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With a new, smaller dock connector expected to debut with Apple's next-generation iPhone, a new report claims Apple will provide customers with an adaptor to allow compatibility with a plethora of existing devices that currently connect to the iPhone's 30-pin dock connector.

The 19-pin to 30-pin dock connector adaptor will be available when the next iPhone launches according to an anonymous source who spoke with iMore. It is unknown whether the next iPhone will ship with such an adaptor in the box, or if it will be available for purchase separately.

The same site was first to report back in February that Apple was planning to replace the 30-pin dock connector found in its iPhone, iPad and iPod lineups. The new, smaller successor is expected to make its debut with Apple's sixth-generation iPhone later this year.

Earlier Monday, Reuters reaffirmed that the smaller dock connector will be a 19-pin design that will "make room for the earphone moving to the bottom." Those claims also lend credibility to leaked third-party cases that show a taller iPhone design with a smaller dock connector on the bottom.

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The initial report included speculation that Apple would attempt to placate current iPhone customers with an adaptor so that legacy devices will retain compatibility. However, sources who spoke of the switch to a smaller port did not provide any indication about availability of an adaptor.

Last month with its revamped MacBook Airs and next-generation MacBook Pro, Apple introduced a new, smaller MagSafe 2 port. The company aided in the transition to the smaller port with a MagSafe to MagSafe 2 converter that it sells for $9.99, but is not included with the notebooks.
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If true, I would guess it would be available separately for a joyous price of $29.99.

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and it will not allow for the same level of functionality 19 pins can not do what 30 pin can do. I suspect one of the things not support is video through the connector,

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If true, I would guess it would be available separately for a joyous price of $29.99.

 

 

That would yield more profits for Apple and more profits for its partners who make accessories.   If so, it seems to be the right strategy.

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and it will not allow for the same level of functionality 19 pins can not do what 30 pin can do. I suspect one of the things not support is video through the connector,

Many of the 30 pins are unused.  At least 3 of them were for analog audio out, which can now be handled by the proximally located headphone jack.  And  some pins were used for obsolete tech like firewire.

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I suspect one of the things not support is video through the connector,

 

Why?

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and it will not allow for the same level of functionality 19 pins can not do what 30 pin can do. I suspect one of the things not support is video through the connector,

I'd think that supporting video out would be a requirement. How many pins can they lose by ejecting FireWire from the design?


edit: It looks like 7 might have been used just for FW, several are unused at the time of that chart, and others look to be obsolete like the iPod Photo-only pins.

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That would yield more profits for Apple and more profits for its partners who make accessories.   If so, it seems to be the right strategy.

Jesus, there are people on here ready to pounce in defense of even the SLIGHTEST hint of any notion that something Apple does isn't absolutely fantastic. YOU MAKE US SANE APPLE FANS LOOK BAD.

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Jesus, there are people on here ready to pounce in defense of even the SLIGHTEST hint of any notion that something Apple does isn't absolutely fantastic. YOU MAKE US SANE APPLE FANS LOOK BAD.

 

It's a troll account. Ignore it.

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Things change and progress folks. Move on.

I personally will probably find it annoying that all of the chargers plugged in around the house for convenience will have to have an adaptor sitting next to them, since we will have a mix of devices for at least the near future.

 

The dock connector is dead. Long live the dock connector.

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THIS is news!? Seriously?

If Apple does reduce the size of the dock connector, OF COURSE they will offer an adapter. They LOVE dongles ... And they would be shooting themselves in the foot if they didn't because no third party is going to be ready with one ... And while man won't care about the incompatibility and buy the next iPhone anyway, many will
Put the upgrade on hold until someone offers an adapter.

But to devote an entire article to this topic alone is ridiculous ...

Must be a slow news day ...
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THIS is news!? Seriously?
If Apple does reduce the size of the dock connector, OF COURSE they will offer an adapter. They LOVE dongles ... And they would be shooting themselves in the foot if they didn't because no third party is going to be ready with one ... And while man won't care about the incompatibility and buy the next iPhone anyway, many will
Put the upgrade on hold until someone offers an adapter.
But to devote an entire article to this topic alone is ridiculous ...
Must be a slow news day ...

I imagine some people might have been assuming that a new dock connector meant a massive incompatibility problem.

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I imagine some people might have been assuming that a new dock connector meant a massive incompatibility problem.

