). No amount of security can prevent terrorism on soft targets... everyone knows this. Who did benefit from 9/11 and the series of pre-planned wars that the public accepted were to be waged, on account of that attack? Who continues to benefit?
I do not know who planned and executed 9/11. I wish I did. I wish we all did. If the story we were told was sound, then any doubts or controversy would be a mere footnote in the annals of history, as opposed to the proverbial 1200lb gorilla in the room. If the attacks were investigated properly, in a timely fashion, then perhaps we would know more, and some of the problems would be resolved. This didn't happen - the executive director in charge of the "inquiry", Philip Zelikow - an administration insider with a conflict of interest and a self-described "myth maker" (see quote below) - was very careful to make sure that a very secure lid was kept on it.
from his wikipedia entry: "While at Harvard, he worked with Ernest May and Richard Neustadt on the use, and misuse, of history in policymaking. They observed, as Zelikow noted in his own words, that "contemporary" history is "defined functionally by those critical people and events that go into forming the public's presumptions about its immediate past. The idea of 'public presumption'," he explained, "is akin to William McNeill's notion of 'public myth' but without the negative implication sometimes invoked by the word 'myth.' Such presumptions are beliefs (1) thought to be true (although not necessarily known to be true with certainty), and (2) shared in common within the relevant political community."
Was it a false flag event? Elements within the US government (intelligence/military) have a track record for planning or executing such, and variations thereof, in the last 100 years. Lots of them. Was it an attack solely by the organization billed as "al Qaeda"? All other attacks blamed on them have been ANFO type truck bombs, or bombs incapable of exploding, often involving FBI informants. The sophistication and method of 9/11 was like comparing a professional bank robbery to a shoplifting incident, in other words, wildly out-of-pattern for the alleged perps.
We've been around this stuff a lot over the years in here, and nobody's any the wiser. From 2003 onwards, I was never at ease with the 9/11 story, for more reasons than I can count. Call me a "conspiracy theorist" for my skepticism? - i don't care any more - if anything, such could be regarded as a compliment. I don't believe we'll ever know the real story there. In the Aurora case, I have a sneaking suspicion that once again, it will be yet another messy, inconclusive affair with a bunch of stuff that doesn't properly add up.