Apple OS X Lion pulled as Mountain Lion rolls out - Page 2

If you already downloaded Lion from the MAS, however, it should also be available in your "Purchased" list, ready for download.

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Originally Posted by NasserAE 

If the machine came with Lion from the factory then it will boot into recovery mode over the internet and will download Lion even if the HDD is formatted, new, or has no OS installed.

 

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4718?viewlocale=en_US&locale=en_US

 

If you upgraded to Lion from Snow Leopard and got a new HDD then you can use your Snow Leopard DVD to restore. After you restore to the latest 10.6.8 you can open the Mac App Store, go to purchased, and download Lion again. It is there.

Sorry they say Lion is not available any more from the app store.  So that rules out the 10.6.8 upgrade thing.

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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil 

 

For respect's sake, are you on antipsychotics? I don't want to make fun of you if you have some inherent condition that makes you post absolute nonsense like this:

 

 

Particularly since he said absolutely nothing about the name of the next iPhone. I don't believe Solipsism thinks it will be called iPhone 6 any longer. Nor do I.

He did last year.  I was merely reminding him.

Buh-bye, Lion. Otherwise known as OS X Vista.

You worthless, buggy, laggy, piece of garbage OS, you.

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Originally Posted by tylerk36 

Sorry they say Lion is not available any more from the app store.  So that rules out the 10.6.8 upgrade thing.

It is not available for purchase but if you already bought it then it will show in your purchased section of the Mac App Store. You can download it again if you are not on Mountain Lion.

http://i.imgur.com/PPtz8.png

Anymore imaginary problems you have?

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Originally Posted by NasserAE 

It is not available for purchase but if you already bought it then it will show in your purchased section of the Mac App Store. You can download it again.

http://i.imgur.com/PPtz8.png

Anymore imaginary problems you have?

1. A buyer used Mac with SL on it.
2. That Mac will be upgradable to Lion.
3. That Mac will not be upgradable to ML.
4. That buyer will not consider wanting Lion before the purchase.
5. That buyer will have not have paid $29 for Lion previously.
6. That buyer will be so determined after the fact to get Lion installed on his Mac.
7. That buyer will not consider any other means to getting Lion except for the MAS.
8. And this will be a widespread and rampant issue that will effect a huge number of users.

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Originally Posted by SolipsismX 


I don't get what the big deal is. Lion is EOL and you think there will be a huge rush of people going forward that will say, "Gosh darnit! And I was just about to buy Lion from the Mac App Store." The bottom line is that Mac users don't update their systems the way Windows users do. They never have but the disparity become even greater as Mac OS X dropped considerably in price and then became an online download that you could with a click of the button.
That said, I expect Apple has plenty of the USB flash drive versions and will, in time, put them on their refurbished store for whatever oddball and niche reason someone might want to have Lion at the ass end of 2012 or 2013.
PS: What you need to ask yourself is why you think Apple should so much about so few users after this long since Lion's release.

Should what so much? Care? Think? Well, whatever you had in mind, I don't. It would take no effort on Apple's part to keep Lion in some corner of the App Store. It's not like they won't push any more patches for it, so it saves them nothing to have removed it. All I think they should have done is nothing. Just leave it there. How much effort is that?

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Originally Posted by SolipsismX 


Don't miss his scenario where he suggests...

1. A buyer used Mac with SL on it.
2. That Mac will be upgradable to Lion.
3. That Mac will not be upgradable to ML.
4. That buyer will not consider wanting Lion before the purchase.
5. That buyer will have not have paid $29 for Lion previously.
6. That buyer will be so determined after the fact to get Lion installed on his Mac.
7. That buyer will not consider any other means to getting Lion except for the MAS.
8. And this will be a widespread and rampant issue that will effect a huge number of users.

Simpler scenario:

1. User has a machine from 2008 or earlier.

2. Machine still works, not about to throw it away.

3. User has a real life, does not upgrade OS for the sake of it.

4. Wants to buy an app, app needs Lion, user says OK, I'll get Lion, my machine supports it.

5. Oops, no Lion, though his perfectly working machine supports it.

6. User concludes Apple is stupid, or is trying to force him to buy a new machine.

I am not saying Apple needs to make a special effort to support older but still viable machines. I am not saying they had to make Mountain Lion work with them. I am simply saying, Lion should still be in the App store. It costs nothing to do that. Heck, they'd even pick up some revenue.

