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Apple's next iPhone reaffirmed to have smaller 19-pin dock connector

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Joining earlier claims that Apple plans to shrink the dock connector on its next iPhone, Reuters reported on Monday that Apple's sixth-generation handset will feature a 19-pin port.

The change will "make room for the earphone moving to the bottom," Monday's report said, citing two unnamed sources. Authors Clare Jim and Lee Chyen Yee also reaffirmed that the next iPhone is expected to go on sale "around October."

Claims of a "mini dock" for the next iPhone are not new, but more specific reports of a 19-pin dock connector first surfaced over a month ago. The new standard will presumably be incompatible with current accessories, but would allow Apple to adopt new product designs, such as a larger battery or smaller form factor.

Analysts who spoke with Reuters believe that Apple will attempt to placate current iPhone customers who will upgrade to the new model and find their existing accessories no longer work. It was speculated that Apple will provide some sort of adaptor allowing the new iPhone to be used with legacy accessories that rely on the 30-pin connection.

Also supporting claims of a smaller dock connector on the next iPhone are device renderings and third-party cases that have leaked online in recent weeks. They also show a device with a larger, 16-to-9 display, along with a headphone jack moved to the bottom of the device.

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Other parts that have leaked online suggest the next iPhone will have a centered FaceTime camera, while the home button below the front display will remain unchanged. The next iPhone is also expected to feature in-cell touchscreen technology that will allow the display on the handset to be even thinner than the current design.
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I don't care if it's smaller, as long as it's way faster. Data transfers are excruciatingly slow.
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Well with the slimmer screen and this smaller pin connector theiphone 5 is going to be a really slim phone. Hopefully LTE and quad core also...
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I don't care if it's smaller, as long as it's way faster. Data transfers are excruciatingly slow.

 

The current form factor is good.  If they really feel the need to increase the screen size, they can shrink some of the black space and barely change the case size.  It doesn't need to be any thinner.  Speaking of data speeds, Sprint just gave me a .11Mbps down and .28Mbps up check.  Bleh.  Yes its unlimited data but its so slow

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I guess if you have enough reports on a rumour people consider it to be legit :p i'll believe it when i see it :p

 

as much as id like a new connector, there are so so so many third part devices (Car stereos, speakers, car chargers & lots more) that use the current style 30pin connector.

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I'm amazed the current connector has lasted this long (especially given Apple's penchant for changing power and video connectors on laptops). It needs to be brought up to date, and this is probably a good time. A MagSafe version might be nice, but probably difficult with 19 pins. Adapters aren't perfect (I.e for docking speaker systems) but should suffice in many situations.
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Bring Thunderbolt. A port to rule them all!!!

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as much as id like a new connector, there are so so so many third part devices (Car stereos, speakers, car chargers & lots more) that use the current style 30pin connector.

 

Who cares? Why should Apple give a crap about the past if they know something is better?

They made a new MagSafe port. It's barely over a millimeter thinner. Should they have made it thinner than it is? I think so, but I know very little of electrical engineering to know if it would have been possible.

 

MagSafe was "fine", and would have been more than fine for any other manufacturer (because no other manufacturer even tries to make anything anywhere near similar to it), but Apple made it better because it was holding back their product development.

 

Just like the DECADE-OLD 30-pin Dock Connector is.

 

They'll make a new port, they'll make a $10 adapter for it, and the entire accessory industry will get $10,000,000,000 from people buying new accessories to be directly compatible with their new devices.

 

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Bring Thunderbolt.

 

The pins, at least.

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I guess if you have enough reports on a rumour people consider it to be legit 1tongue.gif i'll believe it when i see it 1tongue.gif

as much as id like a new connector, there are so so so many third part devices (Car stereos, speakers, car chargers & lots more) that use the current style 30pin connector.
OK I'm confused, my car stero has a USB adapter. That's what I plug my iPhone into. Will that change with this new connector? Are they going to micro USB?
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OK I'm confused, my car stero has a USB adapter. That's what I plug my iPhone into. Will that change with this new connector? Are they going to micro USB?

