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post #41 of 71

So I downloaded Mountain Lion, installed it... It's no different from the previous version, except it has SIRI and Notification centre and some sharing options... 

This is software Apple already has developed on iOS and just polished for desktop version...

WHY do we pay for this on MAC? When they give it to us free on iOS?

 

post #42 of 71
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So I downloaded Mountain Lion, installed it... It's no different from the previous version, except it has SIRI and Notification centre and some sharing options... 


This is software Apple already has developed on iOS and just polished for desktop version...


WHY do we pay for this on MAC? When they give it to us free on iOS?
 

It doesn't have Siri. Game center is limited because few programs use. OSX is not the same as iOS.

Notification center works as advertised. So really, what's your problem?

I'll send you a check for the &19.99, that your computer will run on for the next year+.

I actually have a problem with the basic functionality that was supposed to be resolved during beta testing. However, because fans test the software (not developers) and all the release notes vs. specific attention go unnoticed. Those problems do not get weeded out.

Enjoy your computer! It's probably a good one.
post #43 of 71

A good incremental update.  I hope they change the notification center icon.  It just doesn't feel like something Apple made.  I'd rather see notification center slide out when you move the mouse to the right side of the screen.  I think the notification center view should also be used for spotlight.  That would remove two menu extras that feel out of place.  It is kinda like they didn't know how to activate these features so they put them in the menu.  I do like how notification center slides out from under the screen.  It would be cool if the Dock worked the same way if it were hidden off the screen.  Maybe even an onscreen Dock should be in a separate partition like the menu.  I have never liked the fact that windows can slide under the Dock.  


Edited by esummers - 7/25/12 at 8:37pm
post #44 of 71
Originally Posted by werdnanotroh View Post
It's no different from the previous version…

 

Except it is.


…except it has SIRI… 

 

Except it doesn't.

 

This is software Apple already has developed on iOS and just polished for desktop version...

 

Of course it is.


WHY do we pay for this on MAC? When they give it to us free on iOS?

 

…really?

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post #45 of 71
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A good incremental update.  I hope they change the notification center icon.  It just doesn't feel like something Apple made.  I'd rather see notification center slide out when you move the mouse to the right side of the screen.  I think the notification center view should also be used for spotlight.  That would remove two menu extras that feel out of place.  It is kinda like they didn't know how to activate these features so they put them in the menu.  I do like how notification center slides out from under the screen.  It would be cool if the Dock worked the same way if it were hidden off the screen.  Maybe even an onscreen Dock should be in a separate partition like the menu.  I have never liked the fact that windows can slide under the Dock.  

The icon looks real bad sitting right next to Apperature, doesn't it? Big blue blob, with a white blob... From a girls point of view, it's the ugliest thing there... Closest thing would be ....(Finder) but I'm afraid to mention that, lest they remove it!

Already my Mac Book Pro Retina shipped with 'Native Born' Lion, which I didn't realize they got rid of even the home folder, let alone the Application and Documents folder. It took me a long time to set it up right. Apparently, so it looked like Snow Leopard. I'm curious what computers with 'Native' Mountan Lion will look like...

What will be missing next?
post #46 of 71
Originally Posted by Vadania View Post
The icon looks real bad sitting right next to Apperature, doesn't it? Big blue blob, with a white blob..

 

Er, what? Notification Center doesn't have an application icon. And the icon it does have lacks blue entirely.

 

…they got rid of even the home folder, let alone the Application and Documents folder.

 

None of these things happened.

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post #47 of 71
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Except it is.

Except it doesn't.


Of course it is.

…really?

Is it possible to block moderators? I am tired of your petulant "answers" spamming up the forums, which are otherwise utilized by thoughtful people.
post #48 of 71
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Er, what? Notification Center doesn't have an application icon. And the icon it does have lacks blue entirely.


None of these things happened.

Yes it does have an icon. I'm very sorry, it's called "Messenger". ...and I stand by my previous statement.

Also, yes it did happen. On a newly purchased retina MacBook, the 'user' account is hidden from view, along with the main drive. Also, the documents folder and the application folder is not there on initial startup. Don't post that if you didn't see or experience it.
post #49 of 71
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Er, what? Notification Center doesn't have an application icon. And the icon it does have lacks blue entirely.

 

 

None of these things happened.

I think she means the Messages icon.

 

On the second: yes, none of these things have happened here either.

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post #50 of 71
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Er, what? Notification Center doesn't have an application icon. And the icon it does have lacks blue entirely.


