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Apple wins EU-wide ban on Samsung Galaxy Tab 7.7, loses Galaxy Tab 10.1N appeal

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A German court on Tuesday extended Apple's injunction against Samsung's Galaxy Tab 7.7 to encompass the entire E.U. but at the same time denied a similar appeal from the iPad maker to block sales of the larger Galaxy Tab 10.1N.

While Apple won a favorable ruling from the Dusseldorf Higher Regional Court in Germany effectively blocking E.U. sales of Samsung's 7-inch tablet, it was denied a linked request for an injunction against the larger Galaxy Tab 10.1N, which was designed to specifically skirt the iPad maker's patents, reports The Verge.

Tuesday's judgment extends a previous German Galaxy Tab 7.7 sales ban to the whole of the E.U. and represents the second win for Apple's European design patents. In September 2011, Apple won a permanent German sales ban against the Galaxy Tab 10.1, a ruling that was upheld in January based on the country's "unfair competition" laws.

Interestingly, the Galaxy Tab 10.1 injunction caused Samsung to pull demo units of the 7-inch tablet from showcases just after the device was unveiled at the IFA consumer electronics show in Berlin last September.

Samsung's issued statement regarding the sales ban:

Samsung is disappointed with the court?s ruling. We will continue to take all available measures, including legal action, to protect our intellectual property rights and defend against Apple?s claims to ensure our products remain available to consumers throughout the European Union.



Galaxy Tab 7.7
Verizon Wireless version of Samsung's Galaxy Tab 7.7. | Source: Samsung


The day was not completely Apple's, however, as the Cupertino-based company was denied in yet another appeal to stop sales of the 10-inch Galaxy tablet purpose built to side-step the imposed German injunction. Originally built a month after the German sales ban in 2011, the 10.1N was ultimately cleared for sale in February after the Dusseldorf court cited notable changes had been made to the tablet's design. Subsequent appeals from Apple to secure an injunction have thus far been unsuccessful.

Samsung's response regarding the Galaxy 10.1N judgment:

"Samsung welcomes the court?s ruling which confirms our position that the GALAXY Tab 10.1N does not infringe Apple?s intellectual property and does not infringe laws against unfair competition. Should Apple continue to make legal claims based on such a generic design patent, design innovation and progress in the industry could be restricted."


The court's denial of Apple's 10.1N request is unlikely to result in any substantial gains for Samsung as the Korean company has already announced the tablet's successor in the aptly-named Galaxy Tab 10.1 2.

Apple and Samsung are mired in a morass of worldwide patent litigation spanning over 10 countries. The two tech monoliths are slated to face each other in a high-profile California court case next week barring the unlikely event of an out-of-court settlement.
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...and let the Apple vs Samsung war begin :P

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Samsung's issued statement regarding the sales ban:

Samsung is disappointed with the court?s ruling. We will continue to take all available measures, including legal action, to protect our intellectual property rights and defend against Apple?s claims to ensure our products remain available to consumers throughout the European Union


Screw you Scamsung.  You have a lot of nerve to even IMPLY that you have any IP rights to defend.  Consider yourself lucky that Xerox did not sue you for overuse of the "copy" button.

This is great news.  Let this serve as an example to any other shop that tries to use Apple as their R&D department.  Copy Apple, and risk spending lots of money on lawyers.

$10 bucks that Scumsang will simply come out with a Galaxy Tab 7.7n like they did with their 10" tablet.

 

Shameful people at Samsung.  They really should be embarrassed. 

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Screw you Scamsung.  You have a lot of nerve to even IMPLY that you have any IP rights to defend.  Consider yourself lucky that Xerox did not sue you for overuse of the "copy" button.

This is great news.  Let this serve as an example to any other shop that tries to use Apple as their R&D department.  Copy Apple, and risk spending lots of money on lawyers.

$10 bucks that Scumsang will simply come out with a Galaxy Tab 7.7n like they did with their 10" tablet.