 

Not in the slightest. He's assuming that vehicles have the Dock Connector built physically into the car, and only a very few models have anything like that.

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I guess if you have enough reports on a rumour people consider it to be legit 1tongue.gif i'll believe it when i see it 1tongue.gif

as much as id like a new connector, there are so so so many third part devices (Car stereos, speakers, car chargers & lots more) that use the current style 30pin connector.

I'm sure there will be a simple inline adapter available either from Apple immediately or from Griffin et al a few weeks later.
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Not in the slightest. He's assuming that vehicles have the Dock Connector built physically into the car, and only a very few models have anything like that.

Me being one, I paid $500 to have one installed prior to delivery on my new Jeep Grand Cherokee a few years back as Chrysler, the cheap bar stewards, didn't include one, and this a a Limited Edition!

So I for one trust there will be a simple inline adapter. It will no doubt cost an arm and a leg.
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Bring Thunderbolt. A port to rule them all!!!

Right because Windows users (and they do make up a serious chunk of all iPhone users) have that port readily available.  

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I don't want the earphone connector on the bottom of my iPhone. The two times I placed my iPhone in my shirt pocket in an inverted position, it switched off. The last time, it went into some kind of diagnostic mode, it took me over a day to get it turned back on again!!!
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This is one of the few things I'm very interested to watch. I'm very curious what third party manufacturers will do. There's almost 400 million iOS devices in the wild according to Apple at this point. Also, when the new phone does go on sale Apple will still be selling the iPad 2, the New iPad, iPhone 4S, 4 and most likely the 3GS. So from a third party view it looks more economical to support the 'legacy' version.

That said, car sterios are almost always USB anyway and you generally only see direct interface on cheap sterios and mini, horrible sounding speakers. To me it doesn't matter. Everything I have at home is Air Play inabled, and when I get in my car my phone connects by Bluetooth without taking it out of my purse.

I will miss the fact that almost everyone you know has a charger for your phone. Even the Android folks own iPods. That statistic has been changing over the past years as everyone just uses their phone for music even at the gym. However that trend should reverse with all these giant Android phones coming out and maybe iPods will have a resurgence. Some of those phones wold look weird, like a tablet strapped to someone's arm, and you would either break it or it wold pull your pants down of you put it in your sweat pants pocket. Maybe the new fad will be leg straps instead of arm straps.
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Is this all we've got to look forward to - 2 or 3 months of the same iPhone rumours over and over again?

 

I wish Apple was as prolific as some of the other consumer electronics companies so that we get new products every month.

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So from a third party view it looks more economical to support the 'legacy' version.

 

There will be an adapter from one to the other released at the same time so everything will continue to work.

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How can the headphone jack fit on the bottom of an iPod touch but no an iPhone?

 

 


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So I for one trust there will be a simple inline adapter. It will no doubt cost an arm and a leg.

 

$10, I imagine. Same as the MagSafe-MagSafe2 adapter.

 

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How can the headphone jack fit on the bottom of an iPod touch but no an iPhone?

 

Dock Connector+speaker+microphone=no room.

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Not in the slightest. He's assuming that vehicles have the Dock Connector built physically into the car, and only a very few models have anything like that.


That's what I thought.  I get why some might be concerned about the change.  But they've had the 30-pin connector for 9 years now.  I'm surprised it's lasted that long.

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Who cares? Why should Apple give a crap about the past if they know something is better?

They made a new MagSafe port. It's barely over a millimeter thinner. Should they have made it thinner than it is? I think so, but I know very little of electrical engineering to know if it would have been possible.

 

MagSafe was "fine", and would have been more than fine for any other manufacturer (because no other manufacturer even tries to make anything anywhere near similar to it), but Apple made it better because it was holding back their product development.

 

Just like the DECADE-OLD 30-pin Dock Connector is.

 

They'll make a new port, they'll make a $10 adapter for it, and the entire accessory industry will get $10,000,000,000 from people buying new accessories to be directly compatible with their new devices.

