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Inside OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion GM: Go Full Screen on any display

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In OS X Mountain Lion, Apple has taken an incremental step toward making OS X's new iPad-like Full Screen mode more useful: you can now pick which connected display you want to use.

The path to Full Screen in Lion

Apple first began developing the concept of full screen functionality within its own iLife apps, particularly iPhoto. In iPhoto '09 (released in January 2009 for OS X 10.5 Leopard), users could enter a special full screen mode that provided distinctly dark "heads up display" toolbars.

In late 2010, Steve Jobs demonstrated Full Screen as a new feature of OS Lion, providing it a system-wide feature that apps could make use of to switch from a windowing environment to a simpler, distraction-free Full Screen display similar in many respects to the iPad.

Jobs demonstrated Preview and what would later ship as iPhoto 11 on OS X Lion, where when entering Full Screen mode, the system would actually hide the toolbar.

Additionally, rather than presenting "heads up display" style toolbars, apps taking advantage of Lion's new Full Screen feature would instead adopt a revised user interface suited to working within a single screen, and very similar in appearance and design to the iPad's default user interface.

Mac OS X Lion scroll bars

Mac OS X Lion scroll bars


Full Screen... with multiple screens

At the time, the idea of removing the previously always-visible Mac menu bar and allowing inactive scrollbars to vanish when not in use appeared to be the most controversial aspects of the new Full Screen feature.

In reality, users seemed to readily adopt the optional new Full Screen feature without significant complaints, and simply didn't use it if they couldn't find it useful to their needs.

Except for one group of users, that is: anyone with multiple monitors. Apple's new Full Screen feature instantly makes any connected displays completely worthless anytime an app enters Full Screen mode. That's because the system blanks all secondary displays with "dark linen" and simply uses the primary display to go full screen (below top: Safari in Full Screen under Mountain Lion on a secondary monitor; below bottom: the primary display is blanked and therefore useless).




Full Screen is clearly only useful to users who are working on a single display, because blanked external displays can't be used for anything else. You can't open a second Full Screen app to display in it, you can't show the desktop on it, and there's nothing you can drag (say, app toolbars) into the secondary display to free more screen real estate.

Full Screen on any display in Mountain Lion

Improving this situation isn't simple. How could you actually work in Full Screen on one monitor while the system attempted to retain a fully functional desktop on another? What happens when you try to move a window from one display to the Full Screen one (which is designed purposely to avoid the complexity and distractions of a windowing environment)?

Apple's solution in Mountain Lion is an incremental band-aid, but does expand the usefulness of Full Screen mode to users who connect to external displays. New in Mountain Lion is the ability to target which screen you want to go Full Screen in. In the screen shots above, Safari was taken full screen on an externally connected HDTV.

This allows notebook users, for example, to connect to a big external display and use it for Full Screen work. Unfortunately, all the other screens are still blanked, but there isn't a simple fix to addressing this in a sensible way.

Note that Lion users can already do essentially the same thing by using display mirroring rather than setting up their external display as an expanded bit of desktop before entering Full Screen. In Mountain Lion however, Full Screen apps can actually make use of the greater resolution available on a large external display, rather than scaling down to show the image on the primary display.

And of course, tech-savvy Lion users can also configure their external display as the primary screen, but jumping through hoops like that erases the simplicity that Full Screen is supposed to provide.

This is likely why Mountain Lion now supports (on Macs with compatible hardware) AirPlay Mirroring but not simply AirPlay distribution of a virtual secondary monitor screen.

AirPlay Mirroring is targeted to address effortless, wireless presentation of what you see on your Mac (or iPad, or iPhone or iPod touch) to a TV screen via Apple TV, not for setting up a complex multiple display configuration that wouldn't have a clear or obvious purpose and not be broadly useful. At the same time, however, users can now turn on AirPlay Mirroring and take an app Full Screen to easily show what they're doing to a larger audience.

Multiple Full Screen apps? Consider Spaces and Screen Sharing

In the future, Apple could build support into OS X to allow multiple monitors to each display different Spaces of the virtual desktop. Users can already switch between Spaces supporting a desktop with windows and other Spaces, each with a dedicated app running in Full Screen mode, but can only see one Space at a time.

Displaying different Spaces on different monitors would be one solution to allowing users with multiple monitor to use each of them at the same time in Full Screen mode, but it also raises new problems.