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Originally Posted by Alonso Perez 

 

Simpler scenario:

 

1. User has a machine from 2008 or earlier.

2. Machine still works, not about to throw it away.

3. User has a real life, does not upgrade OS for the sake of it.

4. Wants to buy an app, app needs Lion, user says OK, I'll get Lion, my machine supports it.

5. Oops, no Lion, though his perfectly working machine supports it.

6. User concludes Apple is stupid, or is trying to force him to buy a new machine.

 

I am not saying Apple needs to make a special effort to support older but still viable machines. I am not saying they had to make Mountain Lion work with them. I am simply saying, Lion should still be in the App store. It costs nothing to do that. Heck, they'd even pick up some revenue.

In the past Apple used to remove older Mac OS from retail stores when they release new one. Nothing new here except that it is digital now. The scenario you outlines is rare. If someone didn't upgrade to Lion during the last 12 months I doubt he/she will upgrade now. If an app requires Lion then he can call Apple or check on Amazon or ebay and cough up that $69 for Lion on USB.

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Originally Posted by Mr Underhill 

Sods law isn't it? My MacBook Pro (2009) has been a little slow lately due to all the junk on it, so I set about archiving what i need to my NAS to free up some disc space.
Did a fresh Leopard install, erasing the disc completely, followed by the Snow Leopard upgrade and this morning logged into my app store account only to find my Lion purchase has gone.
I can't download my Pages purchase because it needs 10.7 or Numbers for that matter, so here I am writing this whilst downloading Mountain Lion. Luckily for me my hardware will run it and hopefully I will love Mountain Lion as much as I loved Lion. But I can't help thinking I should still be able to download Lion should the need arise, after all, I paid the going rate for it.
The lesson here for me is to back up Mountain Lion to disc. You live and learn.

You need to hold option when you click "Purchased". It should be there if you already purchased it. Make sure you log in with the same Apple ID you used in the original purchase.

http://www.macrumors.com/2012/07/25/how-to-re-download-lion-from-the-mac-app-store/

I think Apple should keep at least one OSX version back available on the App store, especially if they are going to drop support for their hardware so quickly.

My four year old MacBook isn't compatible with ML. I didn't know that until ML came out and I was about to upgrade. Luckily, I had already upgraded to Lion, but Apple gave us no warning that they were going to remove it. When they dropped services like Mobile Me etc, Apple informed their customers well in advance. I can't see why they didn't do the same thing here. 

A good quality laptop, especially an Apple laptop, should be able to last 8 years or more. You can still buy copies of XP on disc. A lot of companies still install it on new machines, even though it came out 11 years ago.

Lots of people probably skipped Lion, as the benefits didn't seem that good at the time, but now they know they will never get anything better, they may well want to upgrade. Even if Apple just had Lion available as a download from their website, they should offer a little support for their customers. It wouldn't be difficult for them to do. 

Yeah, all Apple's spin about our cloud based future without reliance on local storage, seems a little disingenuous now doesn't it.

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Originally Posted by tylerk36 

I feel so sorry for you.  It must be hard thinking the way you do.  No imagination.  

 

Lack of installers for the man who just bought a legacy mac with snow leopard and wants to upgrade to Mountain lion but finds out his used machine is no longer compatible and there for he realizes that Lion is the only os he can upgrade too.  But wait the fucking OS isn't available through the app store where he has purchased all his great Apple Software.  SO he can't purchase Lion through the App store for his great used non Mountain Lion Mac.  How sad.  But wait we have a guy here in this forum that gets the idea all the complainers are making a mole hill into a mountain.  Sad sad man.  He must have bookoo bucks to just buy a new mac and have mountain lion to enjoy unlike the rest of us who love our current macs and cant afford to plunk down 2gs for a new Mac F@cking Pro just to run 10.8.

