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Nearly three quarters of all smartphones sold at AT&T in the second quarter of the company's fiscal 2012 were Apple's iPhone, the carrier announced on Tuesday.

AT&T's quarterly earnings revealed that Apple sold 3.7 million iPhones in the three-month frame, and 22 percent of those customers were new to AT&T. The numbers show that the iPhone represented 73 percent of the total 5.1 million smartphone sales during the quarter.

At the end of the quarter, 61.9 percent, or 43.1 million, of AT&T's postpaid subscribers had smartphones. That's up from 49.9 percent, or 34.1 million, a year earlier.

The numbers show that AT&T sold a million more iPhones than rival Verizon in the same quarter. Verizon announced last week that it sold 2.7 million iPhones in the second quarter, as its smartphone penetration among subscribers reached 50 percent.

Unlike at AT&T, where most of the smartphones activated by the carrier were iPhones, Verizon is mostly dependent on Android-based handsets. Last quarter, Verizon sold 2.9 million smartphones running Google's Android mobile platform.

AT&T announced on Tuesday that it added 1.3 million total wireless net additional customers, and that it saw gains in every customer category. Sales of tablets and tethering plans saw 496,000 net additions, reaching a total of 6.3 million — up more than 50 percent from a year ago.

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AT&T also saw its first enterprise revenue growth in more than four years. The company reported 66 cents diluted earnings per share, up from 60 cents in the second quarter of 2011, and consolidated revenues of $31.6 billion, growing 0.3 percent year over year.

"We executed well across the business and posted another strong quarter with growing revenues, expanding margins and double-digit earnings growth," said Randall Stephenson, AT&T chairman and chief executive officer. "Our mobile Internet leadership continues, with solid gains in smartphones and tablets, plus our wireless margins have never been better.

"And most impressive, with this growth, we also achieved our best-ever postpaid wireless churn, which points to the premier experience customers receive on our network. All of these things add to our confidence and enthusiasm looking ahead."
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This bodes well for Tim's conference call!
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Lol. I keep reading stories like this, and yet the prevailing wisdom is that Android's share is substantially larger than that of Apple.* Not one bit of data -- except the vaunted "shipments" numbers -- suggests this.

When are the media gong to report (or surmise on) on facts? Perhaps they can also put pressure on all these guys to start reporting actual sales numbers?

What a joke.


* I can understand that may be true worldwide, especially since the Chinese and Indian markets don't have wide iPhone availability yet, but they are low-margin markets for Android. I am talking about countries like the US.
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Sure RS, the low churn is your network, not the iphone.

Also noted: bragging about wireless margins. Which should expand by making up charges like FaceTime.
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Yes, for the US, the iPhone outsells Android, or is - at the min - about half of the sales of the carriers it is on, but it isn't on all carriers. 

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73 percent of the total 5.1M

 

Thats pretty amazing really, and I think it is up from last Q.

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Lol. I keep reading stories like this, and yet the prevailing wisdom is that Android's share is substantially larger than that of Apple.* Not one bit of data -- except the vaunted "shipments" numbers -- suggests this.
When are the media gong to report (or surmise on) on facts? Perhaps they can also put pressure on all these guys to start reporting actual sales numbers?
What a joke.
* I can understand that may be true worldwide, especially since the Chinese and Indian markets don't have wide iPhone availability yet, but they are low-margin markets for Android. I am talking about countries like the US.

iPhone share in europe is also lower than in the US. Apple really benefits from the way carriers price things in the US.

http://www.ben-evans.com/post/25177869096/iphone-pricing-and-us-market-share
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73 percent of the total 5.1M


Thats pretty amazing really, and I think it is up from last Q.
This doesn't really surprise me with AT&T. Do you know I'd the numbers are similar for Verizon? I'm guessing not.
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AT&T has been desperately trying to create and prop up other hero devices in the form of the Storm, Pre 2, and many others. Will someone please tell me again why they are trying so hard to bite the hand that feeds them>
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iPhone share in europe is also lower than in the US. Apple really benefits from the way carriers price things in the US.

Yes, the one price model. In the UK Android phones are visibly cheaper because the contracts are cheaper, and people know the difference between a "free "3GS, or Android phone,  and a "free" 4S on contract,  as there would be more cost per month. So people are used to that. And there are, of course,  cheaper free phones than the 3GS. 

 

This leaves Apple with a price Umbrella, however they can fix that by not discontinuing the 3GS.

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AT&T has been desperately trying to create and prop up other hero devices in the form of the Storm, Pre 2, and many others. Will someone please tell me again why they are trying so hard to bite the hand that feeds them>

Because Apple have them over a barrel. Its not healthy for them.

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This doesn't really surprise me with AT&T. Do you know I'd the numbers are similar for Verizon? I'm guessing not.