Unlike the existing behavior, where different Spaces are never active and visible at the same time (and therefore users have no way of trying to drag windows or toolbars or selections between them without the Space "changing"), it might be confusing for users to see Safari running Full Screen on one display, Mail in another, and the desktop on the primary, and not have the ability to drag items between them.

Changing how Spaces' virtual desktops work would also affect remote display apps such as ARD and OS X's built in Screen Sharing. However, Apple earlier enhanced Screen Sharing in OS X Lion to enable remote users to not just see the logged in user's desktop, but alternatively log in as a separate, concurrent graphical user (shown below).



That's not the same issue, but it does show Apple is investigating various ways to improve users' experience in working with multiple users, screens and displays. Apple has also added support in Mountain Lion Screen Sharing for drag and drop of files between the local system and a remote system's shared screen.

In any case, until changes are made in the technical underpinnings of OS X's Full Screen and virtual display Spaces, the best one can do in Mountain Lion is pick which display to take the current app Full Screen in, which is at least a significant step ahead of Lion's implementation.
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I really don't feel that the situation is all that complicated to solve. Ideally, Mission Control would allow you to drag/drop running apps on to the screen you what them to operate on in full-screen. This would allow you to have a full screen app on one display, and another full screen app on the other (or alternatively, the desktop where apps would run normally). When using the gestures to swipe between fullscreen apps, the gesture would work on whichever screen your cursor was currently hovering over, and the OS would simply skip over the app that was currently running on any other display.

At least, that was the behavior I had expected from Lion, and was surprised when it didn't operate anything like that.
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Ideally, Mission Control would allow you to drag/drop running apps on to the screen you what them to operate on in full-screen.

 

I'd love if in Mission Control you could drag any application's window from any Space to any Space from any Space.

Take this:

 

 

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HI, HUDDLER. THANKS FOR THE TINY IMAGE.

 

Say I wanted to drag the window open in Space 4 to Space 2, but I'm in Space 1 right now. I can't do it. I'd like that ability.

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Aperture gained Full Screen mode in version 1.5.3 (2007) I can't remember when IE got the F11 option, but I wouldn't t be surprised if it was 10 years ago. Didn't Word had this in version 4 or 5, copying WP?

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I'd love if in Mission Control you could drag any application's window from any Space to any Space from any Space.

Take this:

 

 

1000

 

 

HI, HUDDLER. THANKS FOR THE TINY IMAGE.

 

Say I wanted to drag the window open in Space 4 to Space 2, but I'm in Space 1 right now. I can't do it. I'd like that ability.

It's not as intuitive as it should be, but you can already do this in Lion. While in Mission Control, you can press Ctrl + Left or Right Arrow Keys to switch the active space, and then drag and drop apps to other spaces.

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I'd love if in Mission Control you could drag any application's window from any Space to any Space from any Space.


Take this:





HI, HUDDLER. THANKS FOR THE TINY IMAGE.

Say I wanted to drag the window open in Space 4 to Space 2, but I'm in Space 1 right now. I can't do it. I'd like that ability.

Did you ever try clicking on the image? It gets bigger and even has arrows navigation for additional images.
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Mac fan boys are all oh windows this and windows dat.. and Mac OS is oh so great...but these problems that mac having are already implemented in almost every windows OS. Ok, so im use to having 2 monitors running different programs at the same time in windows. VLC on one watching movie and the other have google chrome so I can monitor ma email/facebook. I got a macbook pro and the first thing i love is the full screen option which opens a desktop of it own automatically and i can 4-finger swipe through them. I also got a minidisplay to hdmi adapter and connected a 55" led tv, ready to get more screen real estate, so you can imagine my surprise when my 55" tv went grey. I went mad, is like a total waste to rawtid. And then display properties come up on the screen they apply to, i like that, so I was hoping the 4 finger swipe would apply to the screen the mouse was on...needless to say again I was disappointed. I dont see the WOW factor in a MAC OS, i really dont.

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Did you ever try clicking on the image? It gets bigger and even has arrows navigation for additional images.

 

Oh, I know; I just want it to fill the entire <p> inline with the rest of the post if the image is at least that big.