 

Shameful people at Samsung.  They really should be embarrassed. 

So you say the Galaxy Tab 7.7n is the result of Apple R&D ?

 

That's strange, considering it contains AMOLED, Equinoxys CPU and Samsung developed RAM, as well as an OS which might be greatly inspired by the look and feel of iOS, but was engineered from the ground up (with all it's apparent defects in the earlier versions, which can be seen by the results of for instance project Butter).

 

Note : This case relates to design, not technical issues.

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So you say the Galaxy Tab 7.7n is the result of Apple R&D ?

That's strange, considering it contains AMOLED, Equinoxys CPU and Samsung developed RAM, as well as an OS which might be greatly inspired by the look and feel of iOS, but was engineered from the ground up (with all it's apparent defects in the earlier versions, which can be seen by the results of for instance project Butter).

Note : This case relates to design, not technical issues.

Yeah but why let the facts get in the way of an over the top anti Samsung rant...
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I have the galaxy tab 7.7, why is it banned?
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This decision is totally illogical because the 7 inches Tab doesn't really look like an iPad. It's obviously smaller and features no home button.

On the other hand the 10 inches version is pretty much a ripoff of the iPad...but it isn't banned?? Why isn't Samsung obliged to put a disclaimer on their website saying that they copied?

Also, I fail to see how a court in Germany can decide for a ban on the whole EU, it doesn't work that way.
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I own an iPad 2 & the new iPad, the galaxy tab 7.7 doesn't really look like an iPad or feel like one, if we ignore android apple OS stuff it's not very similar, if apple made a 7" tablet I'd own that instead 1tongue.gif but they don't so I got the 7.7
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Why is everyone focused on every silly little skirmish?

Apple won one and lost one here. There are two results from this that are important:

1. IP law has some gray areas and some of the Apple/Samsung cases fall into those gray areas - which is why you get inconsistent rulings from different courts (and from appeals courts). The entire process is narrowing down the gray areas in IP law so that companies will have clearer direction as to what is acceptable and what isn't. A clear definition of what constitutes illegal copying and what doesn't will be good for the industry in the long run.

2. Apple's overriding objective is to stop Google, Samsung, and the rest from copying them. cf Steve Jobs's quote "Even if you give me $5 billion, I wouldn't take it. I want you to stop copying". And looking at the design of some of Samsung's latest products, that may be happening.
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I think the plan is to copy the latest-greatest-most-popular thing that comes out, then modify your product once you've established a customer base.  Presto, you're in the market - which, in the long run, makes up for any early lawsuits.

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What these decisions show is:-

 

Apple did not "patent the rectangle", their specific design patents can be worked around as shown by the Galaxy Tab 10.1n

 

Apple's design patents are very specific and copying them too closely will get your product banned as shown by the Galaxy Tab 10.1 and 7.7.

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This decision is totally illogical because the 7 inches Tab doesn't really look like an iPad. It's obviously smaller and features no home button.
On the other hand the 10 inches version is pretty much a ripoff of the iPad...but it isn't banned?? Why isn't Samsung obliged to put a disclaimer on their website saying that they copied?
Also, I fail to see how a court in Germany can decide for a ban on the whole EU, it doesn't work that way.

haha you're clearly not a layer are you?

 

 

It's like saying it's illogical since the first shape doesn't really look like the second shape since it's obviously smaller and features no black color.

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Second statement: please read the article again or dig in the history of the German court disputes between Apple and Scumsung (really like this term-hope it's not copyrighted :P ).

Last statement: Please remember that nowadays, pretty much EU = Germany. As for the jurisdictional standpoint i'm not sure entirely since you'd have to read exactly the Court's ruling.

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I'm surprised a German regional court has the ability to issue an EU wide ban. That should be the domain of the European Court. Maybe they should hurry up and get the proposed single European Patent System and Patent Court up and running as soon as possible so settle these issues.

