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Originally Posted by hungover 

 Whilst I would agree that many of the gun deaths in the USA seem to be the result of drug related crime, thus far, none of the pro gun members here have attempted to explain why other countries with similar rates of drug "abuse" and stricter gun laws have much lower rates of gun violence.

 

There may, or may not be some merit in legalising all drugs but I am not sure that the prohibition of alcohol is a valid argument. Few of the currently illegal drugs ever had wide spread popularity prior to be outlawed and none of them have ever been an essential part of the staple diet. It is also worth noting that other "first world"  states with historically low gun ownership did not see massive rises in gun activity during their periods of alcohol prohibition. 

 

Yet again we need to ask why the USA has such higher rates of gun crime, simply blaming it on drugs is overly simplistic: Comparisons with other similar countries evidences this.

And, thus far, none of the gun control advocates have attempted to explain why some countries with high gun ownership such as Switzerland and Finland have very low rates of violent crime.

Perhaps the over simplification is happening on both sides of the argument?

What is your answer let ordinary citizens walk around with these idiotic weapons of guns that should be used in the military . Regulate these dam guns once and for all!

Just remember, Australia used to have lots and lots of guns. Guns in the hands of hunters. Guns in the hands of criminals. Guns as easily attainable by psychopaths as they are by fathers trying to protect their family. And there were lots of deaths. Lots of robberies. Lots of accidents. Lots of firearms assisted suicides.

Then Australia cracked down on gun laws, after someone with automatic weapons killed 35 innocent people in 1996, marking the 13th mass shooting (of five or more people) in fifteen years in that country. The sane people had had enough.

Unlike what the Right wants you to believe, the criminals didn't suddenly take over. Assault weapons gradually disappeared from society. Homicides dropped more quickly than before the reforms. Suicides by firearms were halved and total suicides dropped by 25%. There have been no mass shootings (or other mass killings for that matter) in the now 16 years since the reforms. And no, the Australian government hasn't gone all martial law on the newly unarmed citizens.

As of 2009,

(Source, with references: http://msl.rsmjournals.com/content/50/1/53.full)

You who are saying increased gun regulation will make the US more dangerous than it is today are either really really really stupid, or you are fucking liars who only want what you want because you want it, in the name of "freedom" (and damned be the consequences).

Sorry, based on the fact that your "cause" is resulting in the loss of thousands of innocent lives, there is no room for those of you who oppose increased gun regulation in any kind of heaven. When you die, if you believe in it, you will you to hell for this stance.

This is a serious issue which requires a serious tone. And I'm not back.
 

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Originally Posted by tonton 

This is a serious issue which requires a serious tone. And I'm not back.
 

Thanks for your ridiculous rant. Bye.

Thanks for proving my point that better regulation is necessary and has been effective in Australia.

This is 100% contrary to the lies you posted. And these are the facts, with source, unlike what you posted.

Post all the lies and out of context, sourceless gibberish about Australia that you want now, I'm not coming back.

Do you really believe what you posted? Socialism?
 

MJ1970, why are you bothering to show facts to someone who's clearly not coming back? ;-)

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Originally Posted by MJ1970 

 

Yes, And? So people with firearms who attempt suicide are more successful in achieving their goal? What is your point?

 

My point is that if the swiss want to reduce the levels of suicide they should consider stricter gun control. It miight not reduce the levels of attempted suicide but would hopefully reduce the levels of fatalities.

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Originally Posted by MJ1970

 

 

I've done enough of the math to convince me that overall gun crime in the US is largely related to gang and the drug trade.

 

Let's end the war on (some) drugs and see what happens.

Yet you seem to be unwilling to "do the math" when making comparisions to similar countries such as the UK, why is that?

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Originally Posted by jazzguru 

 

And, thus far, none of the gun control advocates have attempted to explain why some countries with high gun ownership such as Switzerland and Finland have very low rates of violent crime.

 

Perhaps the over simplification is happening on both sides of the argument?

 Both countries have lower rates of drug abuse, both countries have far lower rates of hand gun ownership. In the case of finland, firearm ownership amongst urban dewellers is very low.

A better comparison would be the UK Vs USA.

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Originally Posted by hungover 

 Both countries have lower rates of drug abuse, both countries have far lower rates of hand gun ownership. In the case of finland, firearm ownership amongst urban dewellers is very low.

 

A better comparison would be the UK Vs USA.

Would it? Do the UK and USA have the same demographics? The same culture?

We both do have these white supremacist assholes that commit acts of domestic terrorism like those of last week in Wisconsin and Missouri.

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Originally Posted by jazzguru 

 

Would it? Do the UK and USA have the same demographics? The same culture?

Never heard of the 51st state?

 They are very similar, indeed far more so than any of the countries that the pro NRA enthusiasts cite, ie. the likes of finland and switzerland.

We do have some differences, such as a wider welfare state and tougher gun laws, oh, and of course a gun death rate that is about a 40th of yours... 

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Originally Posted by hungover 

Never heard of the 51st state?

 

 They are very similar, indeed far more so than any of the countries that the pro NRA enthusiasts cite, ie. the likes of finland and switzerland.

 

We do have some differences, such as a wider welfare state and tougher gun laws, oh, and of course a gun death rate that is about a 40th of yours... 

Relatively speaking they're quite similar, but I would say Australia (though I've never been there) is a lot more like the US than the UK. There are close ties, hence the 51st state analogy, but the two places are complete opposites in many ways, at least that's been my experience.