None of these things happened.

O.K. To clarify for some people I will try to talk slower.

The new icon is not for Notifications. I was misunderstood. Sorry. People did not know what I was speaking about because I replied to what a person wrote before me.

There is a new icon for iMessage which is very big and very blue. It also has a very big white blob in it with some dots. Smarter people can not see the icon. It was meant for us. Only us folk use this icon, and only us folk notice our home folder is gone.

Me have to leave now. Me hungry.

Really? C'mon. Don't take me as a complete fool. Maybe a fool here and there, but not completely. Please!
post #51 of 71
Originally Posted by Vadania View Post
Yes it does have an icon. I'm very sorry, it's called "Messenger".

 

I see; no worries. You can always change icons. I find Messages to be better than iChat's.

 

…the 'user' account is hidden from view… 

 

That's not right, though. You're trying to tell me the home folder of the default user is a hidden file, inaccessible? Much less any of the others?


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Condescening post


You quoted someone talking about Notification Center. There's no way anyone could have known you were talking about Messages.

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post #52 of 71
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Er, what? Notification Center doesn't have an application icon. And the icon it does have lacks blue entirely.


None of these things happened.

On a more peer to peer point. (peer to peer doesn't really work in this case because I'm guessing you may be much older than I) Please, get a new Mac with Lion installed Natively. Meaning Snow Leopard was not on it beforehand. Then let me know if I missed something.

The Native "Lion" approach is more toward "Launch Pad". That's where all of your apps are, and there is a folder there (iOS folder) for utilities.

Still don't believe me, go to an Apple store. There must be some there with Lion installed Natively.
post #53 of 71
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I see; no worries. You can always change icons. I find Messages to be better than iChat's.


That's not right, though. You're trying to tell me the home folder of the default user is a hidden file, inaccessible? Much less any of the others?


You quoted someone talking about Notification Center. There's no way anyone could have known you were talking about Messages.

Condesending post? I will admit I may have crossed a small line there, but at least I didn't "punch a baby" with my frustration.

Most of your posts are condescending to the people who like to read this site and post on the forum.
post #54 of 71
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On a more peer to peer point. (peer to peer doesn't really work in this case because I'm guessing you may be much older than I) Please, get a new Mac with Lion installed Natively. Meaning Snow Leopard was not on it beforehand. Then let me know if I missed something.
The Native "Lion" approach is more toward "Launch Pad". That's where all of your apps are, and there is a folder there (iOS folder) for utilities.
Still don't believe me, go to an Apple store. There must be some there with Lion installed Natively.

 

I think if your home folder is missing then it may be a serious issue with your hard drive. (I have had folders disappear with a previous hard drive — prior to ML — and had to restore them from a back up. I don't think what you are seeing is normal behaviour.

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post #55 of 71
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I think if your home folder is missing then it may be a serious issue with your hard drive. (I have had folders disappear with a previous hard drive — prior to ML — and had to restore them from a back up. I don't think what you are seeing is normal behaviour.

No.  It's not missing.  It's just not visible at start up.  

 

Text misses the natural conversation overtones that's supposed to reside in a normal conversation.

 

It is there.  But you actually have to search for it, and then set it up to be seen each time.  If this is really so hard to believe I'll do screen shots.  One for each interval with notes.

 

I have had issues with Macs before.  Many, many issues.  Hard drives 'Un-mounting' when my brother plays Diablo 3 (I think that's right), iTunes librarys corrupting for no apparent reason (only after iTunes Match).  Literally playing your music the whole day for a party, then it just stops after 7 or 9 hours.  You check your computer and iTunes corrupted and Apple wants a message.

 

I'm not as un-intellegent or illiterate as the moderators think.  When the rest of my class graduated high school I graduated college.

 

Yes, I'm young.  But I'm not stupid.  (hopefully this isn't leading into a condescending post...)

 

O.K.  Maybe I received a weird mac.  However you would have to times that by two.  My retina macbook, and my uncles, showed up with the same thing... No "user" 'folder' so to speak.  No "Application" folder and no "Documents" folder.  However, they are all there under "Launch Pad".  You have to set it up specifically to have the same look as you would with Snow Leopard.

 

Again, I could be missing something.  Where they sold 20million Mac's, statistics states there will be problems.

 

Also on my current iMac, which was Snow Leopard born (Lion upgraded, and now Mountain Lion to my display horror), everything is there.  I must be missing something.

