Originally Posted by jazzguru
I'm not engaging to your satisfaction? I'm sorry you feel that way.
I didn't set up any government. It existed before I was born.
Now we can quibble over the definition of "arms" or "militia", but it is all rather pointless. It's more important to understand the greater context, here. All one has to do is read the words of the founders to understand their views on government. Just read the Declaration of Independence, for starters.
They didn't trust it, which is why they specifically mentioned (not granted - because our rights do not come from government) the right of the people to defend themselves against tyranny and oppression in the 2nd Amendment.
Whether or not they had so-called "assault weapons" in mind when they ratified the 2nd Amendment is irrelevant in the context of their words on the subject:
This is just a small sampling of quotes on the subject, but it is abundantly clear to me that the founders wanted the people to be able to defend themselves against all forms of tyranny - even if it came from their own government. The fact that man has invented more ghastly methods of causing death and destruction means that the people have even MORE of an obligation to assert their right to defend themselves - against ALL threats foreign and domestic - not less.
Or would you have us follow the same path as this man:
Some interesting quotes there, thanks for posting them.
The following one struck me as odd-
"The militia is the natural defense of a free country against sudden foreign invasions, domestic insurrections, and domestic usurpation of power by rulers. The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered, as the palladium of the liberties of the republic; since it offers a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally ... enable the people to resist and triumph over them."
-- Joseph Story, Supreme Court Justice, Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States, p. 3:746-7, 1833"
Clearly things were different back them. Today we have a military not a militia.
Around 40% of Americans own guns. Many of them own many guns and could arm enough people to carry out operations that I think could indeed defeat the efforts of the military and police. Strategic planning, as has taken place in other revolutions, can tumble what appears to be overwhelming force. Just not showing up for work, as was so effective in South Africa, would also greatly weaken any government.
Perhaps the best solution to all this is to re-set up militias who would be trained in responsible gun use, who sign up to the responsibility of gun ownership and protect the people. They would be volunteers and would be chosen by all segments of society. Just like any militia they would decide when to use force against tyranny. The rest of the population would be denied access to guns and the militia would make sure of that. The founders don't seem to have talked too much about the need to have guns in defending themselves against their fellow countrymen. Perhaps those who have served in the militias for a period of time and are in good standing could be allowed to keep them after their service. This would weed out the criminals and the insane for the most part.