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Note : This case relates to design, not technical issues.

Why do you think design is unimportant? Design is the first thing a consumers sees. It is what makes them try the product out in the store. It is what Sir Ive gets paid so much for. You mean that's not worth protecting?
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Please remember that nowadays, pretty much EU = Germany. As for the jurisdictional standpoint i'm not sure entirely since you'd have to read exactly the Court's ruling.

 

FYI...

 

 

Member states of the EU (year of entry)

 

Candidate countries

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 
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FYI...

 

 

 

Wel.. yes yes my friend, in theory that's perfect correct but in practice today Germany and far seconded by France is the only economy keeping this EU together, including Greece in the circle of happy friends. And speaking of my own country i can say that recently Ms. Angela Merkel warned that if the Romanian politicians don't get the $hit together (short story) Romania may be suspended  at first from taking EU funds and afterwards who knows... So you see generally speaking when the Economic community talks about the EU and the decisions taken by the EU, most often look at Germany.

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So you say the Galaxy Tab 7.7n is the result of Apple R&D ?

 

That's strange, considering it contains AMOLED, Equinoxys CPU and Samsung developed RAM, as well as an OS which might be greatly inspired by the look and feel of iOS, but was engineered from the ground up (with all it's apparent defects in the earlier versions, which can be seen by the results of for instance project Butter).

 

Note : This case relates to design, not technical issues.

 

 

Design = technical.

Like architecture + structural engineering = Design.

Design is not scribbling.

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Originally Posted by AndreiD View Post

 

Wel.. yes yes my friend, in theory that's perfect correct but in practice today Germany and far seconded by France is the only economy keeping this EU together, including Greece in the circle of happy friends. And speaking of my own country i can say that recently Ms. Angela Merkel warned that if the Romanian politicians don't get the $hit together (short story) Romania may be suspended  at first from taking EU funds and afterwards who knows... So you see generally speaking when the Economic community talks about the EU and the decisions taken by the EU, most often look at Germany.

 

Fair enough, its a mess.

I'm from Australia but my family is from Serbia so I've been keeping my eye out on all of this.

I don't know how the EU can work properly, places like Turkey being in it means that cheaper workers will go to places like Germany & it can effect the economy in the whole EU, that's as far as i understand.

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Originally Posted by AndreiD View Post

 

Wel.. yes yes my friend, in theory that's perfect correct but in practice today Germany and far seconded by France is the only economy keeping this EU together, including Greece in the circle of happy friends. And speaking of my own country i can say that recently Ms. Angela Merkel warned that if the Romanian politicians don't get the $hit together (short story) Romania may be suspended  at first from taking EU funds and afterwards who knows... So you see generally speaking when the Economic community talks about the EU and the decisions taken by the EU, most often look at Germany.

 

 

Rubbish!

Are you suggesting that judicial system is rigged!?

 

 

The right-wing dominance of Europe right now, lead by Frankfurt nutHeads has nothing to do with this court-fight.

 

 

Germans actually like Apple produce things.

The Best creative firms are German firms , so they DO mind about copycats like Samsung.

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Fair enough, its a mess.

I'm from Australia but my family is from Serbia so I've been keeping my eye out on all of this.

I don't know how the EU can work properly, places like Turkey being in it means that cheaper workers will go to places like Germany & it can effect the economy in the whole EU, that's as far as i understand.

 

 

Keep this muslin fear-mongering out of this discussion.

We need NO Fascist here!

 

Turkey is a modern country, growing farther than any other European country.

Serbia is a lot less Democratic than Turkey.

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$10 bucks that Scumsang will simply come out with a Galaxy Tab 7.7n like they did with their 10" tablet.

 

 

If that 7.7n isn't a carbon copy of Apple's design then they have done something right, late but that's a different story

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Originally Posted by Ochyming View Post

 

 

Design = technical.

Like architecture + structural engineering = Design.

Design is not scribbling.