 

The pins, at least.

Haha yeah of course people will buy it, i'll be one of them lets face it, if there is an adapter that would totally work, but for a lot people out there it might put them off, i know people like this, i think they are nuts & they like living in the past.

I have friends that would still like to use win XP but the i7 processor to turbo boost properly needs vista or win 7, but i heard non-stop bitching about that :p

Sometimes i'm the devils advocate, trying to see things from the non technical persons point of view also, seeing things from the non apple fanboy point of view, which many many people here can't do, they just can't. 

personally i don't mind if the doc connector changes, just means i would buy a few more spare cables & I'm good to go :p 

Im kinda hoping they go for a magsafe style doc connector.

 

 

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OK I'm confused, my car stero has a USB adapter. That's what I plug my iPhone into. Will that change with this new connector? Are they going to micro USB?
 
i've seen alot of car stereos, alpine ones, pioneer ones, they have a hard line with 30pin connector, without a usb port, my old car stereo was like that, alot of older BMWs are like that too, my current one is a usb port which is more of a standard these days but still, its sometimes easier to buy a new phone then a new car (or car stereo).
what i'm getting at is, if someone a BMW with hardline 30pin doc connector & the iPhone changes to a 19pin or whatever it is, they would have to consider not upgrading unless i could change get a new car stereo (or do what i do & leave my old 60GB iPod video in the car)
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People are usually resistant to change.  I like new things and change is usually good.  In this case, I'm a little disappointed with the dock connector change, for reasons others have given.  I bought a new car with the built-in dock connector.  I like it, but if I get the iPhone 5, this becomes useless or I'll have to use an (yet to be manufactured)  adapter (for a yet to be disclosed price).  I dislike adapters, but will use them if forced to do so.  I have an original iPhone cradle that I have made to fit my iPhone 4.  I like this, too.  But even an adapter will render this useless.  It would be so nice if there were an industry standard connector for all peripherals that could stand the test of time.  I guess 10 years is a pretty long time.  USB is pretty close to this, but now Thunderbolt is trying to take the spot.  Oh well, I guess we'll just all have to get used to change.

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Having the same size connectors has been one of the major success factors for the iPhone. It enables a massive ecosystem of docks, speakers, cables etc which can be sold to a mass market. That Google did not copy this is likewise a major contribution to the failure of a big accessory market for phones running that OS.

 

A couple of points 

 

- There will be an adaptor, no way Apple would do that to their customers who they are turning into Apple product centric Homes/Businesses. Probably at US$10.00 but soon copied down to sub US$5. You can buy an iDevice charging cable for this and the adaptor would use less material

 

- 9 years is an AMAZING amount of time, I struggle to think of anything apart from Audio jacks which have lasted as long in the Consumer Electronics/IT arena? I'm sure people will come up with examples but the point is there

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I can't wait to get rid of my iPhone 4. It's also the last time I use a phone for two years. There is simply no benefit in me "saving" a few hundred dollars to use a slower device with buttons that have worn twice as much as I'd like to be.

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People are usually resistant to change.  I like new things and change is usually good.  In this case, I'm a little disappointed with the dock connector change, for reasons others have given.  I bought a new car with the built-in dock connector.  I like it, but if I get the iPhone 5, this becomes useless or I'll have to use an (yet to be manufactured)  adapter (for a yet to be disclosed price).  I dislike adapters, but will use them if forced to do so.  I have an original iPhone cradle that I have made to fit my iPhone 4.  I like this, too.  But even an adapter will render this useless.  It would be so nice if there were an industry standard connector for all peripherals that could stand the test of time.  I guess 10 years is a pretty long time.  USB is pretty close to this, but now Thunderbolt is trying to take the spot.  Oh well, I guess we'll just all have to get used to change.

1) I understand not likely the change for change sake but it's been nearly a decade with the same 30-pin connector is very generous for a tech company. There is progress in design and usability that is being held back by the large connector with pins for FireWire that haven't even be usable for charging for years.