I think the iPhone slid just a tad below 50% on Verizon this quarter.
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Well, AT&T should stand to benefit handily with the next iphone not coming out until late this quarter at best. Will be interesting to see the percentages next Q with decidedly lower iPhone numbers.

But I will be dumping post-paid and just getting the phone unsubsidized this time around, if I can make it work.
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I think the numbers from Verizon and ATT should mean the carriers cutting the subsidies for the iPhone stories should be put to rest for a while. Churn is low since ATT is keeping its iPhone customers. As asdasd says, Apple has them over a barrel right now. It is a nice place for Apple to be. But it may not be as unhealthy for the carriers if they can reduce churn and if their wireless margins continue to improve(I wonder if margins were broken down by platform-iOS vs Android-and if it was-whether the numbers would ever see the light of day). The issue for the carriers is if another carrier comes up with a low priced plan that causes many users to jump ship.

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AT&T has been desperately trying to create and prop up other hero devices in the form of the Storm, Pre 2, and many others. Will someone please tell me again why they are trying so hard to bite the hand that feeds them>

Because selling other phones is more profitable.
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iPhone share in europe is also lower than in the US. Apple really benefits from the way carriers price things in the US.
http://www.ben-evans.com/post/25177869096/iphone-pricing-and-us-market-share

Sure, Android's share is likely larger in the EU than it is in the US. But that still does not mean it is larger -- or that much larger -- than that of the iPhone. Certainly not in the proportions that breathless fandroids are hyperventilating about.

In any event, the article that you cite shows no data to back up anything at all about Android share (it only talks about "other smartphone" relative to iPhone).
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Because selling other phones is more profitable.

I don't think this is the reason why ATT has been pushing other phones. I think they don't want to be dependent on Apple and the iPhone because it gives the carrier less leverage in any negotiation. But as was reported, wireless margins are up at ATT. One reason is less churn, and a good part of that is loyalty of iPhone users. The other is that, and I believe I have seen it mentioned in other articles, that Apple mobile users do more shopping and probably use more data than Android users. Once your network is big enough to handle the traffic and you don't need to keep on adding infrastructure to get new users, adding new users becomes much more profitable. 

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Sure, Android's share is likely larger in the EU than it is in the US. But that still does not mean it is larger -- or that much larger -- than that of the iPhone. Certainly not in the proportions that breathless fandroids are hyperventilating about.
In any event, the article that you cite shows no data to back up anything at all about Android share (it only talks about "other smartphone" relative to iPhone).

Question is, why do you even care? Does either scenario benefit or hurt you in any way?
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Question for 500 points.

 

It seems that every quarter, a gigantic amount of each carriers sales go to the iPhone. How is Android the number 1 again?

 

I may be missing something but at a quick glance, it just doesn't make sense.

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I don't think this is the reason why ATT has been pushing other phones. I think they don't want to be dependent on Apple and the iPhone because it gives the carrier less leverage in any negotiation. But as was reported, wireless margins are up at ATT. One reason is less churn, and a good part of that is loyalty of iPhone users. The other is that, and I believe I have seen it mentioned in other articles, that Apple mobile users do more shopping and probably use more data than Android users. Once your network is big enough to handle the traffic and you don't need to keep on adding infrastructure to get new users, adding new users becomes much more profitable. 

And how do you think they got that higher profit margin? Android phones cost less to subsidize. What other shopping are iPhone users doing with ATT other than their phone plans?
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Question for 500 points.

It seems that every quarter, a gigantic amount of each carriers sales go to the iPhone. How is Android the number 1 again?

I may be missing something but at a quick glance, it just doesn't make sense.

Because you're not taking into consideration the multitude of smaller carriers that do not have the iPhone and almost only sell android devices.
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Android dominates in activation number because of Asia and Latin America where most phones are android 2.3 that never get upgraded. Also this phones don't get apps at the rate of the iPhone. That's why iOS dominates so big on mobile revenue although it does not activate the most.

The free 3GS now being sold for $200 without contract is big because it starts to take sales from cheap android phones in 3rd world countries.

Also people bashing on the lumia 900 for not being able to upgrade to win8 phone OS need to realize that the majority of android phones being sold 65% is 2.3 so in 3rd world countries a lumia 900 7.8 will be a better buy because of quality of the phone compare to cheap android phones...
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This is bad news for the legions of tech pundit shills who tout anything but Apple. I can just imagine Leo Laporte throwing his Galaxy S III against the wall in frustration and trying to figure out how he can tout it even more on his MacBreak Weekly, iPad Today, and other podcasts, err 'netcasts'.
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Question is, why do you even care? Does either scenario benefit or hurt you in any way?

I care because of all the smoke that guys like you, gg, js, fr, ad, et al. blow.

Love calling that out.
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Because you're not taking into consideration the multitude of smaller carriers that do not have the iPhone and almost only sell android devices.