 

Good choice of words, did you acutally see the design on which this claim is based... it's a scribbling...

 

There is visual design and structural design... This ruling is based on a visual design.

 

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Originally Posted by Ochyming View Post

 

 

Keep this muslin fear-mongering out of this discussion.

We need NO Fascist here!

 

Turkey is a modern country, growing farther than any other European country.

Serbia is a lot less Democratic than Turkey.

 

Haha that's not what i meant.

What i mean is, how can the EU Work if counties that aren't as economically strong as Germany or France (i would say the same thing about Serbia if they were in the EU) So if someone from Greece lets say goes to Germany to work then takes all their money back to Greece (Greece isn't doing very well) so Germany's economy is going to be effected, I know it should all even out, its all interesting.

 

 


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If that 7.7n isn't a carbon copy of Apple's design then they have done something right, late but that's a different story

 

 

I have a Galaxy tab 7.7 in one hand & the new iPad in the other, i'm not sure what people are smoking but it does not look or feel the same.
just doesn't

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Good choice of words, did you acutally see the design on which this claim is based... it's a scribbling...

 

There is visual design and structural design... This ruling is based on a visual design.

 

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really?

 

Have seen any of Frank Ghery design?

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Now imagine how much that have being reDesigned to feat engineering realization?

The end result is called Design, because in the end it can serve a purpose like any design.

It costs money, it take time and advanced math.

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This decision is totally illogical because the 7 inches Tab doesn't really look like an iPad. It's obviously smaller and features no home button.
On the other hand the 10 inches version is pretty much a ripoff of the iPad...but it isn't banned?? Why isn't Samsung obliged to put a disclaimer on their website saying that they copied?
Also, I fail to see how a court in Germany can decide for a ban on the whole EU, it doesn't work that way.

 

Size and a home button aren't the only factors in the design patent. 

 

As for the whole Germany question there are deals between the member states that give some jurisdictional authority of this type for certain matters. We'll see if this matter is one of them or if Samsung turns around and appeals the ban for outside of Germany on the grounds that Germany's courts don't have such authority (and win the appeal). 

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Originally Posted by Ochyming View Post

 

 

Rubbish!

Are you suggesting that judicial system is rigged!?

 

 

The right-wing dominance of Europe right now, lead by Frankfurt nutHeads has nothing to do with this court-fight.

 

 

Germans actually like Apple produce things.

The Best creative firms are German firms , so they DO mind about copycats like Samsung.

No, i didn't say that the judicial system is rigged. I was just referring to the latest "economic" decisions.

 

Speaking of judiciary competence and to clear up this issue:

 

Quoted from the Regulation 44/2001:

 

(10) For the purposes of the free movement of judgments, judgments given in a Member State bound by this Regulation should be recognised and enforced in another Member State bound by this Regulation, even if the judgment debtor is domiciled in a third State.

 
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Haha that's not what i meant.

What i mean is, how can the EU Work if counties that aren't as economically strong as Germany or France (i would say the same thing about Serbia if they were in the EU) So if someone from Greece lets say goes to Germany to work then takes all their money back to Greece (Greece isn't doing very well) so Germany's economy is going to be effected, I know it should all even out, its all interesting.

 

 


 

 

I have a Galaxy tab 7.7 in one hand & the new iPad in the other, i'm not sure what people are smoking but it does not look or feel the same.
just doesn't

 

 

again you do not know WHAT you are talking about.

 

Lets look at USA for example.

How rich states like New York can co-exist in a Federation with a poorer state like Mississippi?

Like how The housing crisis in Florida was resolves compared with What is happening to spain and Italy in Europe?

By the way German firms endUp buying the primary work creators of those two countries, isn´t that telling?

 

--- Ferrari and Lamborghini are now German owned as is Seat. 

 

Back to the USA, there are transfer of money from the rich to the poorer states ( the irony is that the poorer states are more conservative leaned than the rich ones ).