 

Thank you for your thoughtful post!

post #56 of 71
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Wha?  You no like zombies???  lol.gif

 

(I think Undead Jobs would STILL run rings around Redmond's regents...)

 

Not contributing anything to the discussion, but that reminds me of Shaun of the Dead, when Bill Nighy become a zombie in the car and Shaun tells his mom that there is nothing of her husband left in the zombie - zombie bill turns off the stereo that is blaring rock!

post #57 of 71
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Not contributing anything to the discussion, but that reminds me of Shaun of the Dead, when Bill Nighy become a zombie in the car and Shaun tells his mom that there is nothing of her husband left in the zombie - zombie bill turns off the stereo that is blaring rock!

Awesome movie!  So many cool quotes from that one.

post #58 of 71
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No.  It's not missing.  It's just not visible at start up.  

 

Text misses the natural conversation overtones that's supposed to reside in a normal conversation.

 

It is there.  But you actually have to search for it, and then set it up to be seen each time.  If this is really so hard to believe I'll do screen shots.  One for each interval with notes.

 

I have had issues with Macs before.  Many, many issues.  Hard drives 'Un-mounting' when my brother plays Diablo 3 (I think that's right), iTunes librarys corrupting for no apparent reason (only after iTunes Match).  Literally playing your music the whole day for a party, then it just stops after 7 or 9 hours.  You check your computer and iTunes corrupted and Apple wants a message.

 

I'm not as un-intellegent or illiterate as the moderators think.  When the rest of my class graduated high school I graduated college.

 

Yes, I'm young.  But I'm not stupid.  (hopefully this isn't leading into a condescending post...)

 

O.K.  Maybe I received a weird mac.  However you would have to times that by two.  My retina macbook, and my uncles, showed up with the same thing... No "user" 'folder' so to speak.  No "Application" folder and no "Documents" folder.  However, they are all there under "Launch Pad".  You have to set it up specifically to have the same look as you would with Snow Leopard.

 

Again, I could be missing something.  Where they sold 20million Mac's, statistics states there will be problems.

 

Also on my current iMac, which was Snow Leopard born (Lion upgraded, and now Mountain Lion to my display horror), everything is there.  I must be missing something.

 

Thank you for your thoughtful post!

 

OK I wasn't assuming that you didn't know what you were talking about. But could you just document the steps you took to make these folders visible again? Where are the checkboxes that need to be checked?

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post #59 of 71
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OK I wasn't assuming that you didn't know what you were talking about. But could you just document the steps you took to make these folders visible again? Where are the checkboxes that need to be checked?

Yes, thank you.  However at this point it will have to wait until morning.  I'll save this spot.

post #60 of 71
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Yes, thank you.  However at this point it will have to wait until morning.  I'll save this spot.

OK so I will note that I just did a search of the system preferences and I could find nothing — so if this had happened to me I would have been screeeeeeewed!

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post #61 of 71
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I actually have a problem with the basic functionality that was supposed to be resolved during beta testing. However, because fans test the software (not developers) and all the release notes vs. specific attention go unnoticed. Those problems do not get weeded out.

 

They are a bunch of problems that get reported and are not solved before the final release is unleashed. The marketing guys have their priorities, developers have others. The one I’m thinking of concerns Mail and it is still opened. Under certain conditions Mail will hang forever, you have to manually send a SIGTERM signal to blow it away.

 

Now, external developers are primarily concerned with testing or improving their own products. The vast majority of them will discover bugs tied to Xcode or parts of the AppKit/CoreFoundation frameworks they use; Others will pass unnoticed. Some users involved in a test program do get pre-release versions and are supposed to report on UI and basic tools. 

post #62 of 71

Sorry, but isn't that picture of GameCenter in the article just about the ugliest thing you could think of based on Ives-era design principles?

 

It reminds me of something that might appear as an addon to a late '90s version of Microsoft Messenger. Are they trying to draw in senior citizens with the faux casino table background and then confuse said seniors with those terribly ugly and meaningless iOS app icons spread out like poker chips?

 

Is the message that you are gambling on quality when you drop $1.99 on an iOS game?

 

Really, is there anything in that picture that is streamlined, user friendly or minimalistic?