Lol. Hope you like it there. Whatever planet you're on.
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AT&T has been desperately trying to create and prop up other hero devices in the form of the Storm, Pre 2, and many others. Will someone please tell me again why they are trying so hard to bite the hand that feeds them>

 

AT&T want more control over their revenue stream. They want to do away with subsidies, introduce more predatory pricing, remove customer (that's us) flexibility. The main obstacle in their way was Steve Jobs - personally. He was a champion for end-user comfort and usability. Not all altruistic but he moved a lot of revenue from the cell phone companies into the hands of the manufacturer (Apple). The growing (explosive) iPhone market share made AT&T a bundle of money and a boost to their percentage of users relative to the other service providers *and* made customers happy. Now AT&T want to reverse the revenue trend, take it away from the manufacturers and put it in their own coffers (be sure, they will *never* give any back to the customers).

 

So they fly kites and see who complains. Removal-of-subsidies kite made all the service providers go *oooooh*, we should get on that bandwagon. Hopefully customers (us) are wise to them as all that would do is make our initial costs higher and our steady-state costs stay the same (at best). Then there is Tethering (i.e. pay twice for the same bandwidth). Then there is account-sharing (i.e. pay more for the same bandwidth - except for some very small percentage of customers). Don't get me started on Micro Cells - pay your ISP to host AT&T's cell traffic in AT&T dead-spots, and also pay AT&T for the minutes you use, oh, and also pay AT&T for the equipment to do it.

 

Only Apple has the clout to reign AT&T in, so Apple must be countered and brought low by them. Except for one small detail. At the moment Apple is still a major player and a large part of AT&T's revenue stream. AT&T (and Verizon for that matter) actively push the competition smartphones in the hope that iPhone sales can be made to be a smaller percentage and new and more onerous "features" can be put in place.

 

Steve, you are sorely missed.

Mr Cook, I hope you are quietly screwing the service providers to the wall ('cos it sure aint happening loudly).

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iPhone share in europe is also lower than in the US. Apple really benefits from the way carriers price things in the US.
http://www.ben-evans.com/post/25177869096/iphone-pricing-and-us-market-share

We've always been behind Europe in terms of mobile phone services, and pricing has always been higher.

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AT&T has been desperately trying to create and prop up other hero devices in the form of the Storm, Pre 2, and many others. Will someone please tell me again why they are trying so hard to bite the hand that feeds them>


It's a bad idea to be tied so much to a single company and model. Your analogy of bite the hand that feeds them here isn't very accurate. Apple has been known to diversify suppliers. Anyway the other problem for AT&T would be if the subsidy rates are higher on the iphone. This would drive their margins down if users upgrade constantly. Personally I wish to plans were priced in a way that did not account for subsidized phones. I'd rather buy the phone outright and pay less for the plan, but that's not how it works in the US.

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I care because of all the smoke that guys like you, gg, js, fr, ad, et al. blow.
Love calling that out.

When have I ever blown android is bigger and/or better than iOS smoke?
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AT&T want more control over their revenue stream. They want to do away with subsidies, introduce more predatory pricing, remove customer (that's us) flexibility. The main obstacle in their way was Steve Jobs - personally. He was a champion for end-user comfort and usability. Not all altruistic but he moved a lot of revenue from the cell phone companies into the hands of the manufacturer (Apple). The growing (explosive) iPhone market share made AT&T a bundle of money and a boost to their percentage of users relative to the other service providers *and* made customers happy. Now AT&T want to reverse the revenue trend, take it away from the manufacturers and put it in their own coffers (be sure, they will *never* give any back to the customers).

So they fly kites and see who complains. Removal-of-subsidies kite made all the service providers go *oooooh*, we should get on that bandwagon. Hopefully customers (us) are wise to them as all that would do is make our initial costs higher and our steady-state costs stay the same (at best). Then there is Tethering (i.e. pay twice for the same bandwidth). Then there is account-sharing (i.e. pay more for the same bandwidth - except for some very small percentage of customers). Don't get me started on Micro Cells - pay your ISP to host AT&T's cell traffic in AT&T dead-spots, and also pay AT&T for the minutes you use, oh, and also pay AT&T for the equipment to do it.

Only Apple has the clout to reign AT&T in, so Apple must be countered and brought low by them. Except for one small detail. At the moment Apple is still a major player and a large part of AT&T's revenue stream. AT&T (and Verizon for that matter) actively push the competition smartphones in the hope that iPhone sales can be made to be a smaller percentage and new and more onerous "features" can be put in place.

Steve, you are sorely missed.
Mr Cook, I hope you are quietly screwing the service providers to the wall ('cos it sure aint happening loudly).

Is Apple the only one allowed to make money? When has Apple given money back to consumers? Except for the Micro Cells you made little sense.
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I think the iPhone slid just a tad below 50% on Verizon this quarter.