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Mac fan boys are all oh windows this and windows dat.. and Mac OS is oh so great...but these problems that mac having are already implemented in almost every windows OS. Ok, so im use to having 2 monitors running different programs at the same time in windows. VLC on one watching movie and the other have google chrome so I can monitor ma email/facebook. I got a macbook pro and the first thing i love is the full screen option which opens a desktop of it own automatically and i can 4-finger swipe through them. I also got a minidisplay to hdmi adapter and connected a 55" led tv, ready to get more screen real estate, so you can imagine my surprise when my 55" tv went grey. I went mad, is like a total waste to rawtid. And then display properties come up on the screen they apply to, i like that, so I was hoping the 4 finger swipe would apply to the screen the mouse was on...needless to say again I was disappointed. I dont see the WOW factor in a MAC OS, i really dont.

 

Wanna know what the WOW factor is? It's beginning to be about what was NOT included in OS X. 

 

Like this:

 

 

1000

 

 

WOW. OS X *doesn't* look like psychedelic clown vomit.

 

That's just for starters. 

 

Then there's how all that mess was married to "regular" Windows. Parts of Windows 8 are only available in Metro flavour, parts only in Desktop.

It's not an either / or. You're flipping back and forth between the two as you work. In terms of CONTEXT - it's as messed up and jarring as you can get.

Remember BumpTop? Great idea, right? What a concept! All that 3D desktop goodness. All that cool interaction with files. Then you open one of those 

files and what do you get? A 2-D Finder Window. Orientation and context totally thrown off.

 

So what is Windows 8 supposed to be? Metro or regular Windows? And if we have regular Windows, what is the point of Metro?  What we have then is something called Windows 8 that's a) either a hybrid of Windows 7.1 and an unnamed OS,

or a b) mish-mash of both. The non-Windows 7.1 parts of Windows 8 are anything but Windows, and yet . . .  the other stuff *is* Windows.  HUH????

 

All of this results in a slapping together of mismatched features to achieve a galactic level of clunkiness. 

 

And why?

 

Because Microsoft just HAD TO *REACT* in some way - ANY WAY - to the myriad ways in which Apple was embarrassing them up and down the consumer market. 

When you just react, you don't think. And Windows 8 is anything but thought-out. 


Edited by Quadra 610 - 7/21/12 at 2:38pm
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Wanna know what the WOW factor is? It's beginning to be about what was NOT included in OS X. 

 

Like this:

 

 

1000

 

 

WOW. OS X *doesn't* look like psychedelic clown vomit.

 

That's just for starters. 


I've been using Win 8 for a while, and while I'm not a fan of it in general (the Metro interface that is) when you put it this way, I really lose faith in MS' ability to get anything right.

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OS X *doesn't* look like psychedelic clown vomit.

 

I'd quote that if my signature wasn't busy keeping people from starting new threads.

 

Is Microsoft planning to let us create/replace those Metro icons with our own? We still can't in the RP. I found one for Safari that I'd like to use instead of "blank square, words, tiny old-style icon" (since that's just stupid), as well as icons for other applications…

 

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In Windows, I try to make my experience as Windows as possible rather than OS X-ing it up, but I think I might try out a prettier set… 

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Unfortunately, all the other screens are still blanked, but there isn't a simple fix to addressing this in a sensible way.

 

Well, that's disappointing. So far I've assumed the Mountain Lion improvement would fix exactly that...

 

And of course there is a simple fix. (Simple regarding the concept, not the implementation.) Just have a regular desktop on one screen, and a full screen app on the other. The mouse cursor moves between the monitors and nothing else does. http://synergy-foss.org/ uses the same concept and feels pretty "sensible".

 

 

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I'd like to be able to split a desktop/space into 2 side-by-side desktops, each of which behaves like any other desktop so you'd be able to rearrange the split desktops independently. Plenty of room for this on a 27" screen, and it would allow better app organization and the ability to easily rearrange your overall workspace depending on the exact task at the moment.
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Sorry, but the current behavior is completely broken.  Prior to "full screen" one could play a DVD with DVD Player and the player would be full screen on the monitor I chose and I could keep working with menu bar etc. on the other screen.  That was useful.  The 'new' full screen behavior takes away functionality we have had for years.  Let's call it what it is - completely broken for folks with multiple monitors.  I used to be able to go full screen in an app on one monitor and not full screen mode on the other monitors.  Just give us back functionality we already had.  I've had macs since '84, but when Apple does nonsense like this it drives me nuts.  They are taking away functionality in the interest of some purist full-screen vision. 

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I have six monitors. Mountain Lion's Full screen mode becomes six times as stupid on my Mac Pro.

 

All part of the dumbing down of OSX.

 

Fortunately, Snow Leopard works pretty well with multiple monitors, and I don't have to be sucked into the (cough) "vision" of whoever came up with this stupidity (or the sandbox, or certificates, or the crippled app store apps...)