They have, with some even going to the extreme of suggesting Apple is doing it to force users to buy all new accessories.

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How many folks will this really affect out of the whole. Perhaps a quarter? The ideal solution is for the 3rd party companies to adapt and they likely will. Until they get their stuff together this adapter will fill in the gap for most. That is if there is a change. It's still a rumor at this point

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and it will not allow for the same level of functionality 19 pins can not do what 30 pin can do. I suspect one of the things not support is video through the connector,

 

I'm guessing you haven't read the other 150 articles on this connector that have been written in the last two months or so.  The pins being deprecated are not actually being used anymore.  All functions will remain the same but on 19 pins instead of 30.  

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I'm guessing you haven't read the other 150 articles on this connector that have been written in the last two months or so.  The pins being deprecated are not actually being used anymore.  All functions will remain the same but on 19 pins instead of 30.  

can you deprecate pins? sure they're obsolete, so no longer required.

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Although at first I thought it counterintuitive to remove unused pins (what if you need more than 19 pins in a future device? change the connector again?), but looking at the amount of space the connector takes up on the bottom of my iPhone, it IS pretty wide and relatively "tall" or thick compared with the rest of the phone. In fact, I imagine that it and the camera module are significant factors in dictating thickness.

 

If Apple is yet again attempting to slim down the device, a few millimeters in thickness could certainly be shaved by reducing the thickness/size of the connector.

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Although at first I thought it counterintuitive to remove unused pins (what if you need more than 19 pins in a future device? change the connector again?), but looking at the amount of space the connector takes up on the bottom of my iPhone, it IS pretty wide and relatively "tall" or thick compared with the rest of the phone. In fact, I imagine that it and the camera module are significant factors in dictating thickness.

 

If Apple is yet again attempting to slim down the device, a few millimeters in thickness could certainly be shaved by reducing the thickness/size of the connector.

the device thickness not in question... it's the connector question.  The connector pinouts are old (like iPod Firewire connector era old).  This is like moving from SCSI to USB.

 

I'm sure engineering wise, moving the headset to the bottom (one thought antenna and/or better battery packaging), building a bigger set of speakers, a better lower mic, are important.  

 

And part of this is that it's 'time' for a new generation (iPhone 2G, 3g/3gs, 4/4s, ??)... and maybe this is something that will differentiate it, as some people want something that is visual to show they are using the newest and greatest... Stupid reason, but if it sells a couple million, maybe a good one).

 

Time will tell.  I can't see why moving the headphones to the bottom makes the user experience better (I like to dock and earbud in bed)... will that work now?

 

Any adapter will be $19.99 or less.  

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the device thickness not in question... it's the connector question.  The connector pinouts are old (like iPod Firewire connector era old).  This is like moving from SCSI to USB.

I'm sure engineering wise, moving the headset to the bottom (one thought antenna and/or better battery packaging), building a bigger set of speakers, a better lower mic, are important.  

And part of this is that it's 'time' for a new generation (iPhone 2G, 3g/3gs, 4/4s, ??)... and maybe this is something that will differentiate it, as some people want something that is visual to show they are using the newest and greatest... Stupid reason, but if it sells a couple million, maybe a good one).

Time will tell.  I can't see why moving the headphones to the bottom makes the user experience better (I like to dock and earbud in bed)... will that work now?

Any adapter will be $19.99 or less.  

1) I'll be happy not to have my headphone cable getting in the way of my display or camera.

2) The new MagSafe adapter is only $10. Since it's just a pin-to-pin and there are considerably more iDevices on the market I can see it being even cheaper. However, if they go with their previous solution for dock connector inserts for different devices it also could be relatively expensive. I sure hope they don't go with the latter, at least not as the sole solution.

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Thank you for that confirmation.  I was getting worried.

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1) I'll be happy not to have my headphone cable getting in the way of my display or camera.

 

^ This

 

I'm a big fan of being able to video chat or watch movies without having to pin the cord behind it.

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They have, with some even going to the extreme of suggesting Apple is doing it to force users to buy all new accessories.
And these people are not thinking ... What on Earth would Apple stand to gain by forcing users to buy all new accessories? Sure Apple offers some of their own, but the vast majority of them are produced by third parties. If anything, changing this connector is going to upset third party manufacturers since most of their products are going to suddenly become obsolete. If anything, Apple is trying to force consumers away from the dock connector in favor of AirPlay wireless connectivity, not sell new dockable accessories.