2) A truly universal standard would be great but there are typically issues that make it hard for an industry to design such a thing. Just imagine if we only were allowed to have VGA on our notebooks because that was was decreed by the powers at be. Having certain companies take a risk to push an envelope helps drive the market which i think is better for us than possibly having to buy an adapter or new accessory every now and then.

3) I hope Apple has designed it to the new connector can fit well into the old, for most things with a stationary adapter.

4) If there is anything from Apple's patent portfolio that I think requires FRAND licensing I think it's their iDevice connector. Their iDevices are simply too powerful in the market to allow any other vendor, except maybe Samsung, to have a thriving accessories market. I could see Apple being required to license their dock connector to other vendors but before that I wonder why Google hasn't made their own dock connector that it could certify Android-based (or other devices) that use this connector. I think that would go a long way to giving users peace of mind and allow them to stick with Android across vendors.

5) I don't think Thunderbolt is trying to take USB's spot. It's more like FireWire, Ethernet, eSATA in its usage and I never considered any of them as trying to usurp USB.

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Bring Thunderbolt. A port to rule them all!!!

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I'm sure there will be a simple inline adapter available either from Apple immediately or from Griffin et al a few weeks later.

 

On one of my vehicles I'm still using that adapter.  I guess I'm going to have to add another....  

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I don't want the earphone connector on the bottom of my iPhone. The two times I placed my iPhone in my shirt pocket in an inverted position, it switched off. The last time, it went into some kind of diagnostic mode, it took me over a day to get it turned back on again!!!

 

You're storing it wrong!  ;-)

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- 9 years is an AMAZING amount of time, I struggle to think of anything apart from Audio jacks which have lasted as long in the Consumer Electronics/IT arena? I'm sure people will come up with examples but the point is there

Your point is made but in terms of general computing there are Ethernet, USB, VGA, and many more. The list gets really small when you only consider handheld devices. I think you nailed the only one with the headphone jack*. It even gets more impressive that Apple not only used the same dock connector design for their iPods, but for their iPhones and iPads, too.

My only question isn't why they are moving to a new connector after a decade but why they didn't do this in 2010 with the introduction of the iPad when most accessories wouldn't work anyway? To me that was a perfect time to introduce the new hotness.


* I do drop my phone an my in-ear phones make an unpleasant pop as they get pulled from my ears. On top of that I get my headphone cord caught on door handles and other things that ruined more than I care to admit. Since I use Shure my yearly headphone cost is embarrassingly high. But, I digress. I wonder if a Reverse MagSafe headphone jack would work. Of course magnets distort digital signals so what I am thinking of is not a magnet that holds the headphone jack in place but an electro magnet that will stay inactive until the system detects a sudden movement of the device (like it's falling) and/or force being applied to the jack connector at which point the magnet engages and pops the headphone connector free.

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Receptacle Plug
USB Std A.png USB Std B.png USB Mini B.png USB Micro A.png USB Micro B.png
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USB Mini-B receptacle.png No No Yes No No
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Just copied this from wikipedia 

 

This is just USB, then firewire 400 (4 pin & 6 pin) firewire 800, USB 3, Thunderbolt, probably more i cant think of, i'm sleepy its 2:45AM here :p these are standards arent they?

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Bring Thunderbolt. A port to rule them all!!!

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This is just USB, then firewire 400 (4 pin & 6 pin) firewire 800, USB 3, Thunderbolt, probably more i cant think of, i'm sleepy its 2:45AM here :p these are standards arent they?

 

I've always loved (read: hated with a mind-numbingly huge amount of rage) how the "universal" serial bus has 5/6 plugs and ports and is anything but.

 

Screw printer manufacturers, first of all.

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I'm really surprised there is so much confusion and speculation over this...

 

They're finally unveiling their new dock connector.

 

Its a new proprietary connector on the device side, and USB on the other side. It will support USB 3, obviously. Speed increases at least 3 to 5X. Size on the device goes down dramatically, huge for design purposes.