 

And it will be called the iPhone 5.  OK.  Not iPhone 6.  We don't go from iPhone 4 to 4s then 6.  Although it will be considered a version 6 it will not be called the iPhone 6.  No matter how hard you try to explain it.  Read this and you will become a seer of understanding. iPhone, iPhone 3gs, iPhone 4, iPhone 4s iPhone 5 iPhone, iPhone 3gs, iPhone 4, iPhone 4s iPhone 5 iPhone, iPhone 3gs, iPhone 4, iPhone 4s iPhone 5 iPhone, iPhone 3gs, iPhone 4, iPhone 4s iPhone 5 iPhone, iPhone 3gs, iPhone 4, iPhone 4s iPhone 5 iPhone, iPhone 3gs, iPhone 4, iPhone 4s iPhone 5 iPhone, iPhone 3gs, iPhone 4, iPhone 4s iPhone 5 iPhone, iPhone 3gs, iPhone 4, iPhone 4s iPhone 5 iPhone, iPhone 3gs, iPhone 4, iPhone 4s iPhone 5 iPhone, iPhone 3gs, iPhone 4, iPhone 4s iPhone 5 iPhone, iPhone 3gs, iPhone 4, iPhone 4s iPhone 5 and so on.  Try not to squeeze the iPhone six reasoning out so hard that you end up looking like the one who thinks highly of himself.

You forgot the iPhone 3G.

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Originally Posted by Quadra 610 

 

Why is this unfair?

 

Why didn't you purchase Lion when you had the opportunity?

 

I bought Lion (and basically every other version of Mac OS X that has ever been offered) - and have one system remaining that can be upgrade to Lion but has not yet been due to old software that is not compatible. I do intend to upgrade that system eventually, but it cannot take Mountain Lion. I have kept a copy of the 10.7 Installer - so as long as updates from 10.7.0 to 10.7.x are available somehow (or maybe I should stock up on them now) I should be okay. not as convenient as pointing at the App Store and doing it the official way. 

More disruptive for me has been needing to register a domain name and move my website from .mac to my own server. 

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Originally Posted by JElmore49 

 

OK, my download was most of the way done, then the App Store said the download could not be completed because an error occurred. My guess is, it took a while for it to disappear from all of the local mirrors.

 

I'm sorry, but that's total BS. I have a perfectly good Mac pro sitting here that can never go to 10.8. Hopefully the Recovery Partition will still let me grab the installer? I hope a have a copy zipped up somewhere. I wonder if my 2012 Mac Mini can get the installer since it came with Lion preloaded?

I have had and read other reports of issues with "corrupt" downloads of Apple software - more frequently with larger files and on day of release. 

There are a number of guides on line showing how to reveal the hidden partition containing the Lion recovery partition on your system - http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13727_7-57366205-263/how-to-restore-a-missing-recovery-hd-partition-in-lion/ 

Although I am not sure if the preinstalled version is exactly the same as the retail version. In the past the optical disks that have shipped with new systems were not identical to the version in the retail box. That may still be true of the recovery partition. In other words a downloaded retail copy should work on any supported model - but a preinstalled version may only work on a subset of models. 

I do recommend making a backup copy of the recovery partition or your freshly downloaded 10.8 on separate media - since having a recovery partition on the same disk as the working OS is not good if you have a disk failure. Windows system makers have been doing this for years - and I can't even count the number of times I have had to replace a hard drive for a customer where they did not receive physical media and their recovery partition was lost and they had no backup at all. 

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Originally Posted by Chris_CA 

Just download it again in the App store as one of your purchases.

But don't expect to purchase it.

I'm running Mountain Lion. Lion appears in my Purchases list, but I'm not allowed to download it because I'm running Mountain Lion. This is a pain as I wanted to download a backup copy for a relative who has an old Macbook Pro that isn't ML compatible. The only valid excuse here is if users with Lion will be able to download Lion indefinitely if needed.

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Originally Posted by Quadra 610 

 

Why is this unfair?

 

Why didn't you purchase Lion when you had the opportunity?

 

If you lose you hard copy of the Lion GM, then . . .  OH WELL. 

 

 

Sorry, but "OH WELL" is an unacceptable answer, especially for Apple who have been encouraging everyone to trust their cloud and ditch optical media. Either Lion should be made available indefinitely for users of non-ML compatible Macs, or Apple should prepare one of their carefully planned campaigns to instruct those users to download a backup copy now before it's gone forever. This isn't rocket science. I seriously doubt Apple shares your attitude about this...