And yeah, there will be a massive incompatibility problem, adapter or no. An adapter is not going work in every case depending on how the device is constructed.

So again this article doesn't really do anything except state the obvious. There will obviously be an adapter should the smaller dock connector rumor prove true. Should have been paired with some related story that was actually newsworthy ...
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Thank you. I was at a loss for the benefit of moving the headphone jack to the bottom.

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Things change and progress folks. Move on.

I personally will probably find it annoying that all of the chargers plugged in around the house for convenience will have to have an adaptor sitting next to them, since we will have a mix of devices for at least the near future.

 

The dock connector is dead. Long live the dock connector.

Seems feasible you would just need to plug a different cable into the power nugget?

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You know one thing I don't recall anyone mentioning in all these comment threads about this yet is that currently the headphone jack on the iPhone is on the top and right next to the front facing camera, but on the opposite side of the rear.  What is the headphone jack placement is part of what is holding back the quality of the facetime camera.  Maybe moving that to the bottom will allow them to have a much nicer front facing camera.  That would be very nice

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I wonder which side the earphone jack will be on.

 

In the photo shown in this article, it's on the bottom-right (when the iPhone is facing the user), but in the ETrade Supply video, it's on the bottom-left.

 

I'd guess that it'll be similar to the current position on the 4S, which is on the left.

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can you deprecate pins? sure they're obsolete, so no longer required.

 

There is a slight, faint, possibility that I used the wrong word there, but yeah.  I think everyone agrees there are unused pins and therefore they should probably be removed.  

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That sucks..... For those that are interested.  The Apple USB to 30 pin connector cable that ships with most iDevices don't last long, so I found the Audioquest Forest or Cinnamon cable is far more durable and one can get those for about the same price as an Apple product that doesn't last as long.  I'm sure Audioquest will have to come out with a modified cable once these new devices start shipping.

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I wonder which side the earphone jack will be on.

 

In the photo shown in this article, it's on the bottom-right (when the iPhone is facing the user), but in the ETrade Supply video, it's on the bottom-left.

 

I'd guess that it'll be similar to the current position on the 4S, which is on the left.

The iPod touch (2010) has the socket on the bottom right.

 

Cheers

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A good idea would be to include them free with new idevices.

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^ This

 

I'm a big fan of being able to video chat or watch movies without having to pin the cord behind it.

While true, there are other situations if the cord is coming out the bottom, it will get in the way down there too. Im not sure there is an overwhelming need to move it, but I suppose since they did the new connector(if true)... m'eh, why not.

 

As for me, Im wondering if they ever get to a point where they don't need cords except for maintenance type things... . blu-tooth 4.0 low power headphones... Inductive charging, wifi syncing etc. And if they go 801.AC at some point... really fast syncing. 

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As for me, Im wondering if they ever get to a point where they don't need cords except for maintenance type things... . blu-tooth 4.0 low power headphones... Inductive charging, wifi syncing etc. And if they go 801.AC at some point... really fast syncing. 

I'm wondering how far away those are. We still don't have 802.11ac in any Mac despite the recent update. Even once we do there will still be a limitation of data transfer speeds. We also don't yet have 802.11n at 5GHz on the iPhone/Touch. Inductive charging is slow, is less energy efficient, and seems to be less durable to wear and tear from extended use. Can Bluetooth 4.0 Low-Energy be used for quality (256Kbps or higher) audio transfers?

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post #33 of 35

I think I will just wait and see myself. I'm from Missouri (well, my parents were). My guess is if Apple doesn't, someone will.

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I'd like the new apple charging cable to have a raised edge or something that makes it obvious by TOUCH which side is up.  There are only two times I plug in my phone: In my car and when I go to bed.  In both cases it would be very helpful to not have to look at the cable while doing it. I know, petty.  But if I start driving, and then decide to plug the phone in, i'd rather just spot the cable then, by feel, plug it in.  Right now it's 50/50 I get it right.  Same for at night - the lights will be off and I'll be messing around on the phone in bed, then i go to plug it in and have to use the phone's screen to light up the cable end.  I little bump on the top side and all is solved.  of course Apple doesn't want their smooth lines disturbed, even on a cable. ;)

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If Apple changes the Dock connector, they'll have no choice but to release an adapter. /Thread.
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