 

And how about the rest of Mountain Lion? There are lots of new features that add icons and context sensitive zones and preference pane options, but is anything easier to use or faster? Or is it just more tacked on features that will clutter up the experience and slow down my 2,5 year old MBPro? That said, I love iCloud, and there are definitely other great new features, but how about redesigning OSX to make it faster and more unified instead of tacking more and more onto the corpse of OSX? I thought Snow Leopard was the end of the line  and now there are all sorts of iOS features (many of which really don't make sense when using a mouse) kind of laid on top of SL. Lion slowed down my 2010 Macbook Pro considerably, and it looks like Mountain Lion is even bigger...

post #63 of 71
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No.  It's not missing.  It's just not visible at start up.  

 

 

 

I think I now see how this is meant to work, tell me if I'm wrong. You go to Go in the Finder menu and you open up the folder that you are interested in. Then you can drag that into the left hand list of always visible folders. Yes?

 

I agree that it is retarded not to have the Home Folder there by default. A user new to the Mac is going to find this just bizarre and counterintuitive.

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post #64 of 71
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I think I now see how this is meant to work, tell me if I'm wrong. You go to Go in the Finder menu and you open up the folder that you are interested in. Then you can drag that into the left hand list of always visible folders. Yes?

I agree that it is retarded not to have the Home Folder there by default. A user new to the Mac is going to find this just bizarre and counterintuitive.

Yes. Sounds like you're describing it right. It is very bizarre. Especially for someone who just went from windows to a Mac, and they keep asking "where's my C drive?"
post #65 of 71

The Gizmodo review is actually pretty negative.  They clearly like W8 better.  I do as well, but I can't give Giz any credit because they've been anti-Apple ever since Apple smacked them down for the iPhone 4 leak. 

post #66 of 71
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Originally Posted by Vadania View Post


It doesn't have Siri. Game center is limited because few programs use. OSX is not the same as iOS.
Notification center works as advertised. So really, what's your problem?
I'll send you a check for the &19.99, that your computer will run on for the next year+.
I actually have a problem with the basic functionality that was supposed to be resolved during beta testing. However, because fans test the software (not developers) and all the release notes vs. specific attention go unnoticed. Those problems do not get weeded out.
Enjoy your computer! It's probably a good one.

I'm sorry, being an iPhone user, Siri/Dictation is synonymous to me. My bad.

Well, I don't understand the very slight update, because these functions are given on iOS for free as an update... So to me, I feel ripped off. Just being honest!!!

Kudos to Safari being improved 100%... but again. This is a free App. 

I wonder if we'll get a refund when Google sues Apple for notification centre? lol

post #67 of 71
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Except it is.


Except it doesn't.

 

 

Of course it is.

 

…really?


It feels like the same version to me, with a few new apps. 

Sorry dude, Siri/Dictation is synonymous to me... I know it isn't the same feature. Just wrote the wrong thing. :P

And seriously... Why do we pay $20, when people would get this update for free on iOS?

 

post #68 of 71

So, when you're not into social media and iCloud, what is the value of it? When I read this article, it's (near) zero? Is there any demo around that shows how notification centre works in real? For me it looks like something that takes up valuable screen space and will annoy the hell out of me when I am doing things. It's the same for the Microsoft Windows style pop-ups and windows that started coming to the front of your screen a few versions back to force attention on you. I find that very user unfriendly, even user terrorism and notification centre looks like a more intense version of this terrorism.

post #69 of 71
Originally Posted by Aglaea View Post
…user terrorism…

 

Thank you! I'm going to call UAC "user terrorism" from now on. Notification Center I'm going to call "awesome".

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post #70 of 71
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So, when you're not into social media and iCloud, what is the value of it? When I read this article, it's (near) zero? Is there any demo around that shows how notification centre works in real? For me it looks like something that takes up valuable screen space and will annoy the hell out of me when I am doing things. It's the same for the Microsoft Windows style pop-ups and windows that started coming to the front of your screen a few versions back to force attention on you. I find that very user unfriendly, even user terrorism and notification centre looks like a more intense version of this terrorism.

Apart from your dramatic use of words 'user terrorism' I agree with your sentiment (:
post #71 of 71

Thanks to Ars I see notifications can be tamed to a degree, but it looks like I will turn it off completely. Also, I am unhappy about the increased visual overkill that Apple is putting in its OS. Wasting valuable screen space on leathery stuff after all the minimalisation in previous versions doesn't appeal to me. Make Address book and Calendar more 'tight' instead of being stolen from Pimp Daddy.

 

Good thing about reading the Ars review is that it points out some technical enhancements are made that make it worthwhile to upgrade, as well as that some other things are still lingering, like the file system.

 

Reading Ars I see only minimal changes to Finder and Mail, so I miss what the enhancements are that are mentioned earlier in this thread.

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