This transfer will be difficult in the EU, because it is NOT a country.

EU is A faulty realization at its core. Because there is not a federal government or a central bank that does it jobs as such.

 

Again Turkey is growing economically faster than Germany.

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Size and a home button aren't the only factors in the design patent. 

 

As for the whole Germany question there are deals between the member states that give some jurisdictional authority of this type for certain matters. We'll see if this matter is one of them or if Samsung turns around and appeals the ban for outside of Germany on the grounds that Germany's courts don't have such authority (and win the appeal). 

This is done deal: (10) For the purposes of the free movement of judgments, judgments given in a Member State bound by this Regulation should be recognised and enforced in another Member State bound by this Regulation, even if the judgment debtor is domiciled in a third State.

 
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No, i didn't say that the judicial system is rigged. I was just referring to the latest "economic" decisions.

 

Speaking of judiciary competence and to clear up this issue:

 

Quoted from the Regulation 44/2001:

 

(10) For the purposes of the free movement of judgments, judgments given in a Member State bound by this Regulation should be recognised and enforced in another Member State bound by this Regulation, even if the judgment debtor is domiciled in a third State.

 

 

 

Get at look at European Patent Convention.

Was it dictated by Germany?

 

BTW remember how France reacted to a possible breach of security regarding Renault greenEnergy patents? 

Countries that actually thrive on creativity like Germany are very serious regarding IP.

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haha you're clearly not a layer are you?


It's like saying it's illogical since the first shape doesn't really look like the second shape since it's obviously smaller and features no black color.

Second statement: please read the article again or dig in the history of the German court disputes between Apple and Scumsung (really like this term-hope it's not copyrighted :P ).
Last statement: Please remember that nowadays, pretty much EU = Germany. As for the jurisdictional standpoint i'm not sure entirely since you'd have to read exactly the Court's ruling.

No, I'm not a 'layer'. Are you a layer?
The 7.7 is not only noticeably smaller, it also has a different aspect ratio, no home button, a different back and a big samsung written on front. What I find illogical, and I think my sentence isn't really subject to debate (but there'll always be someone like you to say the contrary), is that the 10 inch tab is much much closer to an iPad than this.
The EU is not Germany, you are being influenced too much by what's happening nowadays and you show a total lack of knowledge of what the EU is, you are either american or english.
I'm not a lawyer but I know how justice works in the EU, and it's not because you think that EU=Germany that magically a decision in Germany will apply in the whole EU. That's not how it works here. There is stuff called regulations.

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Ah you're romanian...well, your view on the EU is wrong. Germany pretty much dictates the economic agenda, but it's being counterbalanced by countries like France, Italy, the UK and Spain, even in these difficult times. Anyway, regulations remains regulations and german courts can't impose anything for the whole EU.
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Originally Posted by Ochyming View Post

 

 

again you do not know WHAT you are talking about.

 

Lets look at USA for example.

How rich states like New York can co-exist in a Federation with a poorer state like Mississippi?

Like how The housing crisis in Florida was resolves compared with What is happening to spain and Italy in Europe?

By the way German firms endUp buying the primary work creators of those two countries, isn´t that telling?

 

--- Ferrari and Lamborghini are now German owned as is Seat. 

 

Back to the USA, there are transfer of money from the rich to the poorer states ( the irony is that the poorer states are more conservative leaned than the rich ones ).

This transfer will be difficult in the EU, because it is NOT a country.

EU is A faulty realization at its core. Because there is not a federal government or a central bank that does it jobs as such.

 

Again Turkey is growing economically faster than Germany.

Some of your points are valid some are not.

 

As you pointed out correctly the most important flaw of EU's esatblishment is the lack of federal rulement especially no homogenous fiscal laws and fiscal control. From this reasons alone it's useless to compare US to EU.

 

To my knowledge Lambo indeed is being owned by VAG but Ferrari is being owned by Fiat group.