 

Yeah, good luck with the new shiny, kids. If you grow up and actually begin to use your computer for real work, maybe you can get a copy of Snow Leopard on EBay.

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All part of the dumbing down of OSX. Yeah, good luck with the new shiny, kids. If you grow up and actually begin to use your computer for real work, maybe you can get a copy of Snow Leopard on EBay.

 

FUD FUD FUD, THE BOYS ARE MAR~CHING!

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Apple does provide a way for you to use the secondary display as the primary monitor, just go to System Preferences --> Displays, click and hold the white bar above the first blue screen, then drag it to the second one. It's not idea, no, but it works.

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Sorry, but the current behavior is completely broken.  Prior to "full screen" one could play a DVD with DVD Player and the player would be full screen on the monitor I chose and I could keep working with menu bar etc. on the other screen.  That was useful.  The 'new' full screen behavior takes away functionality we have had for years.  Let's call it what it is - completely broken for folks with multiple monitors.  I used to be able to go full screen in an app on one monitor and not full screen mode on the other monitors.  Just give us back functionality we already had.  I've had macs since '84, but when Apple does nonsense like this it drives me nuts.  They are taking away functionality in the interest of some purist full-screen vision. 

 

 

I am confused I am on Lion and from my Mac I can watch a DVD full screen on an external TV set, and on the Mac's screen use the desk top as normal. What am I missing is the problem? 

 

To do that I have to fiddle with some settings on both the TV and Mac, but it works fine. 

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FUD FUD FUD, THE BOYS ARE MAR~CHING!

Sadly, he is not wrong though is he.

It is a real shame. It is unlikely to hurt Apple at all as they are so far ahead of Windows. But it would be nice if they would stop with all the stripping out of OSX.

The situation almost calls for and OS X Pro. Still X / X Server 10.6.8 will do for a good while yet in most enterprise / business environments.
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Sadly, he is not wrong though is he.

 

No… he is… hence the remark about FUD in the first place… 

 

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It is a real shame. It is unlikely to hurt Apple at all as they are so far ahead of Windows. But it would be nice if they would stop with all the stripping out of OSX.

 

Nothing is being stripped out. They've added functionality, some would say partial, that had never been in OS X previously at all.


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A phone is a different device from a tablet and a tablet is a different device from a PC. They have different hardware, different screen sizes, different user input methods and different uses. Thus, they should all have a different user interface. A unified user interface leads to messy compromises. 

 

Microsoft made this mistake with Windows Mobile and now with Metro. It's a shame that Apple is making the same mistake with OSX.

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Agreed, it reminds me of the Windows XP "Fischer Price" theme. Let's face it, MS just, simply, has no taste. The intro to the Surface was nauseating and so is this OS theme! Ugh! :)

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A phone is a different device from a tablet and a tablet is a different device from a PC. They have different hardware, different screen sizes, different user input methods and different uses. Thus, they should all have a different user interface. A unified user interface leads to messy compromises. 

 

Microsoft made this mistake with Windows Mobile and now with Metro. It's a shame that Apple is making the same mistake with OSX.

I certainly see your point! :) But I have to admit, 99% of my "computing" is so much easier and more fun on iOS....and the more Apple melds the two makes it more fun and easier to use. Power users? I can see your concern, but for everybody else, I think Apple is on the right track.

 

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Well, Im really comparing Mac OS X to Windows 7. I always give software time to iron bugs b4 i start using, so no windows 8 for me yet. But I really dont see how the Mac OS beats windows 7 when it comes to dual screen functionality. I admit, I love the display on Macs and the smooth gestures HANDS DOWN.  The mac ok is nice, but the way the few people were talking about it, i was expecting more. to be honest, im very disappointed.

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Sorry, but the current behavior is completely broken.  Prior to "full screen" one could play a DVD with DVD Player and the player would be full screen on the monitor I chose and I could keep working with menu bar etc. on the other screen.  That was useful.  The 'new' full screen behavior takes away functionality we have had for years.  Let's call it what it is - completely broken for folks with multiple monitors.  I used to be able to go full screen in an app on one monitor and not full screen mode on the other monitors.  Just give us back functionality we already had.  I've had macs since '84, but when Apple does nonsense like this it drives me nuts.  They are taking away functionality in the interest of some purist full-screen vision. 