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Originally Posted by SolipsismX 


I've never believed the 6th generation iPhone running iOS 6 with an A5 chip with 4th generation cellular tech using the 4th case design would be called an iPhone 6. My stance has been that it will not be called iPhone 5.

The next iPhone will be called "The New iPhone"

Extremely pleased with my decision to update my late-2008 Polycarbonate MacBook from Snow Leopard to Lion on July 23rd.  I got in just under the wire.

I really don't care so much about maintaining access to all the latest features.  I only care about the fact that I will continue to receive security updates, at least, for the next year.  Well worth a $30 investment, I think.  Next year I will not have the option to upgrade to Mountain Lion because it isn't compatible with my hardware, so I suppose I'll have some tough decisions to make about its fate then.  But for now, I'm satisfied.

Now, I'll wait and see how long my 32-bit Snow Leopard systems can tough it out, performing primarily offline duties, until unresolved security flaws force me to make a final decision about what new brand of OS I should transition them to.

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Originally Posted by JElmore49 

The Lion installer was still in my purchases list, and I'm re-downloading it now. This Mac is still on 10.7, maybe that makes a difference?

it would make sense that a machine that has been updated to 10.8 wouldn't see it because you would want to download 10.8 most likely but it is in the purchases. 

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Originally Posted by tylerk36 

Thats bull shit.  There are plenty of Macs out there that need Lion that are not compatible with 10.8.  So what are we supposed to do?  Torrent Lion so we can get a so called pirated copy?  Apple needs to keep Lion available for all the legacy macs.

You had a month to check your compatibility and buy Lion if that was what you would have to stop at. If you didn't, that is your fault not Apple's. 

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Originally Posted by NasserAE 

If the machine came with Lion from the factory then it will boot into recovery mode over the internet and will download Lion even if the HDD is formatted, new, or has no OS installed.

 

And you'd think that someone that wants us to believe that he's in tech support would know this. 

Originally Posted by Realistic 
You forgot the iPhone 3G.

HA HA HA! So THAT'S how he got "iPhone 5"! 

Originally Posted by Conrail 
The next iPhone will be called "The New iPhone"

At this point, part of me hopes they call the 6th iPhone "iPhone 5" and tout it having autostereoscopic 3D as an explanation for the name.

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Originally Posted by Alonso Perez 

 

Simpler scenario:

 

1. User has a machine from 2008 or earlier.

2. Machine still works, not about to throw it away.

3. User has a real life, does not upgrade OS for the sake of it.

4. Wants to buy an app, app needs Lion, user says OK, I'll get Lion, my machine supports it.

5. Oops, no Lion, though his perfectly working machine supports it.

6. User concludes Apple is stupid, or is trying to force him to buy a new machine.

 

I am not saying Apple needs to make a special effort to support older but still viable machines. I am not saying they had to make Mountain Lion work with them. I am simply saying, Lion should still be in the App store. It costs nothing to do that. Heck, they'd even pick up some revenue.

Totally understandable post.

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Originally Posted by charlituna 

 

You had a month to check your compatibility and buy Lion if that was what you would have to stop at.

I just had this happen on Tuesday last week-

Was at a friends house playing cards- he has an iPad 1 and iPhone 4S and an older white iMac.  His iPad wasn't running iOS5 and I told him he needs to update that so all his contact and calendars will sync.  He then said that he had heard about iCloud a little, but never really looked into it or set it up.  I then went to his old 24" white iMac running Leopard- but it was a Core 2 Duo.  I said it could run Lion, gave him the run down explanation- let him borrow my snow leopard disc and then he downloaded Lion and was ecstatic.

Ok- Apple made a whopping $29 off my friend.  How much perceived value was gained as a brand?  No clue- but he is happier now.

Devil's advocate- He saw he couldnt get Lion and then went ahead and upgraded his iMac to one that could run Lion (or ML in this case).  Apple makes a lot.  Now in this particular scenario- this will likely be his last iMac because he said he never uses it except for pictures.

So my point is- while some people think they shouldnt offer it for download, some people do.  Both have valid arguments.  People who cant, at the very least, acknowledge both sides are close-minded and ridiculous.