 

As for your last statement you should put some figures into perspective when making such a claim because you could say that Turkey is growing faster then Germany if you look at the GDP rate but at the same time you have to consider other factors, like other national indicators GDP per capita, unemployment, inflation rates, exports etc. AND the base line factors (meaning with what base line does it compare, because of course a less developed country could have the tendency to grow faster than an already strong developed country).

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Originally Posted by Ochyming View Post

 

 

again you do not know WHAT you are talking about.

 

Lets look at USA for example.

How rich states like New York can co-exist in a Federation with a poorer state like Mississippi?

Like how The housing crisis in Florida was resolves compared with What is happening to spain and Italy in Europe?

By the way German firms endUp buying the primary work creators of those two countries, isn´t that telling?

 

--- Ferrari and Lamborghini are now German owned as is Seat. 

 

Back to the USA, there are transfer of money from the rich to the poorer states ( the irony is that the poorer states are more conservative leaned than the rich ones ).

This transfer will be difficult in the EU, because it is NOT a country.

EU is A faulty realization at its core. Because there is not a federal government or a central bank that does it jobs as such.

 

Again Turkey is growing economically faster than Germany.

 

Hey buddy you need to chill out, i was asking questions not stating facts.
 

People get so defensive & aggressive so quickly, people don't need to be keyboard warriors, no ladies here to impress :p 

 

 

 

I took some pics of my galaxy tab 7.7 & iPad, you can be the judge.

 

 

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Keep this muslin fear-mongering out of this discussion.
We need NO Fascist here!

Turkey is a modern country, growing farther than any other European country.
Serbia is a lot less Democratic than Turkey.

Mmmm...I've been to both countries and I have nothing to say against one or another. Saying that Serbia is less democratic than Turkey...no, absolutely not true. I'd say they're the same, just as any other modern country. Turkey still has some efforts to make in some rural areas about women rights. Serbians and Turks are both very nice people.
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No, I'm not a 'layer'. Are you a layer?
The 7.7 is not only noticeably smaller, it also has a different aspect ratio, no home button, a different back and a big samsung written on front. What I find illogical, and I think my sentence isn't really subject to debate (but there'll always be someone like you to say the contrary), is that the 10 inch tab is much much closer to an iPad than this.
The EU is not Germany, you are being influenced too much by what's happening nowadays and you show a total lack of knowledge of what the EU is, you are either american or english.
I'm not a lawyer but I know how justice works in the EU, and it's not because you think that EU=Germany that magically a decision in Germany will apply in the whole EU. That's not how it works here. There is stuff called regulations.
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Ah you're romanian...well, your view on the EU is wrong. Germany pretty much dictates the economic agenda, but it's being counterbalanced by countries like France, Italy, the UK and Spain, even in these difficult times. Ayway, regulations remains regulations and german courts can't impose anything for the whole EU.

Ooops sorry for the typo. I meant lawyer. What are you like 16 to pick on typeos on a forum?

 

Regarding the rest of your comments please read the EC regulation 44/2001 before stating "facts" like 'i know best', regardless of your nationality or the others' of this forum :)


Edited by AndreiD - 7/24/12 at 7:16am
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You mean this?
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This is done deal: (10) For the purposes of the free movement of judgments, judgments given in a Member State bound by this Regulation should be recognised and enforced in another Member State bound by this Regulation, even if the judgment debtor is domiciled in a third State.
 

That's a general introduction in the regulation,

In the same regulation (44/2001):

Exclusive jurisdiction
Article 22

4. in proceedings concerned with the registration or validity of patents, trade marks, designs, or other similar rights required to be deposited or registered, the courts of the Member State in which the deposit or registration has been applied for, has taken place or is under the terms of a Community instrument or an international convention deemed to have taken place.
Without prejudice to the jurisdiction of the European Patent Office under the Convention on the Grant of European Patents, signed at Munich on 5 October 1973, the courts of each Member State shall have exclusive jurisdiction, regardless of domicile, in proceedings concerned with the registration or validity of any European patent granted for that State;

That means that Germany has the exclusivity to have a court on trademark disputes. But any other country has exclusivity for the same thing applied in their country.