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Having the same size connectors has been one of the major success factors for the iPhone. It enables a massive ecosystem of docks, speakers, cables etc which can be sold to a mass market. That Google did not copy this is likewise a major contribution to the failure of a big accessory market for phones running that OS.

A couple of points 

- There will be an adaptor, no way Apple would do that to their customers who they are turning into Apple product centric Homes/Businesses. Probably at US$10.00 but soon copied down to sub US$5. You can buy an iDevice charging cable for this and the adaptor would use less material

- 9 years is an AMAZING amount of time, I struggle to think of anything apart from Audio jacks which have lasted as long in the Consumer Electronics/IT arena? I'm sure people will come up with examples but the point is there

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I'm really surprised there is so much confusion and speculation over this...

They're finally unveiling their new dock connector.

Its a new proprietary connector on the device side, and USB on the other side. It will support USB 3, obviously. Speed increases at least 3 to 5X. Size on the device goes down dramatically, huge for design purposes.

Maybe, but remember that Flash NAND write speeds are very limited in these devices. I seem to recall AnandTech noting about 20MB/s which is well under the current USB2 2.0 speed.

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RS232 serial... Still in production!

And I still use RS232. It's even made worse because my Cisco equipment requires it for the console ports and I then need a Serial-to-USB cable to the Console cable (Serial-to-RJ45) and still the appropriate drivers on my Mac to make it work. I have yet to find a company that makes a single USB-to-RJ45 cable with the serial components built in. I'd pay good money for them if they existed.

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I think he was talking data transfer over the wire via dock port. At least that is the way I took his comments.
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The current form factor is good.  If they really feel the need to increase the screen size, they can shrink some of the black space and barely change the case size.  It doesn't need to be any thinner.  Speaking of data speeds, Sprint just gave me a .11Mbps down and .28Mbps up check.  Bleh.  Yes its unlimited data but its so slow
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This is why I think such a port change will have to offer up more than just physically smaller connectors. At the very least it will have to support USB 3 and hopefully Thunderbolt.
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I guess if you have enough reports on a rumour people consider it to be legit 1tongue.gif i'll believe it when i see it 1tongue.gif
on the other hand Apple has used the same connector for almost ten years. Given that Apples goal in innovation leadership changing the dock connector would be a rational move if it offered up a new generation of performance.
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as much as id like a new connector, there are so so so many third part devices (Car stereos, speakers, car chargers & lots more) that use the current style 30pin connector.
True, I have a few of my own. However given a speedy new interface I'd not bat an eye at a new connector. It is no different that back in the days when the world moved away from Z80 and 6502 processors to the 16/32 bit world. A lot of people cried in their soup back then too. In the end you either march forward with technology or get left behind.
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Most windows users don't have USB 3 either and I expect that in the port as a minimal improvement. As long as Windows users can get connected nobody will care about how many can't take advantage of the faster ports. Those are legacy users and as such Apple can't focus on them. That being said I do see TB as a supplemental port to support faster transfers on machines with supporting hardware.

What people have to grasp here is what support of TB could do for "I" devices. Imagine plugging your iPhone into one of Apples TB monitors with a hard disk attached. Your iPhone could then drive an iPad sized or larger monitor and back itself up to the hard drive automagically. That same connection could allow for printing via a USB connected printer, and a keyboard attach.

Now this wouldn't happen all at once, but I can see TB support in the new dock connector opening up the platform capability wise over the coming years. TB could make iOS devices even better laptop replacements for many users. I'm so convinced of this that a TB port to me would be a sign of Apple becoming even more aggressive with post PC era devices. In fact post PC and TB are wedded together in my mind because fast connections make for more pleasurable use of the devices while extending capability considerably.
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It likely will be for years to come too. It is all about simplicity and low cost, it is just too bad RS232 is so slow these days. It along with othere "RS" standards is used widely in industry and specifically automation.

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I don't care if it's smaller, as long as it's way faster. Data transfers are excruciatingly slow.

 

I'd rather they adopted something like MagSafe + Thunderbolt... or simply wireless everything, including power.

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I've never understood that, because it isn't true.

 

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