It is not OS X that is broken, it is individual apps that have certain features or not. Applications must explicitly be coded to use the systemwide fullscreen mode, if the developer decides not to use the standard feature set (or not to have a fullscreen mode at all), they can implement other fullscreen modes.

 

Take VLC, it goes fullscreen on whatever screen its window resides when you invoke fullscreen mode. Take Aperture, it allows you to select which monitor is the on that takes the primary fullscreen content, and it lets you decide what the other monitor shows (black, the linen pattern, mirroring, or a selected image).

 

What Apple added with Lion was a systemwide method and UI to make fullscreen apps. It made it easier for developers to integrate a fullscreen mode into their applications, it made it easier for the user because all applications using it used the same UI and commands to enter fullscreen mode and it automatically created a new space for fullscreen apps, making it easier to switch from a fullscreen app to another one. In that process, applications that already had fullscreen modes (like DVD player) could lose fullscreen features that went beyond the basic systemwide method. As so often, Apple chose consistency over features. But the number of applications that lost features was very small (largely DVD player and iPhoto to my knowledge, not sure about third-party ones) and some applications like Aperture retained their extra fullscreen features (almost, it lost one minor feature).

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If Mountain Lion has evolved into something troubling with it's full screen implementation (and I personally dislike what OSX is becoming), I can't imagine the agonizing mess Win 8 has become.

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I have six monitors. Mountain Lion's Full screen mode becomes six times as stupid on my Mac Pro.

 

All part of the dumbing down of OSX.

 

Fortunately, Snow Leopard works pretty well with multiple monitors, and I don't have to be sucked into the (cough) "vision" of whoever came up with this stupidity (or the sandbox, or certificates, or the crippled app store apps...)

So, not having any OS-wide fullscreen in Snow Leopard is better than not using the fullscreen mode in Lion (or Mountain Lion)? How is the presence of a feature that you don't use (aka Lion) worse than the absence of that feature (Snow Leopard)?

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If Mountain Lion has evolved into something troubling with it's full screen implementation (and I personally dislike what OSX is becoming), I can't imagine the agonizing mess Win 8 has become.

 

Imagine relying on a button to do almost anything on your computer. That button is gone. The functionality is still there, but it looks completely different and is used differently.

 

And half of it is on the other side of the screen where you'd never think to look for it.

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Correct me if I am wrong but isn't the golden master basically the final release?  I mean I installed Lion GM on my machine and it seems identical to the retail.  I havent had to upgrade the lion os GM or have had any issues.  So if one has the Mountain Lion GM or downloads the torrent of it they will actually have the real deal right?

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Correct me if I am wrong but isn't the golden master basically the final release?  I mean I installed Lion GM on my machine and it seems identical to the retail.  I havent had to upgrade the lion os GM or have had any issues.  So if one has the Mountain Lion GM or downloads the torrent of it they will actually have the real deal right?

 

Very nearly, yes. Apple has released updates to GMs before, but often it's 1:1.

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You know what would be simple and, ahem, sensible? Not switching every monitor. I get this, one can switch to an entirely different workspace with a simple swipe, on all the available monitors… except this behavior cripples every full screen app (which, supposedly, Apple is pushing).

Ideally, apps can use all the monitors, so you can get a single-tasking environment on every monitor… but most apps only really need one monitor.

 

Back to the solution: one app uses one screen, one space uses one screen. If I create a space on screen 1, it doesn't mean I need it on screen 2. Also, if I go fullscreen on screen 2, leave screen 1 alone. 

 

It's pretty simple if you think about that, it has always been like that, everywhere. I used to play fullscreen on Windows and have Winamp + MSN Messenger on the second monitor: it worked.

 

There would still be some behaviors that need to addressed, but nothing unfeasible. 

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I really don't feel that the situation is all that complicated to solve. Ideally, Mission Control would allow you to drag/drop running apps on to the screen you what them to operate on in full-screen. This would allow you to have a full screen app on one display, and another full screen app on the other (or alternatively, the desktop where apps would run normally). When using the gestures to swipe between fullscreen apps, the gesture would work on whichever screen your cursor was currently hovering over, and the OS would simply skip over the app that was currently running on any other display.

I don't understand. An app that runs fullscreen is a space, which would make dragging that application to a different space the dragging of a space to a space. That makes no sense.

 

And could any of the people who want to have different fullscreen applications on different monitors tell me how the user would know which is the active frontmost application? Because keyboard shortcuts act on the frontmost application only (with the exception of tools that offer system-wide shortcuts) and thus it would be rather important for the user to know this.