Someone talked about Ferrari being german. I don't know if it's true but I'll be furious if it is! I have my doubts though.
Edited by ClemyNX - 7/24/12 at 7:31am
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Originally Posted by Zozman View Post

 

Hey buddy you need to chill out, i was asking questions not stating facts.
 

People get so defensive & aggressive so quickly, people don't need to be keyboard warriors, no ladies here to impress :p 

 

 

 

I took some pics of my galaxy tab 7.7 & iPad, you can be the judge.

 

 

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They copied the hell out to the iPad.  I have the black and it looks identical to this Samsung with the exception of the home button.  They are a slimy company!
 
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Originally Posted by Ochyming View Post

 

 

Get at look at European Patent Convention.

Was it dictated by Germany?

 

BTW remember how France reacted to a possible breach of security regarding Renault greenEnergy patents? 

Countries that actually thrive on creativity like Germany are very serious regarding IP.

Hmmm, i'm not sure i follow up with your point regarding the EPC. Reading the wiki link: "a multilateral treaty instituting the European Patent Organisation and providing an autonomous legal system according to which European patents are granted." While there are some statements to how patents are granted and ruled in the EU the question here was more regarding the court jurisdictional authority across all EU. As far as i know Apple filled all the patents in US but  i may be wrong and please correct me if so. It would be nice to see the actual ruling of the court because that would answer a lot of questions. The way i see it Apple (US or Germany) went after Samsung's subsidiary in Germany that acts as the mother company for the whole EU distribution. If that's the case then it makes sense that the legal action was promoted in Germany.

 

Regarding your comments on Renault greenEnergy patents, on this subject i know nothing about so i can't really comment.

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They copied the hell out to the iPad.  I have the black and it looks identical to this Samsung with the exception of the home button.  They are a slimy company!
 

That's your opinion fair call.
In person they don't feel the same & the super amoled give the screen a strange quality (colour tinge) I think they are different enough that people won't confuse them,
post #39 of 50
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Get at look at European Patent Convention
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Was it dictated by Germany?

BTW remember how France reacted to a possible breach of security regarding Renault greenEnergy patents? 
Countries that actually thrive on creativity like Germany are very serious regarding IP.

From that link:
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For a period in the late-1990's, national courts issued cross-border injunctions covering all EP jurisdictions, but this has been limited by the European Court of Justice. In two cases in July 2006 interpreting Articles 6.1 and 16.4 of the Brussels Convention, the European Court of Justice held that European patents are national rights that must be enforced nationally, that it was "unavoidable" that infringements of the same European patent have to be litigated in each relevant national court, even if the lawsuit is against the same group of companies, and that cross-border injunctions are not available.[52]

Pretty clear to me.
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Hey buddy you need to chill out, i was asking questions not stating facts.
 

People get so defensive & aggressive so quickly, people don't need to be keyboard warriors, no ladies here to impress :p 

 

 

 

I took some pics of my galaxy tab 7.7 & iPad, you can be the judge.

 

 

1000

 

1000

 

 

AH!

Women ARE smarter than men for them to be aroused by an ignorant like me!

 

It is frivolous to put side to side two different cars both sporting the same engine and call them different at core.

One thing is to be against patent, one thing IS to dismiss Apple right to defend/reenforce its fragile stance against cartels who fight to kill it - meaning windows and Android vendors, firms that do not NO research & development, they just sell the OS that Google and Microsoft develop.

 

Apple is one company fighting against a myriad of BIG money Firms that spend almost NOTHING in R&D.!

 

Apple like Germany will be dead in the water if they cannot protect their sole strategy of growth, creativity, against the copycat sellCheap-grab-marketshare minded companies.

 

Is that difficult to understand?

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