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This doesn't really surprise me with AT&T. Do you know I'd the numbers are similar for Verizon? I'm guessing not.

Big reason AT&T's sales are higher is the 3GS. Once Verizon starts selling the 4 for free with contract I'm sure the sales will be more comparable. I wondering if Apple will begin selling the 3GS on prepaid networks that are currently dominated by Androids.
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We've always been behind Europe in terms of mobile phone services, and pricing has always been higher.


It's a bad idea to be tied so much to a single company and model. Your analogy of bite the hand that feeds them here isn't very accurate. Apple has been known to diversify suppliers. Anyway the other problem for AT&T would be if the subsidy rates are higher on the iphone. This would drive their margins down if users upgrade constantly. Personally I wish to plans were priced in a way that did not account for subsidized phones. I'd rather buy the phone outright and pay less for the plan, but that's not how it works in the US.

Tmobile has cheaper "bring your own phone plans" and straight talk as well so that's a change that'll hopefully become more widespread.
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AT&T has been desperately trying to create and prop up other hero devices in the form of the Storm, Pre 2, and many others. Will someone please tell me again why they are trying so hard to bite the hand that feeds them>

I remember when they were talking about their multi million dollar hero campaign for the Nokia Lumia. What a joke and waste of money that was, Windows Phone barely shows up in the stats. Fortunately a good deal of that money came from Microsoft.

I agree that if they diverted most of the money they spent advertising other phones into the iPhone and improving their network, they would achieve better overall results. The only thing is that from a business perspective, in general, you never want to be dependent on just one supplier, especially since they are no longer exclusive with the iPhone.
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Is Apple the only one allowed to make money? When has Apple given money back to consumers? Except for the Micro Cells you made little sense.

The money that Apple makes goes towards making more stuff for us, the customer. That makes me happy. I've no problem with Apple making a bundle at the same time that they give me technology that makes my life simpler. The money that AT&T makes does nothing for me. They too slowly ramp their infrastructure, they charge way too much for the services they provide and all they do is look for more ways to squeeze money out of us customers while they complain about how much we load their network. Look at SMS charges. Charge both ends of the communication for bandwidth that is already being consumed by the cell-tower service stream.

 

America is a backwater in consumer comms (compare to Europe, Singapore, South Korea). Largely because the service providers are leeches.

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Question is, why do you even care? Does either scenario benefit or hurt you in any way?

 

Of course we know why you're saying this instead of an actual position.

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"We executed well across the business and posted another strong quarter with growing revenues, expanding margins and double-digit earnings growth," said Randall Stephenson, AT&T chairman and chief executive officer. "Our mobile Internet leadership continues, with solid gains in smartphones and tablets, plus our wireless margins have never been better.
"And most impressive, with this growth, we also achieved our best-ever postpaid wireless churn, which points to the premier experience customers receive on our network. All of these things add to our confidence and enthusiasm looking ahead."

 

Now HOLD ON Randall. Hold on there!

 

Isn't the iPhone supposed to be COSTING you money? And arms and legs?

 

http://money.cnn.com/2012/02/08/technology/iphone_carrier_subsidy/index.htm?iid=HP_LN

 

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1321445

 

How does "growing revenues, expanding margins and double digit earnings growth" translate into a "nightmare" (as per the CNN Money article)?

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I still do not have a phone. Do not need one yet.

My boss is not happy, but Hell with him.

 

I´ll buy myself an iPhone when i feel ready!

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When AT&T's effectively giving away the iPhone 3GS for a penny, and deliberately cripples phones for other carriers... No Wonder they can post such numbers.
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"... On the customer side of things, Verizon says that it added 1.2 million retail net customers in the second quarter, 888,000 of which were postpaid. The helped Verizon see a 4.9 percent year over year increase in customers, finishing Q2 with 94.4 million retail customers. ..."

 

"... AT&T announced on Tuesday that it added 1.3 million total wireless net additional customers, and that it saw gains in every customer category. Sales of tablets and tethering plans saw 496,000 net additions, reaching a total of 6.3 million — up more than 50 percent from a year ago. ...105.2 million customers"

 

Not sure Apples to Apples comparison, but AT&T seems to be on a net higher growth path and had a greater sales and per cent share of iPhones.  Of course, AT&T is beneficiary of $0 iPhone 3GS as well as 4 and 4S.  This advantage should evaporate in Sept.

 

My guess this won't hold with anticipate summer slump of iPhones but an explosion in fall 2012.

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When AT&T's effectively giving away the iPhone 3GS for a penny, and deliberately cripples phones for other carriers... No Wonder they can post such numbers.

 

YEAH. Because no three month old Android phones are free on contract like the three YEAR old iPhone 3GS. That's certainly not the case.

 

I don't believe you people… how do you just pull a complete 180 like this?

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