 

Even third-party apps that had fullscreen modes independent of the OS implementation tend to apply fullscreen mode to all displays (if they are smart). Take VLC which blacks out the other monitor when switching to fullscreen mode, or Aperture which had fullscreen mode long before Lion (and which offered to use a second monitor for some useful for the application, eg, mirroring, show a list of images on one monitor and one image fullscreen on the other, or just blackening out the other monitor as to remove distractions, as removing distractions is one of the key reasons to go to fullscreen mode). Or take Powerpoint or Keynote which offer a presenters view with upcoming slides and a timer on the second monitor when using fullscreen mode.

 

Having separate spaces for each desktop is certainly an imaginable feature but I don't think making that the default would be helpful. Because a lot of applications (in particular in non-fullscreen mode) can span multiple displays (eg, the Finder but in fact every application that has multiple windows and even single windows can span monitors), having spaces that affect only one display would be very awkward to use with an application that has windows on multiple displays.

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You know what would be simple and, ahem, sensible? Not switching every monitor. I get this, one can switch to an entirely different workspace with a simple swipe, on all the available monitors… except this behavior cripples every full screen app (which, supposedly, Apple is pushing).

Ideally, apps can use all the monitors, so you can get a single-tasking environment on every monitor… but most apps only really need one monitor.

 

Back to the solution: one app uses one screen, one space uses one screen. If I create a space on screen 1, it doesn't mean I need it on screen 2. Also, if I go fullscreen on screen 2, leave screen 1 alone. 

 

It's pretty simple if you think about that, it has always been like that, everywhere. I used to play fullscreen on Windows and have Winamp + MSN Messenger on the second monitor: it worked.

 

Just leave it to the app developer to add options for what happens on a second monitor when going fullscreen. If an app developer decides to black out other screens, it is a feature of that app not of the OS.

 

And again, how do you address the issue of keyboard shortcuts if you have multiple apps visible but no menubar (because the fullscreen mode by design removes the menubar for the app in fullscreen mode)?


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Sadly, he is not wrong though is he.
It is a real shame. It is unlikely to hurt Apple at all as they are so far ahead of Windows. But it would be nice if they would stop with all the stripping out of OSX.
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Correct me if I am wrong but isn't the golden master basically the final release?  I mean I installed Lion GM on my machine and it seems identical to the retail.  I havent had to upgrade the lion os GM or have had any issues.  So if one has the Mountain Lion GM or downloads the torrent of it they will actually have the real deal right?

It typically is the release, as noted by the build number, they ship out but it's not necessarily going to be the same build number. The point of the GM is to make one final sweep of the code and functionality to ensure there is no major issues still hiding out.

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 there is no way to add your new apps, everything has to go through the Mac App Store, unless someone finds a way to jailbreak their Mac¡ If this keeps up the next version of Xcode to develop Mac and iOS apps will be Windows program¡

Now, why would anybody claim one cannot install new applications anymore under Mountain Lion except via the Mac App Store? Because they just don't know better but apparently are not self-aware enough to refrain from making statements on things they don't know enough about? Or because they are demagogues and find pleasure in slander and belittling others? Take your pick.


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Now, why would anybody claim one cannot install new applications anymore under Mountain Lion except via the Mac App Store? Because they just don't know better but apparently are not self-aware enough to refrain from making statements on things they don't know enough about? Or because they are a demagogues and find pleasure in slander? Take your pick.

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APPLE **** I KNOW SOMEONE MUST BE READING THIS **** For CRYING out loud, fix this. This is the most IDIOTIC error present in your OS (10.7 and 10.8).  It's a grave design flaw - The Full screen app + blank second screen has absolutely no function nor beauty. Maybe you are thinking that it's a pretty choice since I cannot think any other reason for you not fixing it. Well is not pretty. AND It doesn't work.

 

 

Thanks

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APPLE **** I KNOW SOMEONE MUST BE READING THIS **** For CRYING out loud, fix this. This is the most IDIOTIC error present in your OS (10.7 and 10.8).  It's a grave design flaw - The Full screen app + blank second screen has absolutely no function nor beauty. Maybe you are thinking that it's a pretty choice since I cannot think any other reason for you not fixing it. Well is not pretty. AND It doesn't work.

 

We're not Apple. Your concern would be best directed here.

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Thanks! I just copied and pasted over there. I do hope they listen

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